I could point you in a direction that might answer your questions. From your screen name I suppose you have an analytical mind. Me too, educated nuclear engineer. I have been a student of the Bible since 1993, and have been examining it from an analytical perspective.
Just remember English was not a language when the Bible was being translated. All languages evolve. What the Greek meant in 100 AD might have changed some when it was translated into English.
Due to the Derivative Copyright Law, any translation that could be sold as a copyright to make money had to be significantly different than the 1611.
If I understand correctly, you’re inferring this decision would make it illegal for said woman to jeopardise her own health/wellbeing if it induces a miscarriage? I don’t believe the outcome would be criminal prosecution given a miscarriage isn’t necessarily considered an abortion unless the woman is found to have abortifacients in her system. I could be wrong, however a miscarriage isn’t an abortion.
I can’t believe states would go as far as to police what women eat/take in provided we speak of legal commodities like alcohol and cigarettes.
There is a distinct rise in de-facto illegal abortions mediated by desperation within certain countries that heavily criminalize abortion. Such procedures can irreparably damage the woman’s reproductive organs and/or be fatal if the woman acquires an infection that becomes septic. The rate of abortion within countries with harsh laws aren’t necessarily lower than the rate of abortion within permissive countries.
Look at Iran for example, abortion is only legal provided the mother’s life is in danger, the foetus is deformed and will likely die following birth or the mother will be unable to care for the baby following birth due to phyiscal disability.
The estimated rate of abortion is estimated to be as high as 27/1,000/year women or 0.26 per one women. This is higher than the abortion rate in the states
If we go here we can see the abortion rate in the US is measured to be 20.8. It is also estimated illicit abortion may account for 5% of maternal mortality cases within Iran. My primary concern with the complete criminalization of abortion is the omission of access to abortion in the case of rape or incest, or for when the mothers life is in danger and forcing a birth/c-section may lead to the death of the foetus.
There was recently a case in Malta wherein a woman suffered a partial miscarriage, effectively leading to the foetus being unviable/dead. Due to a complete ban on the procedure this woman was denied access to the abortion even despite having a rotting, dead foetus sitting in her stomach. This isn’t as uncommon as one might think.
A few states had trigger laws put in place for when roe v wade was to be overturned effectively criminalizing abortion no matter the circumstance, regardless of your opinion on abortion I believe it is heinously unethical to prioritise the life of the child… if the child is already dead… Or if the pregnancy is going to kill the mother (and likely the baby too), or in the case of rape or incest.
I’m not losing sleep over this, as I HOPE it will lead to people being more careful before screwing around. At the same time, I’m pro choice… so I don’t agree with the decison. With that being said, it’s up to the states now. People vote in members of state congress who decide whether abortion is or isn’t legal. To a degree, it’s still up to the people and therefore anti-abortion laws passed in a given state are to the fault or benefit of the people who have voted for said members of congress.
I like the black guy protesting in support of the fat white girls. Reminds me of all of the fat white girls protesting in support of George Floyd a couple of years ago. It seems predator has become prey.
I’m interested as to what members of both opposing ideologies wish for in terms of an optimal outcome. I don’t think people are going to have less sex as a result of this outcome. I believe people will either travel out of state for abortions or if they can’t afford that, those who are desperate enough may resort to alternative measures.
My hope would be this stops people from nonchalantly screwing around however if we look at the outcome in Iran, or the rate of children being born out of wedlock in the 40’s and 50’s I don’t believe this will be the case.
People are stupid, they never believe the consequences associated with their actions will afflict them until it’s too late. I hope we don’t see an increase in the degree by which children have to grow up in orphanages or broken homes as a result of this ruling.
The ideal outcome imo would be less abortion, less teen pregnancy, less risky sexual behaviour. HOWEVER, going by the data I know of this won’t be the outcome. Rather laws will be put in place to punish and shame those for their behaviour while simultaneously doing nothing to actually reduce the rates by which people get pregnant through inappropriate or unfortunate circumstances. To decrease the rate of undesirable outcomes regardless of the legal status of abortion we need to somehow alter societal norms and/or make sure scientifically factual sex education is provided to adolescents that provides a detailed representation of the consequences that can ensue provided one isn’t careful. Not scare tactics or propaganda; but a realistic, factual depiction of what can happen.
Sex should be taken seriously, it’s not a joke… it’s not a game… However I am not of the opinion we can’t use sex as a tool for pleasure as opposed to purely procreation. I’m sure most would agree with me. Condoms exist, alternate forms of contraception exist (spermicides, IUD, emergency contraceptive, diaphragm, hormonal contraception, vasectomy, tubal ligation) … use them if you don’t want to get pregnant or get someone pregnant dammit! You wouldn’t believe how many times i’ve heard teenagers say “I just *** inside, I haven’t gotten her pregnant yet therefore I don’t think it’s going to happen” or “I just pull out”.
Sometimes I actually feel as if they should reap what they sow as such a level of stupidity is almost out of this world. At the same time, I don’t believe people like this are exactly fit to be parents… some people are never fit to be parents.
And this is the problem with Americans and politics. There is an immature approach that treats it like a game and when one side wins, they feel the need to mock the other side. It’s not enough to get a favorable decision; they have to make it about feelings. It’s like some rivalry between high schools. This continues the othering of their fellow citizens which politicians need.
I usually refrain from sarcasm and poke-fun posts and keep my cool here. But, as shown, I momentarily lost my discipline, and then after posting that picture, thought, “this is silly,” and then trashed it.
And, you’re right, politics isn’t a game, and for much of history was literally a deadly business.
Are you aware that the women you write about appear to be routine poor-decision makers lacking agency and self-awareness, as if they are compelled to screw up over and over again?
Screwup #1: Let an unaccountable or inappropriate match of a man who can’t provide for children get on top of her or not be aware that she is not in the appropriate life situation for high-investment parenting. And this is done knowing abortion is illegal.
Screwup #2: After #1, get an illegal abortion, knowing it’s a crime but doing it anyway, in which there might be unsafe conditions that might lead to physical problems or death, whether aware of such risks or not, further showing a lack of agency.
Can anyone tell me why any law should be made with such routine screwups in mind?
