The problem is that 90% of the people in this country couldn’t tell a Kreb’s cycle from a tri-cycle, let alone grasp evolutionary theory.
Dunno about all of this. I have no problem with evolution, big bang, or whatever. But, I’m also Christian.
[quote]phil_leotardo wrote:
The problem is that 90% of the people in this country couldn’t tell a Kreb’s cycle from a tri-cycle, let alone grasp evolutionary theory. [/quote]
I would argue that most that try talk evolutionary theory don’t understand true impact that molecular biology, gnetics, genomics, proteomics, have on these theories. Everything is looked at so superficially, they forget the bases of how these changes occur and if it is evev possible for these changes to take place given the current knowledge of these fields.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Dunno about all of this. I have no problem with evolution, big bang, or whatever. But, I’m also Christian.[/quote]
Just curious, how? How do you have no problem with the big bang theory if you are a christian?
they fundametally condradict each other.
Or are you one of those people that calls themselves a christian when they just mean they are spiritual or religious. A christian believes the bible is God Breathed. All true and all encompassing.
I am sorry if that came out in an offensive way I didn’t mean it to be offensive, but don’t know how to ask it.
If the bible is God Breathed, I suggest you get God some altoids.
[quote]forlife wrote:
If the bible is God Breathed, I suggest you get God some altoids.[/quote]
If you are serious, I suggest you take your bigotry elsewhere.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
If you are serious, I suggest you take your bigotry elsewhere.[/quote]
Tell you what, I won’t whine about being called a bible bigot if you don’t whine about being called a gay bigot.
[quote]forlife wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
If you are serious, I suggest you take your bigotry elsewhere.
Tell you what, I won’t whine about being called a bible bigot if you don’t whine about being called a gay bigot.
[/quote]
I don’t consider myself to hate gay people at all. I am non-accepting of one of their specific lifestyle choices, if you want to label me a bigot for that, then I guess I am. Then again extramarital relations fall into the same category in my book, so I guess I’m a bigot towards almost everyone.
My point was that you randomly bad mouthing the Bible in this thread is immature at best, and doesn’t belong in this conversation unless you are intelligently arguing credibility as it relates to the subject. Your comment was neither mildly intelligent nor on topic.
If I randomly spouted of some unrelated, un-intelligent, anti-gay rhetoric, then you would have a point and I would expect to get told to shut-up about it.
I don’t hate religious people either. I am non-accepting of their lifestyle choice, so does that make me a bigot?
The point of my earlier post was that the bible is so full of inconsistencies, it makes little sense to claim it is an infallible source of truth regarding the origin of the universe.
[quote]forlife wrote:
I don’t hate religious people either. I am non-accepting of their lifestyle choice, so does that make me a bigot?
The point of my earlier post was that the bible is so full of inconsistencies, it makes little sense to claim it is an infallible source of truth regarding the origin of the universe.[/quote]
That is a more intelligent statement. What specific inconsistencies make it’s origin stories unacceptable?
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
forlife wrote:
I don’t hate religious people either. I am non-accepting of their lifestyle choice, so does that make me a bigot?
The point of my earlier post was that the bible is so full of inconsistencies, it makes little sense to claim it is an infallible source of truth regarding the origin of the universe.
That is a more intelligent statement. What specific inconsistencies make it’s origin stories unacceptable?[/quote]
[quote]apbt55 wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Dunno about all of this. I have no problem with evolution, big bang, or whatever. But, I’m also Christian.
Just curious, how? How do you have no problem with the big bang theory if you are a christian?
they fundametally condradict each other.
Or are you one of those people that calls themselves a christian when they just mean they are spiritual or religious. A christian believes the bible is God Breathed. All true and all encompassing.
I am sorry if that came out in an offensive way I didn’t mean it to be offensive, but don’t know how to ask it.[/quote]
Because I don’t think the point of scripture, and specifically Genesis, was to educate man (especially the audience of that time) in scientific knowledge.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
apbt55 wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Dunno about all of this. I have no problem with evolution, big bang, or whatever. But, I’m also Christian.
Just curious, how? How do you have no problem with the big bang theory if you are a christian?
they fundametally condradict each other.
Or are you one of those people that calls themselves a christian when they just mean they are spiritual or religious. A christian believes the bible is God Breathed. All true and all encompassing.
