Is This the End of Roe v. Wade?

He has a lot of corporate sponsors. I imagine it would be rude of him just to assume their position. Checking with that many people is gonna take some time.

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I mean he seems to back the needs of his people pretty well, from an outside perspective. BBB cancels coal, which is his state’s primary income stream, so he votes against it… makes sense to me (even if this aligns with his corporate sponsors).

Anyone with more knowledge of Manchin can prove me wrong - I don’t follow him closely; just appreciate his vote.

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I’ve seen it. It’s literally one person. And this is the specific example that gets used every time this comes up. AND this isn’t even an American. I think this person is an idiot. But I also think that providing the same tired example over and over again to prove that an entire political party embraces a particular ideal is also idiotic.

But that being said, this is EXACTLY what I’m talking about. 1 person gives a stupid speech that doesn’t represent the left. In return, every conservative media outlet shares the shit out of it, making it LOOK like this is something other than a very, very fringe view.

EDIT: I saw 2jars post asking us to keep this on topic after I wrote this response. I’ll leave this sidetrack here, no need to go back and forth on it in this thread.

I think both sides are guilty of doing this honestly lol.

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I agree. I think using small sample sizes to characterize a group, and even moreso using n=1, is a very poor way to have a political debate. I don’t think most people are either far right OR far left, but most people seem to think whatever they believe is right in the center, and the people on the other side are all radically far left/right. Very frustrating.

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Fine. You can look up all the drag-queen story hours and all of the recent videos of teachers talking about how they discuss sexual identities with their young students. Those aren’t right-wingers.

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=201920200SB145

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The sexualization of children is only tolerated by the left from what I have seen.

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On the political spectrum where is the Catholic church?

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This is the curse that social media has placed on this world.

I was born in 1948. When I was growing up, particularly before the Vietnam War soured, there is absolutely no way that the opinion of 1% of the population would have any influence over anyone. They could gather at city hall, but only come across as a small group of radicals. [I never received any radical opiniated mail in our literal mail box.] Change (or progress as the Liberals would say) was very gradual, yet it actually seemed fairly quick by most.

With social media, a mere 0.01% of the population can have a huge influence with a large percentage of the population. Now change is pushed at a much faster rate. This rapid change, and the perception that more rapid change is necessary, divides the country between two tribes: conservative and liberal, where social media highlights the great gulf between the two and the apparent total lack of common ground.

If I dwell on this long enough, the defeatist in me sees that the genie is out of the bottle and there is no putting her back in the bottle.

Maybe… if both tribes can understand that it’s just 1% (the tail wagging the dog), it might be possible to, at least, close the gulf between the tribes such that they can live civilly one with the other.

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I hate religion too, but they don’t openly defend those that sexualize children and try to make it “normal”.

The right does dumb shit too and I will call it out the same.

Unfortunately, I think that much of the general population has moved apart to be what would a few decades ago be the fringes. I have friends that would fit into what were the fringes 20 years ago on both sides of the aisle.

The key here is “openly”. They did it behind closed doors.

I do hope that they have changed their ways. I think there are good things the Catholic church has done. But they also need to make right their abuse of the past IMO.

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I agree on the Catholic Church.

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If we go by what is the “true Church”, respected by traditional Catholic societies like SSPX, FSSP, and SSPV, it is right wing. If we look at the modern church today, it is a liberal institution.

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The reason SSPX was formed was precisely because of the liberalization that started after the Vatican II counsel.

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If the left leaning media does not report on it, then the left doesn’t believe its happening…the blind leading the blind

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This is now my preferred pronoun.

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Let’s leave judicial review alone, and just reject the idea that the federal government has any right to question the States on ANYTHING that doesn’t clearly and explicitly involve an issue over which control is prohibited to them(or an Amendment can be passed to give the feds control!)-not a “hold this thing this way and squint at it just right on February 29”-way. Or drop judicial review, too.

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I completely agree with you, but that hasn’t been done in a very long time.

The federal government wants more and more power and I don’t think even half of congress even understands the constitution much less wants to abide by it.

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You aren’t a person.