Influential Democrat Promises Dirty Tricks Forthcoming

[quote]Roy Batty wrote:
Kerry, quite simply should have been tried for treason years ago (http://patriotpetitions.us/kerry/). Bush also wasn’t concerned about his own service being under the microscope, because there is NOTHING to hide. The only think the DNC can produce are FAKE documents.

Sorry, but you are completely full of shit! The very idea that someone who won a Silver Star be questioned by a sniveler like yourself is LAUGHABLE! And Bush is the only one who should have gone to jail. Not just for his drug use, or his DWI’s (which were many more than just one), but for going AWOL.

I am the first to condemn any faked documents, and the sorry asses who did it should be punished. The cold hard fact remains that the fakes weren’t necessary because there is enough to sink him in valid documents.

Don’t worry though, your candidate will probably win because the collective national intelligence has plummeted through the floor and there are plenty of sheep like yourself who believe all the republican propaganda. You will probably get four more incompitent years out of that dim wit![/quot

Roy Batty:

In your short post you managed to name call a highly repected forum member, call the President of the United States a dim wit, and insult the entire voting populace! Do you think that this type of post helps your cause?

This is all unnecessary as you could have easily gotten your point across in a more skilled gentlemanly manner. There is no need to attack people personally.

Do you have so much hate in you that you cannot respond with more self control? Let’s keep the debate sharp and on the issues!

I am sure that you can do this.

[quote]ZEB wrote:
Roy Batty:

In your short post you managed to name call a highly repected forum member, call the President of the United States a dim wit, and insult the entire voting populace! Do you think that this type of post helps your cause?

This is all unnecessary as you could have easily gotten your point across in a more skilled gentlemanly manner. There is no need to attack people personally.

Do you have so much hate in you that you cannot respond with more self control? Let’s keep the debate sharp and on the issues!

I am sure that you can do this.
[/quote]

I am sick of reading the utter self-righteousness of you Bush worshippers. Don’t forget that I have read your posting history… You know about as much about being a gentleman as GW knows about pronouncing the word NUCLEAR!

I don’t give a crap about someone being a “respected member”… If you guys want some respect, SHOW SOME! I didn’t start this thread mad, but you people don’t use logic to argue your points. You just spout off the latest neonazi talking points as if they were original thoughts (a foreign concept, I know). I swear, the whole fucking world has gone mad!

BB, I don’t give a crap if I had a typo. Bush’s entire fucking presidency has been a typo. They have filled an entire BOOK of his completely incoherent ramblings. Honestly, YOU know more about politics and economics than he will ever know. You’ve read my posts in the past. If you want to start nit-picking then I will do the same. Of course, that means you will have to start organizing and typing your own thoughts instead of copying and pasting every article you read from your right wing nut job publications.

You know, the sad thing is, I am not really all that crazy about Kerry. I really had high hopes for Bush but he has proven that he can’t handle the job. He is a known quantity. If he can’t do it, then I’ll give someone else a chance.

This bad medicine must stop.

Roy Batty:

“NeoNazi” “nutjob” “Bush worshippers” Oh my…

You seem frantic “The whole world has gone mad.” Are you feeling stress because you know that President Bush is going to be reelected?

Roy, you need to relax. Name calling and carrying on the way that you do does not convince anyone of your point. I am sure that you have seen the post that has been listed directly under your lastest rant. Do you see the impression that you are leaving? Not good.

You appear to have a rage that is not unlike the one shown by Gov. Dean in his now famous “yeehaa speech.” Do you think he helped himself acting in that manner? No of course not, now again I ask you to debate the issues and stop the name calling!

Roy Batty:

As a Ronald Reagen once said: “There you go again.”

“Neonazis” “nutjobs” “Bushworshippers” Oh my. It seems that anyone with an opposing view is denigrated.

“It seems like the whole world has gone mad.” Roy you seem like an angry man, why is that? Are you stressed because you are convinced that President Bush will be reelected? It’s only one election, relax and let it happen. Let’s face it, there really isn’t much that you can do about it.

Gov. Dean also lost his cool in his now famous “Yeehaa” speech. You see where that got him?

Again, I implore you, let’s debate the issues and leave name calling out of the equation. When this election is part of history and President Bush is reelected, why have bad feelings toward other T-Men?

Roy –

As amusing as it is to see you twist yourself into a pretzel via the force of the apoplectic shock that our “idiot” President might fool a majority of America’s “idiot” (defined as not having your keen insights) electorate and get elected AGAIN, this fake memo story is far more interesting.

Mark Steyn certainly can turn a phrase…

http://www.suntimes.com/output/steyn/cst-edt-steyn12.html

CBS falls for Kerry campaign’s fake memo

September 12, 2004

BY MARK STEYN SUN-TIMES COLUMNIST

A few weeks ago, Thomas Oliphant of the Boston Globe was on PBS’ ‘‘Newshour’’ explaining why the hundreds of swift boat veterans’ allegations against John Kerry’s conduct in Vietnam was unworthy of his attention. “The standard of clear and convincing evidence,” he said, talking to Swiftvet John O’Neill as if he were a backward fourth-grader, ‘‘is what keeps this story in the tabloids – because it does not meet basic standards.’’