I am sorry if that came out in an offensive way I didn’t mean it to be offensive, but don’t know how to ask it.
Because I don’t think the point of scripture, and specifically Genesis, was to educate man (especially the audience of that time) in scientific knowledge.
[/quote]
I feel the same way.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Sloth wrote:
apbt55 wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Dunno about all of this. I have no problem with evolution, big bang, or whatever. But, I’m also Christian.
Just curious, how? How do you have no problem with the big bang theory if you are a christian?
they fundametally condradict each other.
Or are you one of those people that calls themselves a christian when they just mean they are spiritual or religious. A christian believes the bible is God Breathed. All true and all encompassing.
I am sorry if that came out in an offensive way I didn’t mean it to be offensive, but don’t know how to ask it.
Because I don’t think the point of scripture, and specifically Genesis, was to educate man (especially the audience of that time) in scientific knowledge.
I feel the same way.[/quote]
Please elaborate, I’m sorry not trying to be a pain I just want to understand where you are coming from.
If you were to believe what is called the big bang theory that contradicts what is written in the bible, and if you take the bible as truth, you have two fundamental beliefs for the origin of man and life that contradict each other.
sorry if that seems nonsensical
[quote]forlife wrote:
If the bible is God Breathed, I suggest you get God some altoids.[/quote]
Do you prefer spearmint or winterfresh?
[quote]apbt55 wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
Sloth wrote:
apbt55 wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Dunno about all of this. I have no problem with evolution, big bang, or whatever. But, I’m also Christian.
Just curious, how? How do you have no problem with the big bang theory if you are a christian?
they fundametally condradict each other.
Or are you one of those people that calls themselves a christian when they just mean they are spiritual or religious. A christian believes the bible is God Breathed. All true and all encompassing.
I am sorry if that came out in an offensive way I didn’t mean it to be offensive, but don’t know how to ask it.
Because I don’t think the point of scripture, and specifically Genesis, was to educate man (especially the audience of that time) in scientific knowledge.
I feel the same way.
Please elaborate, I’m sorry not trying to be a pain I just want to understand where you are coming from.
If you were to believe what is called the big bang theory that contradicts what is written in the bible, and if you take the bible as truth, you have two fundamental beliefs for the origin of man and life that contradict each other.
sorry if that seems nonsensical [/quote]
I don’t explicitly see where the Bible says the big bang didn’t happen. Just like how I can believe evolution could have been the means God used to create plants and animals, including man.
As I’ve stated before, I don’t believe that religion and science are inherently at conflict. I believe they are explorations in different realms. Science and religion attempt to answer different questions and each is truely out of the others scope. The Bible in this sense isn’t a scientific textbook. It’s about things like morals, write and wrong, your eternal soul, est all outside of anything science should attempt to tackle.
If it was written as a textbook it wouldn’t be as universally understandable, you have to have a basic education to comprehend text books.
I think that any conflict between the 2 subjects is an extrapolation of one or the other.
[quote]apbt55 wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
Sloth wrote:
apbt55 wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Dunno about all of this. I have no problem with evolution, big bang, or whatever. But, I’m also Christian.
Just curious, how? How do you have no problem with the big bang theory if you are a christian?
they fundametally condradict each other.
Or are you one of those people that calls themselves a christian when they just mean they are spiritual or religious. A christian believes the bible is God Breathed. All true and all encompassing.
I am sorry if that came out in an offensive way I didn’t mean it to be offensive, but don’t know how to ask it.
Because I don’t think the point of scripture, and specifically Genesis, was to educate man (especially the audience of that time) in scientific knowledge.
I feel the same way.
Please elaborate, I’m sorry not trying to be a pain I just want to understand where you are coming from.
If you were to believe what is called the big bang theory that contradicts what is written in the bible, and if you take the bible as truth, you have two fundamental beliefs for the origin of man and life that contradict each other.
sorry if that seems nonsensical [/quote]
I think I answered you. The physical origin man and the universe is not a question of morality or salvation. Any ‘science’ in scripture would reflect the limitations of man’s knowledge 1000’s of years ago. The point that isn’t to be overlooked is that God alone, one God, is responsible for all of creation. No other Gods. No God of the oceans. None of the Sun, air, stars, animals, etc.
