Iran at War With US

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]Gkhan wrote:
I have shown that they influenced the rebels in Afghanistan who were trying to topple the pre-9-11 Taliban. [/quote]

You have shown squat!

In the real world, just because you claim something doesn’t make it true. You need to back that up with credible sources.

Provide proof of Iran raiding Afghanistan and then we’ll tackle that point…

[quote]Proof of Iran influence in South America:

“The prosecutors believe Barakat, who is on the run after an international warrant was issued against him last month, is a major player in the 1992 bombing of the Israeli Embassy in Buenos Aires and in the 1994 bombing of the Jewish Community Center in the Argentine capital.”

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/americas/11/07/inv.terror.south/[/quote]

So that’s what you call proof of Iranian terrorism in South America? Note how the articles fails to name the source. That’s not what I’d call proof.

First, it’s an allegation. Secondly, and assuming we can verify the allegation, it’s negligible compared to what the US did in the continent.

I’m not going into a history lesson here, but let’s say that a couple of unwarranted accusations about bombings are NOTHING compared to the many toppled regimes, backed dictators, and military interventions of the US in S.A.

No, it’s not.

But neither is occupying Lebanon.

[quote]There were thirteen car bombings in Lebanon between the years 1981 and 1985, all the result of Iranian Hezbollah terrorists:

So just because they oppose the US and Israel, these guys are a-ok? [/quote]

Hezbollah is a terrorist organization in the eyes of the US, Israel and a couple of other countries. For the rest of the world, and rightly so, it’s a grassroots movement created to resist the Israeli occupation. In case you’re unaware, Hezbollah was voted into the government by the Lebanese people.

Doesn’t legitimize the car bombings but it sure blows your “terrorist” organization label.

Contrast with the Contras who is a terrorist organization in the eyes of the whole world and whom the US has been almost overtly arming and financing. Guess how the US got the money to finance the Contras?

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US forces have killed two gunmen and discovered a large amount of Iranian currency and bomb-making materials in a raid on the Baghdad Shiite neighbourhood of Sadr City on Wednesday.

US troops searched 11 buildings during the raid in search of a cell involved in importing weapons from Iran into Baghdad and southeastern Iraq.

“As they continued to search the buildings, coalition forces found a large quantity of Iranian money, more than 6,000 dollars in US money and improvised explosive device-making materials,” said the statement.

During the search US forces came under attack from four gunmen and confirmed killing two of them. Washington has repeatedly accused Iran of funding armed groups in Iraq and trying to distabilise the country, a charge it has denied.

On May 28, the US and Iranian ambassadors to Iraq will meet to discuss their respective policies in the war torn country.

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http://www.jamestown.org/terrorism/news/article.php?articleid=2370239

article about Iranian involvement in Afghanistan. If it wasn’t true, why did you reply in a post that it was true? You replied “How’s that a bad thing?” Well, if this did not happen, why the reply?

Here is yet another article about Hezbollah in South America:

Who cares if Hezbollah have a political wing? So does Hamas, PLO, Sadr’s militia, and the IRA. Doesn’t make them any less terrorists does it?

But all of those groups are ok, because they are against the US and Israel, while the Contras, also a terrorist group, is evil because the US backed it?

As far as Lebanon’s 1980’s Israeli occupation and Hezbollah’s constant use of terrorism against US targets and peacekeepers goes…2 wrongs do not make a right.

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How did the US get the money to fund the contras?

By selling arms to Iran.

Stupid move.

Maybe if we’d played our cards right, Saddam would have crushed Iran once and for all. Then he’d be a dictator in control of all the oil and you’d bitch because we didn’t stop him.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:

US forces have killed two gunmen and discovered a large amount of Iranian currency and bomb-making materials in a raid on the Baghdad Shiite neighbourhood of Sadr City on Wednesday.
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Iranians accuse you of terrorism in Iraq as well.

http://fe53.news.sp1.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070504/wl_mideast_afp/iraqconferenceiranusmottaki_070504104400

There’s no need to go into the US state-sponsored terrorism aimed at Tehran. It should be common knowledge by now.

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[quote]Gkhan wrote:
http://www.jamestown.org/terrorism/news/article.php?articleid=2370239

article about Iranian involvement in Afghanistan. If it wasn’t true, why did you reply in a post that it was true? You replied “How’s that a bad thing?” Well, if this did not happen, why the reply? [/quote]

I was thinking of Kazakhstan, but figured that you guys in the US don’t differentiate between it and Afghanistan.

