[quote]Sloth wrote:
Aren’t you Hindu?[/quote]
Our bragging point is that we know just how stupid people really are.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Aren’t you Hindu?
Our bragging point is that we know just how stupid people really are.[/quote]
Now thats pretty funny.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
apbt55 wrote:
But in research and science I remove my religion from my study.
So you’re proud of picking and choosing instead of sticking to your guns. You drop religion when it suits you.[/quote]
If that is how you want to phrase it yes.
When I design experiments I try to remove as much my own bias as possible. I mean yes I could say “Because God made it that way”, I know you don’t believe in the same thing as me, but I belive God gave me the ability to use my analytical to do some good.
We don’t always have to agree.
I let the testing answer for itself, I take any answer coming from iterative functions or pre-answered algorithms with a grain of salt.
[quote]Amused59 wrote:
You have got to be kidding me. I know you punks find the concept of a God-less universe to be frightening and lonely, but creationism and intelligent design have nothing to do with reality and remain your pathetic attempts to maintain the status quo. About my last Marxist leaning really is the one about religion being an opiate for the masses.
So go ahead, curse the darkness. Blame science for being a faulty methodology and how the bible truely is God’s word. While you’re busy signing waivors for your kids not to be exposed to evolution, you’ll probably want to get them exposed to a class on biblical math so they won’t tax themselves with pesky equations. [/quote]
Who said SCIENCE is a faulty methodology, you obviously haven’t paid much attention to the conversation if you think that.
[quote]apbt55 wrote:
Amused59 wrote:
You have got to be kidding me. I know you punks find the concept of a God-less universe to be frightening and lonely, but creationism and intelligent design have nothing to do with reality and remain your pathetic attempts to maintain the status quo. About my last Marxist leaning really is the one about religion being an opiate for the masses.
So go ahead, curse the darkness. Blame science for being a faulty methodology and how the bible truely is God’s word. While you’re busy signing waivors for your kids not to be exposed to evolution, you’ll probably want to get them exposed to a class on biblical math so they won’t tax themselves with pesky equations.
Who said SCIENCE is a faulty methodology, you obviously haven’t paid much attention to the conversation if you think that. [/quote]
I don’t think anyone did. He has a comprehension problem.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Different books, different people, different times. Genesis existed long before the Bible.
That and you have pointed out nothing that was a fairy tale yet.[/quote]
So you think the stories in the bible written 4,000 years ago are fables, but the stories that are only 2,000 years old are literally true? In another 2,000 years, will those stories become fables too?
I thought I did point out a few fairy tales. Or are you saying you believe Adam had sex with his sister Eve after leaving the Garden of Eden and fathered the entire human race, that Moses parted the Red Sea, and that the entire planet was covered with a flood but the animals were saved by putting all of them onto an ark?
[quote]forlife wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
Different books, different people, different times. Genesis existed long before the Bible.
That and you have pointed out nothing that was a fairy tale yet.
So you think the stories in the bible written 4,000 years ago are fables, but the stories that are only 2,000 years old are literally true? In another 2,000 years, will those stories become fables too?
I thought I did point out a few fairy tales. Or are you saying you believe Adam had sex with his sister Eve after leaving the Garden of Eden and fathered the entire human race, that Moses parted the Red Sea, and that the entire planet was covered with a flood but the animals were saved by putting all of them onto an ark?[/quote]
NO I NEVER SAID ANYTHING WAS A FABLE. I said evolution doesn’t directly contradict Genesis.
I don’t know if you know how families work, but Adam and Eve weren’t brother and sister at least how you are claiming. I also don’t think it claims that Adam and Eve were the only 2 created, just the first.
Even evolution has to have an original start to human kind at some point.
[quote]apbt55 wrote:
I let the testing answer for itself, I take any answer coming from iterative functions or pre-answered algorithms with a grain of salt.
[/quote]
Hypothetically:
What if the test results proved that your “god” isn’t real? Would you accept them as valid or would you find a way to discredit them?
[quote]forlife wrote:
apbt55 wrote:
I let the testing answer for itself, I take any answer coming from iterative functions or pre-answered algorithms with a grain of salt.
Hypothetically:
What if the test results proved that your “god” isn’t real? Would you accept them as valid or would you find a way to discredit them?
[/quote]
God, by definition, is untestable.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
NO I NEVER SAID ANYTHING WAS A FABLE.[/quote]
Then answer my questions. For example, do you believe that:
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Moses parted the Red Sea?
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Noah built an ark and put every species of animal on it, to preserve them from a world-wide flood?
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God sent a bear to devour a few children for making fun of Elisha’s bald head?
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God caused the sun to stand still so Joshua could vanquish his enemies?
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Jesus walked on water, turned water into wine, and multiplied a few loaves of bread to feed five thousand people?
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
God, by definition, is untestable.[/quote]
I said “hypothetically”.
Regardless, you can evaluate the veracity of claims about the actions of “god” just as you can evaluate the veracity of claims about ESP, astral projection, and UFOs. It is impossible to prove a negative, but you can show that supernatural/divine results occur at levels no greater than would be expected by chance alone or are due to other potential causes.
[quote]forlife wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
NO I NEVER SAID ANYTHING WAS A FABLE.
Then answer my questions. For example, do you believe that:
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Moses parted the Red Sea?
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Noah built an ark and put every species of animal on it, to preserve them from a world-wide flood?
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God sent a bear to devour a few children for making fun of Elisha’s bald head?
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God caused the sun to stand still so Joshua could vanquish his enemies?
