Is Liberalism Genetic?

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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One thing I read on this thread that made sense to me is the dislike of labels. I say I am a progressive and instantly I get tarred with the brush of welfare-liberalism and admittedly if someone says they are conservative I instantly have a Pavlovian response and assume, until proved otherwise, that you are probably extremely ignorant, deeply and dogmatically religious and want to move back into some gay-free, sex-free, '50’s bible belt utopia that never existed.

So if anyone is still reading this what does it mean to YOU to be Conservative, Progressive, etc… what are your politics in an ideal world?

I want a social safety net for all. I want it to make sure no one starves, no one dies of a tooth ache, no old people in bread lines, no mentally ill walking the street without treatment. I do NOT want it to be welfare in the sense of “I don’t need to get a job…pass me my lucky’s and my 40 of malt liquor”.

I want realistic guidelines for safety, health, the environment, education etc… set by the federal government and than I’d like each state to figure out how to implement plans to fulfill those minimum guidelines.

I’d like the US to get out of policing the world. It isn’t our job. We should take part in NATO/UN peace keeping etc… but we should not invade other nations unless directly attacked. ( I don’t have issue with the US going into Afghanistan, I have issues with attacking Iraq)

Lastly, and most importantly I want a secular government. The people who take part in the government can be whatever religion they wish. I’ve never attacked a religious person, nor would I. The government itself has to be a place where people of all beliefs can come together and work.

I’d especially like to know what MaximusB and the others I exchanged shots with think. I rather exchange ideas and knowledge than sharp words and insults.

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[quote]TheTick42 wrote:
One thing I read on this thread that made sense to me is the dislike of labels. I say I am a progressive and instantly I get tarred with the brush of welfare-liberalism and admittedly if someone says they are conservative I instantly have a Pavlovian response and assume, until proved otherwise, that you are probably extremely ignorant, deeply and dogmatically religious and want to move back into some gay-free, sex-free, '50’s bible belt utopia that never existed.[/quote]

Kinda…except I want gay-sex-free, lots of married sex, popping out babies like rabbits inside marriage, lots of wine, lots of food, 2011 mountain ranch utopia.

I’m decisively liberal…because I am staunchly conservative. I don’t have a slogan, because being a conservative is more than that. However, if you wish to study up on Burke, John Adams, Alex Hamilton, Federalist and old Republicans, Old Whigs, Fisher Ames, Marshall, Coleridge, Randolph & Calhoun, Macualay, Cooper, Tocqueville, John Quincy Adams, Brownson, Nathaniel Hawthorne, Disraeli, Tories, Newman, Pope Benedict XVI & John Paul the Great, and many more you can get a grasp of what I see as the politics in my ideal world. I want tradition and reform, I want freedom from Aristocrats and “Royal Family.” But, I don’t want “absolute” freedom. Kinda of expansive.

A good government has to have a strong traditional religion. India has Hinduism/Islam, Europe has Catholicism, Israel has Judaism, Latin America Catholicism, South East Asia has Catholicism/Islam, Africa has Catholicism/Islam. Not saying that the government has to be run by the Church, but ignoring that the government is ordained by G-d is a wrong move.

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[quote]TheTick42 wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Tick,

You spent time in California right? The most liberal state in the Union I would argue. We have…

  1. The highest taxes in almost every category.

  2. The 3rd highest unemployment rate in the country.

  3. Ranked 49th out of 50 in student performance, yet pay the highest in teacher salaries in the union.

  4. 35% of the welfare IN THE ENTIRE COUNTRY, yet only 12% of the country’s population.

  5. One of the highest state college tuition rates (which is being increased yet again), yet one of the highest dropout rates in the country.

  6. The highest illegal alien population in the country.

  7. A tax bracket that qualifies you as being “rich” when making $47k/year or more, that means that you are placed in the highest tax bracket.

With all that shit right there^^^, where is all this money going? What has been produced from such a socialistic state? We pour (should I say waste) more money into worthless bottomless hole programs that produce nothing, because of Liberal parasites.

How is that Liberalism working for you? How did Greece turn out ? Cali is on the way, from policies that you encourage.

Great job, you took the state with the 5th largest economy IN THE WORLD, and turned it into a 3rd world shit hole. Yay Liberalism. Yay Fucking Democruds, spend the fuck out of money we don’t have. Tax the shit out of wealth makers, to the point where they leave to more tax friendly states.

And you call your ideology “common sense?” Bitch please. [/quote]

Firstly, I’d ask for sources for those stats. Since last I heard Mississippi, Alabama and Texas were all at the bottom for education I don’t think I believe California is suddenly the worst!

Secondly, I think you shouldn’t confuse progressiveness with being a Democrat. The Dem’s are idiots and the Republican’s are inflexible ideologues who want to shrink government just small enough to fit in our bedrooms and hospital rooms. Neither are worth a damn.

Thirdly, my post said I was born in Iowa, grew up in CA and lived in WI, AZ, Europe, and Canada. I moved out of CA when I was 18, never voted in a CA election. How exactly is the current state of the State of California a reflection on my voting record?[/quote]

Half our kids drop out, many of whom don’t even speak English. If you saw the enrollment in the ESL programs you wouldn’t be surprised.

When is the last time you heard the government do anything responsible with money? How much money do we lose to fraud and waste because of government greed and bullshit? There is nothing Progressive about stealing taxpayer money and using it for the same old Ponzi schemes we have seen over the years. Progressive = a new name for old money grabs.

Your ideology seems to be that of a Berkeley person, one who lives in a fantasy land where money falls from the sky, where government can and will provide all for it’s people.

Dude, they are all liars, thieves, and whores. ALL OF THEM, both parties. Dems are math illiterate, Repugs are RINOS at best, we don’t have politicians who care about the people.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:
we don’t have politicians who care about the people. [/quote]

And we haven’t for a very long time.

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They do care about the people. They’ve given Americans exactly what they’ve asked for. And will continue to do so until it all hits a wall of unamanageable debt. They’re the overprotective parent who can’t say no to their little darlings. Well, maybe spoiled brats. Americans are the problem, period. You’ll need to ‘elect’ a new populace, first.

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Now I see the problem, that whole over protective parent thing.

You want to know how I learned to swim? My dad threw me into the deep end of a pool as a kid.

The End.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Now I see the problem, that whole over protective parent thing.

You want to know how I learned to swim? My dad threw me into the deep end of a pool as a kid.

The End. [/quote]

They have deep ends in Italy? I just thought it was ponds, lakes, and rivers over there?