Sorry about the derogatory remark, but a few weeks back a Kazakh of my friends was introduced to an American chick and her response was an to yell an arrogant “Where the hell is that?”. I didn’t yet recover from that.

I never heard an Afghan official accuse Iran of terrorism. Gotta do better than “some Afghan media wrote about it”. Also, try to get some credible sources.

[quote]Here is yet another article about Hezbollah in South America:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17874369/
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So now it’s Hezbollah, not Iran? That’s better.

Hold on a sec’. The US classifies Hezbollah as a terrorist organization. The overwhelming majority of countries don’t.

Sadr’s and the IRA is a very different story.

Wake the fuck up! The Contras didn’t protect their country from an invader. Hezbollah did.

I don’t agree with their methods, let alone their ideology, but comparing them to the Contras is nonsense.

Agreed.

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[quote]Gkhan wrote:
How did the US get the money to fund the contras?

By selling arms to Iran.

Stupid move.

Maybe if we’d played our cards right, Saddam would have crushed Iran once and for all. Then he’d be a dictator in control of all the oil and you’d bitch because we didn’t stop him.[/quote]

Morale of the story: Interventionism as a foreign polity is bad. It’ll always end up getting you a heck of a lot more foes than pals.

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[quote]lixy wrote:
Sloth wrote:

US forces have killed two gunmen and discovered a large amount of Iranian currency and bomb-making materials in a raid on the Baghdad Shiite neighbourhood of Sadr City on Wednesday.

Iranians accuse you of terrorism in Iraq as well.

http://fe53.news.sp1.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070504/wl_mideast_afp/iraqconferenceiranusmottaki_070504104400

There’s no need to go into the US state-sponsored terrorism aimed at Tehran. It should be common knowledge by now. [/quote]

So now you pooh pooh Iranian terrorism against Iraqis. Yeah, those bombs are killing the hell out of Iraqis, destabilizing their country, and prolonging the Chaos in their country. Doooooownplay! Of course, since you’re opposed to interventionism, you also oppose anyone supplying Hamas or the Hezbohs, right? Or, just the Israelis?

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I think the key here is this:

Muslim on muslim violence is ok.

They can kill an unlimited amount of muslims, but if the US or Israel kill muslims it is the worst crime in humanity.

Hense, Lebanon attacking al-qaeda, that’s ok. Sudanese genocide, ok, Saddam’s atrocities, ok, Iran’s terrorism, ok.

Israel attacking Hezbollah, US attacking Afghanistan, Iraq, defending itself from terror from Iran, that’s not ok.

Russia slaughtering millions of muslims, that’s ok, because they were all descended from Mongols, and Turks and not Arabs.

And the Ruskies arm the Muslims’ militaries and terrorists, so it is ok.

Syria wiping out a city of Shites, that’s ok, they are allies with Russia.

US arming Turkey against Kurds, not ok, because it is the US doing the arming.

Arab countries which are allied with the US are all evil dictatorships.

The dictators allied with the Russians are poor victims and it’s ok if they use terrorism.

See what I’m getting at here?

It all goes back to the cold war KBG anti-US disinformation campaign to allign the third world against the US.

This and the distribution of the Protocols of Zion in Muslim countries.

The US and Israel are the bad guy and nothing they ever did or ever will do is any good.

The disinformation campaign worked better than the KGB ever expected.

These boards are proof of that.

If I am wrong, anwser this:

What is some good the US or Israel has done in the world?

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[quote]lixy wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
http://www.jamestown.org/terrorism/news/article.php?articleid=2370239

Lixy wrote:
I was thinking of Kazakhstan, but figured that you guys in the US don’t differentiate between it and Afghanistan.

Sorry about the derogatory remark, but a few weeks back a Kazakh of my friends was introduced to an American chick and her response was an to yell an arrogant “Where the hell is that?”. I didn’t yet recover from that.

Gkhan says:
They must not have seen the Borat film.

Lixy wrote:
I never heard an Afghan official accuse Iran of terrorism. Gotta do better than “some Afghan media wrote about it”. Also, try to get some credible sources.