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Jesus walked on water, turned water into wine, and multiplied a few loaves of bread to feed five thousand people?[/quote]
Do you believe that by sheer random chance and the act of nothing or no one, some huge balls of gas poofed into existence out of nothing, collided, created the universe, created the fundamental laws of existence and matter, formed the earth, and spontaneously generated life and eventually consciousness?
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
forlife wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
Different books, different people, different times. Genesis existed long before the Bible.
That and you have pointed out nothing that was a fairy tale yet.
So you think the stories in the bible written 4,000 years ago are fables, but the stories that are only 2,000 years old are literally true? In another 2,000 years, will those stories become fables too?
I thought I did point out a few fairy tales. Or are you saying you believe Adam had sex with his sister Eve after leaving the Garden of Eden and fathered the entire human race, that Moses parted the Red Sea, and that the entire planet was covered with a flood but the animals were saved by putting all of them onto an ark?
NO I NEVER SAID ANYTHING WAS A FABLE. I said evolution doesn’t directly contradict Genesis.
I don’t know if you know how families work, but Adam and Eve weren’t brother and sister at least how you are claiming. I also don’t think it claims that Adam and Eve were the only 2 created, just the first.
[/quote]
Technically Eve was Adam´s clone.
[quote]orion wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
forlife wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
Different books, different people, different times. Genesis existed long before the Bible.
That and you have pointed out nothing that was a fairy tale yet.
So you think the stories in the bible written 4,000 years ago are fables, but the stories that are only 2,000 years old are literally true? In another 2,000 years, will those stories become fables too?
I thought I did point out a few fairy tales. Or are you saying you believe Adam had sex with his sister Eve after leaving the Garden of Eden and fathered the entire human race, that Moses parted the Red Sea, and that the entire planet was covered with a flood but the animals were saved by putting all of them onto an ark?
NO I NEVER SAID ANYTHING WAS A FABLE. I said evolution doesn’t directly contradict Genesis.
I don’t know if you know how families work, but Adam and Eve weren’t brother and sister at least how you are claiming. I also don’t think it claims that Adam and Eve were the only 2 created, just the first.
Technically Eve was Adam´s clone.
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Not true, though it doesn’t say, if she were his direct clone, she’d have been male. Genes were apparently manipulated/created. Though like I said all that is inferring information that isn’t there.
Well, it was originally about intelligent design, creationism, evolution, and the big bang. However, it’s starting to turn into a pull anything out of the bible, throw it against a wall, and see if something sticks type of thread. I personally would direct people to Catholic and Orthodox sites for a view of how scripture, Church, and apostolic authority approach the faith.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
forlife wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
NO I NEVER SAID ANYTHING WAS A FABLE.
Then answer my questions. For example, do you believe that:
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Moses parted the Red Sea?
-
Noah built an ark and put every species of animal on it, to preserve them from a world-wide flood?
-
God sent a bear to devour a few children for making fun of Elisha’s bald head?
-
God caused the sun to stand still so Joshua could vanquish his enemies?
-
Jesus walked on water, turned water into wine, and multiplied a few loaves of bread to feed five thousand people?
Do you believe that by sheer random chance and the act of nothing or no one, some huge balls of gas poofed into existence out of nothing, collided, created the universe, created the fundamental laws of existence and matter, formed the earth, and spontaneously generated life and eventually consciousness?[/quote]
Tell you what, I’ll give you my honest opinion on your questions if you will give me your honest opinion on my 5 questions.
[quote]forlife wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
forlife wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
NO I NEVER SAID ANYTHING WAS A FABLE.
Then answer my questions. For example, do you believe that:
-
Moses parted the Red Sea?
-
Noah built an ark and put every species of animal on it, to preserve them from a world-wide flood?
-
God sent a bear to devour a few children for making fun of Elisha’s bald head?
-
God caused the sun to stand still so Joshua could vanquish his enemies?
-
Jesus walked on water, turned water into wine, and multiplied a few loaves of bread to feed five thousand people?
Do you believe that by sheer random chance and the act of nothing or no one, some huge balls of gas poofed into existence out of nothing, collided, created the universe, created the fundamental laws of existence and matter, formed the earth, and spontaneously generated life and eventually consciousness?
Tell you what, I’ll give you my honest opinion on your questions if you will give me your honest opinion on my 5 questions.[/quote]
My opinion is that your questions are so loaded, twisted, and biased they don’t deserve a serious response. You aren’t arguing any topic. You despise christianity and take any opportunity to insult and belittle people who believe differently than you.
How the hell are they loaded?
Do you believe God sent a bear to kill children for mocking Elisha or not?
The bible says this literally happened. Do you believe it or not? It’s a simple yes or no question.
Let’s cut to the chase. You know as well as I do that these stories are made up, but you don’t want to admit it because it begs the question of whether the stories you do believe in might not also be fables.
[quote]forlife wrote:
How the hell are they loaded?
Do you believe God sent a bear to kill children for mocking Elisha or not?
The bible says this literally happened. Do you believe it or not? It’s a simple yes or no question.
Let’s cut to the chase. You know as well as I do that these stories are made up, but you don’t want to admit it because it begs the question of whether the stories you do believe in might not also be fables.[/quote]
Let’s cut to the chase. You know as well as I do that homosexuality is unnatural and immoral and with consequence, but you don’t want to admit it because it begs the question of whether the ultimate consequences you do not believe in might also be not fables.
Since immorality is subjectively defined, you don’t have much evidence for that claim outside of your fairy tales.
You are being disingenuous by claiming that you haven’t specified any fables in the bible. When asked about specific biblical stories, you refuse to confirm whether or not you believe they are fables.
Your silence speaks volumes.
Oh, and for the record:
I love fundamentalist Christians, I only hate the fairy tales they try to promote as facts.