Sure. It’s always the other guy’s fault. Yeah, that’s it.
Btw, I have made no posts here wrt “tribalism”. At least accuse me of something I did.
Like calling you a name.
Idiot.
I would accuse you of something if I could remember something you actually posted. Are you new here? Or just forgettable? I tend to remember posters who are relevant, like you are aware of me, but I just don’t recall anything about you that has made enough of an impression to make you even exist.
Lotta verbiage to excrete on someone so forgettable.
Idiot.
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History knows. They wouldn’t have gotten anything as German plans for post war Poland were very detailed, thanks to efforts of the Reich Office for Eastern Territories approved by Hitler himself.
In short, slow death by planned starvation and forced labor. The plan was to reduce the Polish population by 80% while the remaining 20% would be used as semi literate manual laborers employed as indentured slaves on German settler farms.
Any Polish state was anathema to the Germans and its territory was slated for colonization by ethnic Germans. Again, since the Poles were to be slowly exterminated the Nazis believed to have solved the Polish issue.
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I’m sure you’re used to it.
I think that for many people the focus is on what happened to the Jews during the Holocaust, and obviously it is something we shouldn’t diminish let alone forget, but the Nazis wanted to wipe out a lot of different peoples. The first people the Nazis started exterminating were fellow Germans who were deemed unfit. They even sterilized biracial Germans (Germans who had a black parent).
Poland was getting fucked over one way or another, it’s not like one side was bad and the other was good. Stalin and Hitler are two people you don’t want taking over your country. Poland would probably be much better off now if none of that stuff ever happened.
As for Poland being a great country, I haven’t been there lately but from what I hear the cost of living is high, jobs are scarce, and wages are low. It’s better than it was back in the communist days but the standard of living for the average person is significantly lower than in North America.
In other words, I’m not going to waste my time arguing with you because I already know what a waste of time it is to communicate with you.
Oh yeah? Well I know you are but what am I?
No, you won’t “waste” your time because I simply presented some facts that upset you since they don’t fit your narrative. In fact, I thought you were joking with the commie apologist post, hence my Mongol apologist reply, but I guess I overestimated your intellect and sense of humor. I mean, it takes a pretty dim-witted tribalist to somehow infer I was defending communism.
I’ll answer that once I know you are in your safe-space.
My safe space is between your mother’s legs
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I’ve heard the opposite, that Germans, Ukrainians, and Chinese are going their for the availability of jobs.
I’m not sure about Poland, but I occassionally work with Germans located in Vietnam. The pay for expats in the relatively small business districts in the major cities is a lot more than for the locals. The rest of the country does not earn much compared to developed countries.
For Chinese living in China, their interstate mobility is limited by the Hukou system.
The difference in pay and job opportunities in 1st, 2nd and 3rd tier cities are very large so a lot of them prefer to go abroad.
Around two million Ukrainians work in Poland as well as many Greeks and Spaniards, even Germans. The GDP and GDP per capita tripled from the fall of communism due to three decades of non-stop growth and recently became the first ex-communist country to be declared “developed” alongside the US, UK, Germany and other Western nations.
They have a booming IT industry (Witcher 3 anyone?) as well as a strong construction sector and many middle class Poles who worked abroad are coming home because the wage/cost of living ratio is favorable for white collar jobs. Due to Polish emigration to UK and Germany there’s an acute labor shortage hence the Ukrainians who fill lower paying service jobs.
However this economic success story has a downside - the government is pushing quasi-fascist policies and openly flirting with right wing extremists. There is a formidable array of right wing media outlets (Radio Marya for example) who are pushing their agenda onto their elderly listeners.
There’s also a very bizarre story about North Korean slave laborers in Poland, which is well worth viewing:
Now that’s a post to be proud of.
I’ve avoided this thread and won’t really read it because I’m sure it’s full of aids.
That said I’m white and ok. Let me know if that changes anything for you OP
No one asked The Whites!
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There are Ukrainian refugees in Poland. I never really heard of Germans moving there, Germany has the strongest economy in Europe at the moment. Anyway, I was saying in comparison to North America there is a lack of jobs and wages are low, there are certainly much worse places out there. It just appears that there isn’t a lot of opportunity in Poland, and that is why so many young people leave.
Um…they aren’t refugees. The Polish government loves to claim “we took 2 million refugees from Ukraine” but it’s not true - they’re migrant workers doing jobs Poles don’t want to do any more. Cashiers, waiting staff…
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I can’t personally verify anything since I haven’t been to Poland lately, but my mom goes back every year. Apparently there are a bunch of Ukrainian refugees that came after the conflict over Crimea started. There have also been ethnic Ukrainians in Poland for a very long time, and Ukraine isn’t a very prosperous country so I don’t doubt some of them would come to Poland looking for work. But simply looking at statistics and saying things are good over there only shows part of the picture, rich people and owners of successful businesses are doing well but there are plenty of university graduates who are either unemployed or stuck in menial jobs. The government recently announced a plan to help families with children because the birth rate is so low, largely due to the difficulty of making a decent living even without children to support.
Yes, but they’re migrant workers, not refugees. Individuals who are awarded refugee status are housed and financed by the host nation which is not the case. It’s disingenuous for the Polish government to claim that they’re hosting “refugees” when they’ve accorded refugee status to only 16 (sixteen) Ukrainians. It’s the old conundrum - economic growth or ethnic homogeneity. You can only choose one.
It’s a symptom of a wider worldwide phenomenon, urban centers are becoming even more dominant economically while the countryside is stagnating with fewer and fewer job opportunities.
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Is this for real?
I saw a video on BBC about Bulgaria, over there a lot of the small towns only have senior citizens living there and many houses are abandoned. All the younger people either moved to the city or left the country. Poland isn’t there yet, but looking at Bulgaria gives some incentive to change things now before it’s too late.