Well considering that A) you already know most of the participants in this forum are anti-abortion, and B) that we are all people who have lived to adulthood and are successful enough in life that we can spend portions of most of our days fucking around on T-Nation, it is pretty silly to think anyone in the population you’re asking would answer ‘yes’. In other words, this survey doesn’t actually address any question in a meaningful way.
also, this.
I had to deal with this possibility. And I would prefer not to go into detail about this, but it was something that we were made aware of as a potential issue. I cannot imagine what either the pain of losing my unborn child or my wife would have been like, but I do know I would have chosen my wife’s life in that situation, had it escalated to that point.
Not necessarily, because I’m not asking about any of our own lives as adults.
I’m asking if anyone thinks their mom would have been better off without the burden of you.
I don’t think my mom would have been, as motherhood was the biggest part of her life by far. Unfortunately I can’t ask her anymore, perhaps she would have led a more satisfying life if she pursued a greater income or more travel. We did struggle financially for most of the 1980s.
Most abortions are done for reasons like that. Truly dire situations like rape babies and health concerns are comparatively rare.
That’s correct. However in weighing this out, I think there should be discussion on whether it is ethical to abort the baby who had nothing to do with the rape and how far along the pregnancy is.
I’m going to add that I believe that you are such a man that is concerned about others’ well-being generally. I don’t think that’s the sentiment of many men in regards to women in the current day. But that’s my personal bias possibly resulting from observing far too many men who placate women for validation and easy sex. Again, I wouldn’t mind having my mind changed.
I’m not American so I’m not familiar with how your constitution fits into this. Are all federal laws unconstitutional? Should everything be left up to the states? Genuinely curious.
I’m sure others will state this better and more comprehensive, but in essence, the Constitution sets limits on the power of Federal Government over the people.
I thought about addressing this originally, I might as well now. For me, this is a ‘defer to the experts’ thing. I think it would take a lot of hubris for anyone in this thread to think they are more qualified to make this judgement with a better understanding of our constitution than our supreme court justices. And I honestly don’t think it’s clear cut. Almost everything that the supreme court has to take on isn’t. That’s why we have some of the most qualified legal minds in the country disagreeing and writing dissenting opinions. The constitution isn’t a perfect document, and it isn’t perfectly instructive. The fact is, Roe V Wade was a 7-2 decision initially (if I remember right), and this new case will likely be 5-4 the other way. That, to me, signals that my opinion on the constitutionality of it is relatively worthless, if even the most qualified people can’t agree. I feel more comfortable with giving my own opinion on whether it’s generally good or bad for society, rather than constitutionality. Just kind of staying in my own lane. As far as I’m aware, @Bauber is the only relatively qualified legal mind in this thread, and I don’t THINK he’s a Con Law expert (could be wrong, I don’t know what classes he took in law school, lol).
Just taking the fetus out isn’t an abortion. That would be a C-section or induced delivery. The point in abortion is that they kill the fetus first.
If they created the situation, maybe. but again, this is non pertinent. they don’t just detach the fetus and deliver it. They slit its’ throat, cut it to pieces, and vacuum it out. And they do this to fetuses that could live on their own.
Rape pregnancies are rare. “for the mothers life” doesn’t really medically exist where a abortion would be necessary over delivery. If we left it legal for rape, would you or the left be OK in banning the other 99.9%?
I don’t think it was required, but they do go into quite a bit of discussion about how “persons” in others contexts of the constitution does not encompass unborn children, for example, discussing qualifications for public office or census-taking
Although it reads the 14th Amendment extremely expansively to include a right of privacy to decide whether to abort a child, the Court in Roe adopted a very narrow construction of the meaning of “persons” to exclude unborn children.
I think this was more justification or propping for a shitty decision without a good constitutionally valid argument.