Gkhan says:
An Afghan official would not accuse Iran of terrorism, because the officials in office today are the ones Iran was helping. Maybe you should ask Osama or Mullah Omar if Iran was not so much using terrorism, but arming rebels
against them. They were giving weapons to the Northern Alliance and at one time massed troops on their eastern border for an invasion.

If you do not believe any of my other sources, here is a farsi source:

Lixy wrote:
So now it’s Hezbollah, not Iran? That’s better.

Gkhan says:
And who is Hezbollah backed by? Iran.

Lixy wrote:
The US classifies Hezbollah as a terrorist organization. The overwhelming majority of countries don’t.

Gkhan asks:
Where is YOUR proof of this?

Lixy wrote:
Wake the fuck up! The Contras didn’t protect their country from an invader. Hezbollah did.

Gkhan says:

Enless you consider Russian and Cuban Communist forces invaders, then you might think your country was being invaded.

Hezbollah didn’t try to kick out the PLO which invaded their country prior to the Israeli invasion. How come, the PLO isn’t from Lebanon, and if they hadn’t gone there, I doubt Israel would have had reason to invade.

and

What’s Hezbollah doing invading South America, what was Iran doing threatening to invade Afghanistan last decade? I thought you said Iran was peaceful, but I gave you site after site, article after article which said it is not. We can split hairs over this and that, but the bottom line is Iran was beligerent from day one to the US and to it’s neighbors.

Lixy wrote:
I don’t agree with their methods, let alone their ideology, but comparing them to the Contras is nonsense.

Gkhan says:
They were both armies. Both were armed by foreign powers. Both were in other countries and both were fighting proxy wars.

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From Lixy’s article of Iran accusing US of terrorism.

“When the United States arrests five Iranian diplomats in Iraq, it is an act of terrorism,” he said on condition of anonymity"

How about the Republican guard attack on the US base in which many soldiers were kidnapped, driven a short distance, then shot?

What about the whole situation with the Brits?

Holding our embassy hostage in the 70’s

Is that not terrorism also?

These guys have a lot of room to be name calling here.

It’s rather amusing to say the least.

Anyway, these “diplomats” were accused of supplying arms to the terrorists and they got arrested. Maybe the Iranian govt. should prove that they were not. Then if they want to flap their lips, ok.

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Iran collaborating with al Qaida and Sunnis’ – of course they are.

Juan Cole says it best…

[i]"At a time when Sunni Arab guerrillas are said to be opposing “al-Qaeda in Mesopotamia” for its indiscriminate violence against Iraqis, including Shiites, we are now expected to believe that Shiite Iran is allying with it. And, it claims that the Iranian Revolutionary Guards are shelling the Green Zone. The parliament building that was hit today by such shelling is dominated by the Supreme Islamic Iraqi Council and its paramilitary, the Badr Organization. Who trained Badr? The Iranian Revolutionary Guards. And they are trying to hit their own guys… why?

…The article even traffics in the ridiculous assertion that Iran is backing hyper-Sunni, Shiite-killing Taliban in Afghanistan. Why not just cut to the quick and openly say that Supreme Jurisprudent Ali Khamenei is in reality… Satan! It really is discouraging that Tisdall didn’t report instead on what crazy things the US military spokesmen in Iraq told him. US military spokesmen have been trying to push implausible articles about Shiite Iran supporting Sunni insurgents for a couple of years now, and with virtually the sole exception of the New York Times, no one in the journalistic community has taken these wild charges seriously. But The Guardian?"[/i]

Meanwhile…

Iran most active in countering terror
23 May 2007
A recent statement issued by the UN Security Council (UNSC) says Iran is the most active country in countering terrorism…

The UN statement stressed that the report sent by Iran comes even as the governments of the US and Israel both declined to provide their own reports on anti-terrorism activities.
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=10735§ionid=351020101

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[quote]lixy wrote:

Morale of the story: Interventionism as a foreign polity is bad. It’ll always end up getting you a heck of a lot more foes than pals.[/quote]

Gkhan asks:

So in your opinion, US and Nato involvement in Kosovo was a bad thing? In other words, we should not have stopped Milosovech?

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JTF, it would stand to reason that Iran is arming Hezbollah and Sadr,

al-Qaeda is getting funding from Saudi Arabia.

The Saudis said that if the US pulled out, they would continue to fund the Sunnis in Iraq (I assume al-qaeda, without saying it) against the shitte forces there.