strong attributing of arguments to me that arent mine 
And no, it is still problematic; I nonetheless believe we should pursue it and refine our technique, find better ways to contain the spread of fractures we put into the earth when extracting said shale gas, etc, but its not 100 % safe nor 100 % efficient at this point;
[quote]phala wrote:
All this aside, I find it ironic that a lot of people cry and deplore muslims for islamic extremism, but neglect the fact that US policymakers have
This is the same bullshit trying to be sold for years. It’s the U.S’s fault that people cannot control themselves and become bat shit crazy.
We have no more control over the radicalization of people than we have control over whether the Earth orbits the sun.
People radicalize for many reasons. First and foremost, they must be assholes. And assholes will be such under any circumstance.
And whether most muslims are peaceful, loving people is irrelevant. Right now, the most murderous, hate-filled, criminal element in all the world just happen to be muslims who proclaim to be doing it right. Most muslims may be kind peace loving people, but most peaceful, kind peace loving people are doing next to nothing about their violent brothers and sisters, even if muslims are the biggest recipients of the violence, there is no out cry. Their is only begging the U.S. to bail them out of yet another jam.
They all hate the U.S. over there, until ISIS comes and puts their heads on a spike and murders their children and rapes and sells their women. Then they beg for the U.S. to help. So that when we help, they can have the peace and freedom to hate our guts again.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]phala wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Have you not stayed current with what’s going on in the US energy sector?
We can maintain our oil addiction AND be more self sufficient by doing what we’re doing – and more. Drill, baby, drill. It’s working NOW – the US is the world’s number one producer of petroleum and natural gas and we’ve barely scratched the surface of our potential.
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“We can”
not “we are”
Shale drilling could be outlawed in the future for all we know, plus, its still problematic; we have a little while to go;
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Sorry, not happening. Some of you yearn for it like an orgasm but it ain’t happening.
And it’s not problematic at all. Not now. In fact, it’s downright easy.[/quote]
The two scariest words any American can say in, or to the ME is ‘Energy Independence’. It’s also the best way to crush the region, stop trade for their stupid oil. They may hate our country and our people, but they LOVE our money.
hahaha, its apparent to me that you have a strong bias in this argument now;
Anyway, I agree with you, as I said in my drawn out paragraph, that muslims need to change within first [ie) the “radical transformation” needed within their religion]
I acknowledge that the current “thinking” of Islam allows it to be easily perverted;
But if youre going to dismiss the fact that the US armed and brought to power a group who burned science and moderate islamic texts, and replaced them with islamic extremism garbage, then you should take yourself out of any serious debate regarding islamic extremism in the middle east and let people trying to find the truth debate;
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]phala wrote:
All this aside, I find it ironic that a lot of people cry and deplore muslims for islamic extremism, but neglect the fact that US policymakers have
This is the same bullshit trying to be sold for years. It’s the U.S’s fault that people cannot control themselves and become bat shit crazy.
We have no more control over the radicalization of people than we have control over whether the Earth orbits the sun.
People radicalize for many reasons. First and foremost, they must be assholes. And assholes will be such under any circumstance.
And whether most muslims are peaceful, loving people is irrelevant. Right now, the most murderous, hate-filled, criminal element in all the world just happen to be muslims who proclaim to be doing it right. Most muslims may be kind peace loving people, but most peaceful, kind peace loving people are doing next to nothing about their violent brothers and sisters, even if muslims are the biggest recipients of the violence, there is no out cry. There is only begging the U.S. to bail them out of yet another jam.
They all hate the U.S. over there, until ISIS comes and puts their heads on a spike and murders their children and rapes and sells their women. Then they beg for the U.S. to help. So that when we help, they can have the peace and freedom to hate our guts again.
[quote]phala wrote:
Also, due to the fact that I believe we are primarily fucking around in the mid-east for its resources, I strongly believe in and support tech innovation to get us off of our oil addiction and allow us to be more self-sufficient/reliant;
I strongly believe the private sector has a better shot at solving these problems than the public sector [/quote]
We could be more self sufficient and reliant if the goverment would quit tying everythign up.
Right now we have a surplus, when the price of oil tanked, we shut down production and began building storage facilites.
If the .gov would allow for exportation, our economy would take back off, and you would see things level out.
Once our economy stabalized you would see an increase in GDP resulting in more coffers for the .gov
I’d let the coffers build enough to bomb the shit out of bum fuckistan, and tell all the radical sympathizers to suck it.
It’s been a long time since the US bitch slapped somebody, you ever notice Japan doesn’t talk shit after Hiroshima.
