[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
A few quick examples:
-He wants to spend money on public investment (primarily on infrastructure and alternative fuels)
-he has an ambitious and expensive plan for near-universal health-care coverage
-he promises tax cuts for working Americans
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You get on here to jump on someone for being close minded, and then you post a bunch of “Barry is a God” bullshit?
You are pathetic. Hilariously blind to the real world, but pathetic none the less.
In case you two didn’t notice, I copied that from the Economist (OMG, what a liberal rag!).
Rainjack, how are listing his proposed policies “godlike bullshit”? Just wondering.
I can’t honestly remember the last time I’ve read or heard anything new on any of this. I mean like years and years and years. Every new story is a replay of old arguments in a superficially updated wrapper.
For those who still care or wonder look it up. Obama knew his brother was there at the very least since 2006 and the Vanity Fair interview is very recent. I do not believe Obama OWES this guy anything, but if anybody takes him seriously he should think he does.
However, his specie of leftist ideologue is not in any way about individuals helping individuals. For God’s sake that would ruin everything. It has to be the benevolent state, financed by guess who, under the wise and merciful oversight of people like himself that dispenses social and monetary justice to all.
Good grief, if he were to help out his brother that would be a microcosmic demonstration of the REAL American way and a horrible example for all his sheep.
Yeah! It’s not like Obama has made speeches on the need for communities to pull themselves up or criticized absent fathers or talked about individual responsibility or worked as a community organizer! (oh wait, maybe he did do all those things…)
Don’t let common sense or facts get in the way when you use that paintbrush Tiribulus. Just keep up the extremist views. Calling someone Hitler (oops, I mean Stalin) is much easier than actually independently thinking about things, right?
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
Yeah! It’s not like Obama has made speeches on the need for communities to pull themselves up or criticized absent fathers or talked about individual responsibility or worked as a community organizer! (oh wait, maybe he did do all those things…)
Don’t let common sense or facts get in the way when you use that paintbrush Tiribulus. Just keep up the extremist views. Calling someone Hitler (oops, I mean Stalin) is much easier than actually independently thinking about things, right?
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What would I do without brilliant analysts like you to point out the the profundity of my errors.
He’s talked alright.
BTW, I don’t know if you’re aware of this, but Hitler was not around for the cold war and Stalin died well within it’s first decade. They were also mortal enemies.
The cold war was one of ideas. The individual figureheads are of secondary relevance.
The socio economic policies that have been espoused by liberal democrats for quite a while and have now been brought into sharp relief in the candidacy of Barack Obama are eons away from what the founders of this country had in mind and are right on the doorstep of the ones we did indeed fight the cold war of ideas to defeat.
You can jump and down and curse my name if you want to, but that is just the way it is.
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
In case you two didn’t notice, I copied that from the Economist (OMG, what a liberal rag!).
Rainjack, how are listing his proposed policies “godlike bullshit”? Just wondering.
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Keep wondering.
I just love it when liberals call everyone who doesn’t agree with them “closed minded”, or “racist”, or “bigots”.
You have offered nothing that has not been offered up before.
This is going to be an ugly election. Can’t wait.
I don’t think Obama is stupid, a fool, hates his country,or anything negative about his character, just that he is wrong. Promise everything to the middle class.
And tax cuts? How is he expecting to pay for all the health care for everyone? He’ll raise taxes.
Targeting the rich is just fodder to rally those who believe success and wealth are evil, that someone with more got some gift or acquired their wealth illegally, that they are owed wealth. The rich pay more than their fair share of taxes.
OK, another point…If Obama were elected, wouldn’t this guys safety be in jeopardy?
I will freely admit to being close minded in the sense that I do not see several conflicting ways of approaching the weighty issues of life as being equally valid or worthy of consideration.
Some are right and some are wrong. Some very wrong and some plainly evil.
I decided a long time ago which I view as right and by unavoidable implication the rest are wrong.
Right and wrong. We used to have those here. Back in the days before school shootings, endlessly abducted and murdered women and children, entire districts of our cities controlled by youth gangs, you know the bad ol days.
The days when there was an American consensus of right and wrong agreed upon by the preponderance of it’s free citizens with only the broadest of legislative definition required.
Now, nobody’s really responsible for anything, but everybody is. Nobody and nothing is REALLY wrong except of course people who actually believe something is. I
t was a grand experiment folks and it worked, albeit imperfectly, for a couple hundred years, but this society was designed to function when most people believed the same things were right and the same things were wrong and did the right things because they were the right things to do.
