When I say trample over others I wasnt referring to the financial aspect of that, I was more referring to the gym aspect. Some of you big strong guys are able to lift rediculous amounts of weight, that you proudly talk about, and walk around looking super pumped, while another kid who is barely hanging on at 95 lbs only wishes he could get out of bed. Does that not bring you a feeling of undeserving guilt ?
[quote]triple-10sets wrote:
When I say trample over others I wasnt referring to the financial aspect of that, I was more referring to the gym aspect. Some of you big strong guys are able to lift rediculous amounts of weight, that you proudly talk about, and walk around looking super pumped, while another kid who is barely hanging on at 95 lbs only wishes he could get out of bed. Does that not bring you a feeling of undeserving guilt ? [/quote]
If your life was consumed by feeling guilty for everyone who was disadvantaged you wouldn’t make any progress. Do people suffer? Hell yes, and you can certainly offer compassion when and where you can, but you shouldn’t let it be an excuse to not go after goals of your own. Quit being silly.
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[quote]triple-10sets wrote:
It almost seems like to succeed in this world , you have to trample over those who have fallen just to get to your goal in a sense. You can sympathize for someone in pain but you cannot worry to long or you will not be able to focus on your peice of the pie. Sounds rather selfish. Any advice for this attitude of despair ? [/quote]
When I say trample over others I wasnt referring to the financial aspect of that, I was more referring to the gym aspect. Some of you big strong guys are able to lift rediculous amounts of weight, that you proudly talk about, and walk around looking super pumped, while another kid who is barely hanging on at 95 lbs only wishes he could get out of bed. Does that not bring you a feeling of undeserving guilt ?
i think you think too much about things that you have no control over. you have control only over you - do what is true in your soul and guilt won’t have a hold on you. you boasted quite a bit in one of your earlier threads - something about being 21 and taking over the world - or something like that - why don’t you take that energy and help another soul out in a meaningful way. will save you carrying more guilt in the long run. guilt will shorten your life and screw your lifting goals.
[quote]triple-10sets wrote:
When I say trample over others I wasnt referring to the financial aspect of that, I was more referring to the gym aspect. Some of you big strong guys are able to lift rediculous amounts of weight, that you proudly talk about, and walk around looking super pumped, while another kid who is barely hanging on at 95 lbs only wishes he could get out of bed. Does that not bring you a feeling of undeserving guilt ? [/quote]
That’s fucking stupid as hell. Did I put the kid in the bed? No. If anything it should be inspiring to become as strong and healthy as possible because you have the privilege of doing so.
Who do you think has a more positive impact on this hypothetical child’s life:
A. The loser who sits around feeling guilty about his health and blessings in life and makes sure to stay weak and poor.
B. The winner who feels blessed for the privileges he has and NOT guilty, who becomes as healthy and wealthy as possible, and then donates shitloads of money to the kid’s hospital and teaches others how to stop feeling so fucking guilty about life and get fit.
You totally have to trample everyone dude. One time I was at the donut shop getting donuts, and this little tumor laden kid wanted the last bearclaw, so you know what I did? When he got it I pushed him down and stoled it, thats what I did. Showed that tumor laden punk whats what. It tasted kinda funky though so I threw it away, and got the hell outta there.
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
orion wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
However the line gets blurred quite a lot. I consider that anyone who is earning stupid amounts of money, and not giving much back, to be guilty of taking advantage, even if their product or service does have some benefit to the end user.
Bushy
That point is nonsense.
A product has not some benefit to the end user, but more than he paid for it.
So by buying it, he is instantly better off.
In other words, someone making stupid amounts of money at the marketplace has not only created jobs and paid taxes, he has also helped people enormously.
Measured in dollars he must have helped for more than 1 million to even earn one. Much, much more.
Which also means that the more money someone makes by selling goods and services the more he benefits mankind.
Often even more than nurses, fire fighters and other non-“greedy” “heroes”.
But that is only true if you assume that what the person is buying is not some piece of frivolous, pointless, unneeded crap. And to my mind a hell of a lot of the stuff we buy is crap. And that’s down to one thing: skillful marketing.
I think there are only a relatively few number of things that people try to persuade us to buy that could be said to “help people enormously”.
There are too many people growing excessively rich, punting crap to gullible consumers.
I mean come on. One man, no matter how successful, influential, entrepreneuristic, whatever, needs only so much bloody money. Put something back into the communities that made you so rich, for fuck sake.
If you want to try and convince me that for example, the top execs at ronald mcdonald are in any way more deserving of my respect and admiration for a single nurse, fireman or other hero, you are pissing in the wind my friend.
But by all means tell me what you think.
Bushy[/quote]
That is basically the standard argument that I expected.
It is wrong though because you assume that everyone shares your values and priorities.
If someone buys something that is crappy to you it obviously has value to him, and more value than he was willing to pay for it.
So, this persons craptastic universe just became a little more crappy and obviously that is just the way this particular consumer likes it. Whether you understand or approve of someone else’s happiness is really not the point.
Then, a producer does not help one person enormously, but a lot of people just a little bit. That adds up though. After having produced 10000 tooth brushes you might as well have saved one persons life. What if you produce 200 million and become rich in the process?
Finally, if you respect fire fighters more than business executives is up to you, but that does not change the fact that the pure greed of merchants, farmers and captains of industry does more good than all altruism combined.
They do not need to give back, from their customers point of view they already gave more than they received.
Not that I mind if someone is generous with his money but I mind the notion that those who made money serving other people successfully should somehow make less money (hurting all the people they could have helped) and should even be punished for it trough any sort of redistribution program.
If you think people get cancer due to moral implications, you’re sorely mistaken. You might want to watch what you say as you sound like a really asshole.
If you can prove that God has a hand in your fate, be my guest. If you call yourself a Christian (I have no idea what you are), check out what the bible has stated on fate (or lack there of). Heck, check out what most religions state about fate.
Seems to me like you have some growing up to do.
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
You know what, you are so far out of line with my views that I’m not even going to bother.
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All the kindness and charity in the world will not counteract the laws of economics. This does not mean one need not be charitable, etc.