[quote]phala wrote:
hahaha, its apparent to me that you have a strong bias in this argument now;
Anyway, I agree with you, as I said in my drawn out paragraph, that muslims need to change within first [ie) the “radical transformation” needed within their religion]
I acknowledge that the current “thinking” of Islam allows it to be easily perverted;
But if youre going to dismiss the fact that the US armed and brought to power a group who burned science and moderate islamic texts, and replaced them with islamic extremism garbage, then you should take yourself out of any serious debate regarding islamic extremism in the middle east and let people trying to find the truth debate; [/quote]
I don’t dismiss the fact that we armed the mujaheddin, which, believe it or not, did not consist of only bin laden. I said we didn’t radicalize them.
In fact, we tried to help them. So grateful were they, that they took our weapons and pointed them at us after the fall of the USSR.
So yeah, you can blame U.S. policy. We tried to help the people and they were so grateful they have been trying to murder each and everyone of us since.
I am not sure how your expecting we should have better dealt with it? Perhaps we should have let the Soviets steam roll the place. In hindsight, that would have turned out better for us.
[quote]pat wrote:
I don’t dismiss the fact that we armed the mujaheddin, which, believe it or not, did not consist of only bin laden. I said we didn’t radicalize them.
In fact, we tried to help them. So grateful were they, that they took our weapons and pointed them at us after the fall of the USSR.
So yeah, you can blame U.S. policy. We tried to help the people and they were so grateful they have been trying to murder each and everyone of us since.
I am not sure how your expecting we should have better dealt with it? Perhaps we should have let the Soviets steam roll the place. In hindsight, that would have turned out better for us. [/quote]
The mujaheddin were chosen specifically because they were the most radical group around; Radicals fight harder than non-radicals, and the US policymakers knew exactly what they were doing;
Reagan even equated these evil fucks to the founding fathers of the US;
We didnt try to help the people, no country is going to spend considerable resources simply to help other people, as it shouldn’t be expected to;
We were there to stop the soviets from gaining influence in a key region to the world, and im grateful that we did;
I could even sympathize with the idea that mistakes are made sometimes, and the mujaheddin’s growth in both power and monstrosity was not expected;
But, when in our constant struggle to retain control/influence over the mid-east, we do the same thing over and over and over again, and then fucking cry about islamic extremism in the middle east, it starts becoming a fool’s game;
Only way out of this is tech innovation or to just go in and purge the middle east of its inhabitants, I choose the former, I can already see some here wouldnt mind the latter;
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Good grief. A 2015 Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG isn’t 100% safe or efficient either.
Get outta here.
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Im not against fracking or anything man, im just saying it can be improved;
you just made it seem like we were at the point with fracking where it was the final fix for all of our energy problems; I would love to see why you think that is, because I dont believe it is; Its certainly hopeful, im just saying it can be improved, or better things can be found;
I wish we did more stuff with nuclear energy for instance; I see fracking as a tool to use in the interim while we find those better things;
thats all im saying man;
we should start a technology section as that stuff is more interesting and way less depressing than politics 
I’m not sure why we dont use up all the oil in the middle east, and then tell them to fuck off.
[quote]pat wrote:
It’s the “government’s” fault that people cannot control themselves and become bat shit crazy.
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Liberalism 101: nothing is an individuals fault, and personal responsibility is racist.
ie. see Baltimore / Ferguson riots
[quote]Aggv wrote:
I’m not sure why we dont use up all the oil in the middle east, and then tell them to fuck off. [/quote]
Is this a serious argument?
How exactly do you plan on doing that? By going in and taking their oil fields by force, and then maintaining control over those fields while they try to attack us for the decades we need oil, leading to a spending of more resources than actually gained from that oil in the first place?
Are you mentally retarded?
[quote]phala wrote:
[quote]Aggv wrote:
I’m not sure why we dont use up all the oil in the middle east, and then tell them to fuck off. [/quote]
Is this a serious argument?
How exactly do you plan on doing that? By going in and taking their oil fields by force, and then maintaining control over those fields while they try to attack us for the decades we need oil, leading to a spending of more resources than actually gained from that oil in the first place?
Are you mentally retarded, or was that a joke argument? [/quote]
Or you could continue using up their oil while putting our domestic production on hold.
It’s not retarded at all to assume military force was being suggested…
Ah I misunderstood, my apologies;
But I still dont understand how that would work unless we completely switched over to fracking, as we would exhaust w.e they currently have drilled
I did a poor job with my internet sarcasm, but i called you a retard for the implication that i was suggesting the use of military force.
lol
I suppose we also have access to latin america’s oil as well;
that + fracking and we could get off mid-east oil dependence?
[quote]phala wrote:
lol
I suppose we also have access to latin america’s oil as well;
that + fracking and we could get off mid-east oil dependence?[/quote]
We’ve been off their tit for a while, that’s why OPEC cut the price per barrel. Now that’s biting them in the ass.
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