Now, with government growing by leaps and bounds, tens of thousands of laws and more all the time, unless money is all you care about, we have never been in worse shape.
Oh well, now you know why I try very hard not to get into these discussions.
[quote]pookie wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Do you realize that sending the guy $20 would almost double his annual income?
I thought you were against welfare and hand-outs.
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I know you know the difference between forcing someone to pay (altruism) and being helpful (benevolence). Did I say he HAS to send him money?
Change the bong water, bro!
[quote]jp_dubya wrote:
This is going to be an ugly election. Can’t wait.
I don’t think Obama is stupid, a fool, hates his country,or anything negative about his character, just that he is wrong. Promise everything to the middle class. And tax cuts?
How is he expecting to pay for all the health care for everyone? He’ll raise taxes.
Targeting the rich is just fodder to rally those who believe success and wealth are evil, that someone with more got some gift or acquired their wealth illegally, that they are owed wealth. The rich pay more than their fair share of taxes. [/quote]
He can’t do any of those things. We’re already 10 trillion in debt, with an almost $500 billion dollar deficit this year alone. Unless he plans on a massive inflation with price controls, it can’t happen.
Our Presidency is slowly becoming like the office of Roman Caesar, in the late 5th century — irrelevant. Soon no one will want the job…a worthless currency and a collapsing economy.
[quote]jp_dubya wrote:
This is going to be an ugly election. Can’t wait.
I don’t think Obama is stupid, a fool, hates his country,or anything negative about his character, >>>[/quote]
I don’t think Obama knows what his country IS. He looked a lot more comfortable in Europe than he did in Rick Warren’s church.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
I will freely admit to being close minded in the sense that I do not see several conflicting ways of approaching the weighty issues of life as being equally valid or worthy of consideration.
Some are right and some are wrong. Some very wrong and some plainly evil.
I decided a long time ago which I view as right and by unavoidable implication the rest are wrong.
Right and wrong. We used to have those here. Back in the days before school shootings, endlessly abducted and murdered women and children, entire districts of our cities controlled by youth gangs, you know the bad ol days.
The days when there was an American consensus of right and wrong agreed upon by the preponderance of it’s free citizens with only the broadest of legislative definition required.
Now, nobody’s really responsible for anything, but everybody is. Nobody and nothing is REALLY wrong except of course people who actually believe something is. I
t was a grand experiment folks and it worked, albeit imperfectly, for a couple hundred years, but this society was designed to function when most people believed the same things were right and the same things were wrong and did the right things because they were the right things to do.
Now, with government growing by leaps and bounds, tens of thousands of laws and more all the time, unless money is all you care about, we have never been in worse shape.
Oh well, now you know why I try very hard not to get into these discussions.[/quote]
Ms. Rand, why do looters exist?
[quote]rainjack wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
You’re a riot. It sounds like you actually believe the BS coming out of your keyboard.
Yes yes, Bush is Hitler. Oh no, wait, that’s the other side. To agree with you I have to say Obama is Stalin, right?
I’m pretty sure Tiribulus has already told once that he don’t really give a shit what you think.
And why should he?
Does it make you feel like a big boy to be so cool? I’d probably try to act like a big boy if I were a DC welfare baby like you as well.
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Hey rainjack, do you have a post saved on your computer called the “I don’t care what you think because you are a sissy/pussy/foreigner post”? You seem to pull it out on every thread.
Here’s some news, no-one cares what you think because you are a sissy boy, estrogen filled, pussy moron who doesn’t know his head from his arse.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
thunderbolt23 wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
Why would Americans try to defeat someone with views similar to FDR and Truman?
Who exactly are you talking about that has the above views?
I’m not a fan of FDR, but he would be appalled that someone would attempt to attribute any, but the very broadest of similarities between his views and Obama,s.
JFK for all his faults would weep… bitterly, at what has become of his party.
Obama is an undiluted abomination of what this nation was founded to be. I will not rescind or retreat.
He is an enemy of the principles the founding fathers of the United States of America put in place and the fact of his candidacy is a million times more perilous for this county’s future than Osama Bin Laden could ever be. I know exactly what that means and don’t anybody waste your breath trying to tell me otherwise. Again, history,s cold pages will record the truth.
