Intermittent Fasting Shows 91% Higher Risk For Heart Disease

There is some interesting commentary here if you scroll down to it. It primarily mentions many of the limitations discussed in this thread, but also suggests the data is worth reviewing for context in application once released.

Anyways, it’s not my intent to convince anyone to change their diet or win an internet conversation around IF so take it with a grain of salt.

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Attempting to become this man has not resulted in similar outcomes for me. Damn genetics.

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Just for fun, here’s that Dave Tate story.

"There was a time at the Old Westside gym where I couldn’t gain weight to save my fucking life.

There was this dude who trained there who could just put on weight like fucking magic. He’d go from 198 to 308 and then to 275 and back down to 198. And he was never fat. It was amazing.

I finally asked him one day how he did it.

“You mean I never told you the secret to gaining weight? Come outside and I’ll fill you in.”

Now remember, we’re at Westside Barbell. And this guy wants to go outside to talk so no one else can hear. Think about that for a minute. What the hell is he going to tell me? This must be some serious shit if we have to go outside, I thought.

So we get outside and he starts talking.

“For breakfast you need to eat four of those breakfast sandwiches from McDonalds. I don’t care which ones you get, but make sure to get four. Order four hash browns, too. Now grab two packs of mayonnaise and put them on the hash browns and then slip them into the sandwiches. Squish that shit down and eat. That’s your breakfast.”

At this point I’m thinking this guy is nuts. But he’s completely serious.

“For lunch you’re gonna eat Chinese food. Now I don’t want you eating that crappy stuff. You wanna get the stuff with MSG. None of that non-MSG bullshit. I don’t care what you eat but you have to sit down and eat for at least 45 minutes straight. You can’t let go of the fork. Eat until your eyes swell up and become slits and you start to look like the woman behind the counter.”

“For dinner you’re gonna order an extra-large pizza with everything on it. Literally everything. If you don’t like sardines, don’t put ’em on, but anything else that you like you have to load it on there. After you pay the delivery guy, I want you to take the pie to your coffee table, open that fucker up, and grab a bottle of oil. It can be olive oil, canola oil, whatever. Anything but motor oil. And I want you to pour that shit over the pie until half of the bottle is gone. Just soak the shit out of it.”

“Now before you lay into it, I want you to sit on your couch and just stare at that fucker. I want you to understand that that pizza right there is keeping you from your goals.”

This guy is in a zen-like state when he’s talking about this.

“Now you’re on the clock,” he continues. “After 20 minutes your brain is going to tell you you’re full. Don’t listen to that shit. You have to try and eat as much of the pizza as you can before that 20-minute mark. Double up pieces if you have to. I’m telling you now, you’re going to get three or four pieces in and you’re gonna want to quit. You fucking can’t quit. You have to sit on that couch until every piece is done.

And if you can’t finish it, don’t you ever come back to me and tell me you can’t gain weight. ’Cause I’m gonna tell you that you don’t give a fuck about getting bigger and you don’t care how much you lift!”

Did I do it? Hell yeah. Started the next day and did it for two months. Went from 260 pounds to 297 pounds. And I didn’t get much fatter. One of the hardest things I’ve ever done in my life, though.

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This might be the best thing I’ve read on the internet since the internet became a household thing.

Those bastards, I knew it.

This is why cops vs firefighters exists

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I mean it’s definitely not unheard of:

Gotta get that pay somewhere!

You guys are always busy - can’t say the same for us.

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Honestly feels like job security for both. I’m smelling conspiracy where the investigative unit is behind the whole plot.

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Better hush up with that talk, you might wind up going on indefinite holiday :joy:

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Lol.

I just saw this and thought I’d drop it here in case anyone’s interested! Why is the AHA wrong about intermittent fasting? - The Food Institute

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Peter Attia, MD, had a similar response.

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Separate from heart attacks, Attia’s current stance on fasting is that perceived benefits aren’t worth consequences, albeit reduced muscle mass vs. heart attacks.

Again not interested in arguing IF in general, or the merits of various windows in comparison to one another. Just sharing interesting info to consider.

His focus in the newsletter I read was the study itself - flaws that rendered the information meaningless. He wasn’t talking about pros/cons of IF as a strategy. More bemoaning shoddy science.

It would never be an option for me. I’m terrible at fasting, and feel tortured every second of it.

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If i may humbly interject… its one study correct?

That is correct. With flaws.

We do know that fasting decreases testosterone.

And training fasted really, really decreases testosterone.

And we know low test increases chances of heart disease.

So why wouldn’t fasting cause heart disease?

And if you Must fast, and Must train, it’s better to train during your eating window.

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To be honest ive never been a fan of fasting… always thought some of the claims were over stated. But each their own.

Im not a smart man . BUT… i know enough that one study doesnt prove anything.

I dont read studies… luckily im connect to someone who can evaluate the data and the merit of the study

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Do what I do. Just fast between meals. That way, you’re satiated through the fast.

I think Jerry Seinfeld is behind All of these shenanigans. He turned his show about nothing into an eating strategy based on not eating. :thinking:

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I know this was tongue in cheek, but it’s legit how I approach fasting. I eat enough so that I CAN fast for a long time. Chris Bell refers to this as “effortless fasting”. It shouldn’t be about being a martyr. Once hunger hits, it’s time to eat: we just gotta recognize what is hunger vs ennui.

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I wish I could remember where I saw this - it was some Icelandic strongmen talking about how they only ate two meals per day, but each one was huge. The meals and the strongmen.