I can no more view the six days of creation as literal than the symbolism I would find in Revelations.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
apbt55 wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
Sloth wrote:
apbt55 wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Dunno about all of this. I have no problem with evolution, big bang, or whatever. But, I’m also Christian.
Just curious, how? How do you have no problem with the big bang theory if you are a christian?
they fundametally condradict each other.
Or are you one of those people that calls themselves a christian when they just mean they are spiritual or religious. A christian believes the bible is God Breathed. All true and all encompassing.
I am sorry if that came out in an offensive way I didn’t mean it to be offensive, but don’t know how to ask it.
Because I don’t think the point of scripture, and specifically Genesis, was to educate man (especially the audience of that time) in scientific knowledge.
I feel the same way.
Please elaborate, I’m sorry not trying to be a pain I just want to understand where you are coming from.
If you were to believe what is called the big bang theory that contradicts what is written in the bible, and if you take the bible as truth, you have two fundamental beliefs for the origin of man and life that contradict each other.
sorry if that seems nonsensical
I think I answered you. The physical origin man and the universe is not a question of morality or salvation. Any ‘science’ in scripture would reflect the limitations of man’s knowledge 1000’s of years ago. The point that isn’t to be overlooked is that God alone, one God, is responsible for all of creation. No other Gods. No God of the oceans. None of the Sun, air, stars, animals, etc.
I can no more view the six days of creation as literal than the symbolism I would find in Revelations. [/quote]
So then neither of you truly take scripture as inspired by God and literal(God Breathed).
adam and eve weren’t real, the flood never happens, so on and so on.
Then that would explain more of the view.
Not saying that in a snide way, just that now I understand better what you mean and where your arguments are coming from.
[quote]apbt55 wrote:
So then neither of you truly take scripture as inspired by God and literal(God Breathed).
adam and eve weren’t real, the flood never happens, so on and so on.
Then that would explain more of the view.
Not saying that in a snide way, just that now I understand better what you mean and where your arguments are coming from.
[/quote]
No, I believe it is inspired by God. But God didn’t present everything in the literal sense to man 1000s of years ago (when knowledge would’ve been far more limited). Was the story of the Good Samiritan about an actual person? What about the Prodigal Son? Is that parable about a specific and historical person?
Let’s say I’m inspired on my own to teach certain principles. At some point I might be literal, recording facts of actual events, as they happened. At others, I might use parables or allegories to illustrate a principle. Was my writing or teaching any less inspired by myself?
[quote]apbt55 wrote:
Sloth wrote:
apbt55 wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
Sloth wrote:
apbt55 wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Dunno about all of this. I have no problem with evolution, big bang, or whatever. But, I’m also Christian.
Just curious, how? How do you have no problem with the big bang theory if you are a christian?
they fundametally condradict each other.
Or are you one of those people that calls themselves a christian when they just mean they are spiritual or religious. A christian believes the bible is God Breathed. All true and all encompassing.
I am sorry if that came out in an offensive way I didn’t mean it to be offensive, but don’t know how to ask it.
Because I don’t think the point of scripture, and specifically Genesis, was to educate man (especially the audience of that time) in scientific knowledge.
I feel the same way.
Please elaborate, I’m sorry not trying to be a pain I just want to understand where you are coming from.
If you were to believe what is called the big bang theory that contradicts what is written in the bible, and if you take the bible as truth, you have two fundamental beliefs for the origin of man and life that contradict each other.
sorry if that seems nonsensical
I think I answered you. The physical origin man and the universe is not a question of morality or salvation. Any ‘science’ in scripture would reflect the limitations of man’s knowledge 1000’s of years ago. The point that isn’t to be overlooked is that God alone, one God, is responsible for all of creation. No other Gods. No God of the oceans. None of the Sun, air, stars, animals, etc.
I can no more view the six days of creation as literal than the symbolism I would find in Revelations.
So then neither of you truly take scripture as inspired by God and literal(God Breathed).
adam and eve weren’t real, the flood never happens, so on and so on.
Then that would explain more of the view.
Not saying that in a snide way, just that now I understand better what you mean and where your arguments are coming from.
[/quote]
No, I think that our current scientific knowledge is adaptable to the Bible. A lot of the rules god lays out specifically in the old testament aren’t scientifically explained in the text. A lot of the rules about what to eat and how to cook could today be explained sanitation and bacteria, or the food pyramid.
Geneses says God is responsible for all creation. It never really explains how he did it.