If not this guy then somebody else or rather a series of somebody else,s. The people of this country are losing their way and the college age generation now will be the end of anything like the country we’ve known unless there is a drastic awakening of which I am not very hopeful.
America is not a slab of land where anybody who lives there is an American. America is a set of principles. Principles set down over 200 years ago by some great, albeit very flawed men. Principles that work for anybody of any race if they will participate.
Obama does not believe in those principles. He believes in the principles of our enemies who are praying that we continue to voluntarily do to ourselves what they have been unsuccessful at accomplishing.
One more time, history,s cold undeniable pages will record the truth.[/quote]
Is there a prize for the longest post without actually saying anything? If there is you’re winning it. T-mag’s cold undeniable pages are recording the truth!
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
I know you know the difference between forcing someone to pay (altruism) and being helpful (benevolence). Did I say he HAS to send him money?[/quote]
If your altruism involves being forced to do anything, you’re doing it wrong.
Wow, look at the hip high school teacher! Proficient with all the colloquial vernacular of the drug culture.
“Hey dud! You got your tetrahydrocannabinol in my peanut butter!”
[quote]rainjack wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
In case you two didn’t notice, I copied that from the Economist (OMG, what a liberal rag!).
Rainjack, how are listing his proposed policies “godlike bullshit”? Just wondering.
Keep wondering.
I just love it when liberals call everyone who doesn’t agree with them “closed minded”, or “racist”, or “bigots”.
You have offered nothing that has not been offered up before.
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I love when right wingers can’t even recognize an impartial source from typical banter. Throw in some name calling and random other insults, and you’ve got a receipt for some mindless conversation.
Smart guy, if someone starts a conversation with [quote]don’t anybody waste your breath trying to tell me otherwise[/quote] does that make them closed minded? No don’t answer that, throw insults and mindlessness instead, ready, go.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Oh well, now you know why I try very hard not to get into these discussions.[/quote]
You never got into the conversation. Period. You spouted some mindlessness and capped it off with [quote]don’t anybody waste your breath trying to tell me otherwise[/quote].
That you continue to spout ill-thought-out BS is not surprising. Why don’t you give us another long post proving without a doubt that you’re incapable of nuanced thought or a discussion of policy or issues. It suits you well.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
thunderbolt23 wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
Why would Americans try to defeat someone with views similar to FDR and Truman?
Who exactly are you talking about that has the above views?
I’m not a fan of FDR, but he would be appalled that someone would attempt to attribute any, but the very broadest of similarities between his views and Obama,s.
JFK for all his faults would weep… bitterly, at what has become of his party.
Obama is an undiluted abomination of what this nation was founded to be. I will not rescind or retreat. He is an enemy of the principles the founding fathers of the United States of America put in place and the fact of his candidacy is a million times more perilous for this county’s future than Osama Bin Laden could ever be. I know exactly what that means and don’t anybody waste your breath trying to tell me otherwise. Again, history,s cold pages will record the truth.
If not this guy then somebody else or rather a series of somebody else,s. The people of this country are losing their way and the college age generation now will be the end of anything like the country we’ve known unless there is a drastic awakening of which I am not very hopeful.
America is not a slab of land where anybody who lives there is an American. America is a set of principles. Principles set down over 200 years ago by some great, albeit very flawed men. Principles that work for anybody of any race if they will participate. Obama does not believe in those principles. He believes in the principles of our enemies who are praying that we continue to voluntarily do to ourselves what they have been unsuccessful at accomplishing.
One more time, history,s cold undeniable pages will record the truth.[/quote]
Oh, please you can’t be this stupid, Obama is to the right of quite a few of the founding fathers ever heard of Thomas Paine. It is sad that some people think Obama is socialist, the lack of education is brutal on this forum.
[quote]jp_dubya wrote:
This is going to be an ugly election. Can’t wait.
I don’t think Obama is stupid, a fool, hates his country,or anything negative about his character, just that he is wrong. Promise everything to the middle class.
And tax cuts? How is he expecting to pay for all the health care for everyone? He’ll raise taxes.
Targeting the rich is just fodder to rally those who believe success and wealth are evil, that someone with more got some gift or acquired their wealth illegally, that they are owed wealth. The rich pay more than their fair share of taxes. [/quote]
His ideas of a tax cut are a joke. He wants the middle class to pay slightly less income tax than the McCain plan but he will make it up with carbon taxes and various other schemes.