Last week, we got a good idea of what Thomas Oliphant’s ‘‘basic standards’’ are. Dan Rather and the elderly gentlemen at ‘‘60 Minutes’’ were all atwitter because they’d come into possession of some hitherto undiscovered memos relating to whether George W. Bush failed to show up for his physical in the War of 1812. The media had been flogging this dead horse all spring, but these newly ‘‘discovered’’ memos had jump-started the old nag just enough to get him on his knees long enough for the media to flog him all over again.

Unfortunately for CBS, Dan Rather’s hairdresser sucks up so much of the budget that there was nothing left for any fact-checking, so the ‘‘60 Minutes’’ crew rushed on air with a damning National Guard memo conveniently called ‘‘CYA’’ that Bush’s commanding officer had written to himself 32 years ago. ‘‘This was too hot not to push,’’ one producer told the American Spectator. Hundreds of living Swiftvets who’ve signed affidavits and are prepared to testify on camera – that’s way too cold to push; we’d want to fact-check that one thoroughly, till, say, midway through John Kerry’s second term. But a handful of memos by one dead guy slipped to us by a Kerry campaign operative – that meets ‘‘basic standards’’ and we gotta get it out there right away.

The only problem was the memo. Amazingly, this guy at the Air National Guard base, Lt. Col. Killian, had the only typewriter in Texas in 1973 using a prototype version of the default letter writing program of Microsoft Word, complete with the tiny little superscript thingy that automatically changes July 4th to July 4th. To do that on most 1973 typewriters, you had to unscrew the keys, grab a hammer and give them a couple of thwacks to make the ‘‘t’’ and ‘‘h’’ squish up all tiny, and even think it looked a bit wonky. You’d think having such a unique typewriter Killian would have used a less easily traceable model for his devastating ‘‘CYA’’ memo. Also, he might have chosen a font other than Times New Roman, designed for the Times of London in the 1930s and not licensed to Microsoft by Rupert Murdoch (the Times’ owner) until the 1980s.

Killian is no longer around to confirm his extraordinary Magic Typewriter, but his son denied the stuff was written by his dad, and his widow said her late husband never typed. So, on the one hand, we have hundreds of living veterans with chapter and verse on Kerry’s fantasy Christmas in Cambodia, and, on the other hand, we have a guy who’s been dead 20 years but is still capable of operating Windows XP. It took the savvy chappies at the Powerline Web site and Charles Johnson of ‘‘Little Green Footballs’’ about 20 minutes to spot the eerily 2004 look of the 1972 memo, and various Internet wallahs spent the rest of the day tracking down the country’s leading typewriter identification experts.

Bombarded with accusations that CBS had fallen for an obvious hoax, Dan turned to his trusty Smith-Corona and bashed out a few e-mails: ‘‘For the umpteenth time,’’ he said angrily, ''this is the kind of sleaze I had to put up with when they scoffed at ‘What’s the frequency, Kenneth?’ "

Are Dan Rather and ‘‘60 Minutes’’ a bunch of patsies suckered by the Kerry campaign? Not exactly. According to the American Spectator, ‘‘The CBS producer said that some alarm bells went off last week when the signatures and initials of Killian on the documents in hand did not match up with other documents available on the public record, but producers chose to move ahead with the story.’’

Hey, why not? Who’s gonna spot it? If CBS says it’s so, that’s good enough for Thomas Oliphant’s Boston Globe, the New York Times and the Washington Post, all of whom rushed the story onto their front pages because it met their ‘‘basic standards.’’ On Friday morning, Paul Krugman, the New York Times’ excitable economist, filed a column called, ‘‘The Dishonesty Thing,’’ and for one moment I thought he was about to upbraid CBS for rushing on air with their laughably fake memos. But no, he was droning on about how the National Guard story demonstrated George W. Bush’s ''pattern of lies: his assertions that he fulfilled his obligations when he obviously didn’t …"

The tragedy for Rather, Oliphant, Krugman and Co. is that even if the memos were authentic nobody would care. Their boy Kerry had a crummy August not because he didn’t hammer Bush for being AWOL in the Spanish-American War but because the senator’s AWOL in the present war. Big Media are trashing their own reputations in service to a man who can never win.

After the 2002 election, I wrote, ‘‘Remind me never to complain about ‘liberal media bias’ again. Right now, liberal media bias is conspiring to assist the Democrats to sleepwalk over the cliff.’’

The media and the Democrats sustain each other’s make-believe land. Dan Rather tells his staff, ‘‘Kerry’s told me there’s nothing to this Swiftvet thing.’’ Kerry tells his, ‘‘Rather’s assured me this Swiftvet story’s going nowhere.’’

George W. Bush ought to wake up every morning and thank the Lord the media aren’t on his side.

Remember the Hitler Diaries? They turned up in the '80s. Only problem is they weren’t by Hitler. But by then various prestige publications had paid a fortune to serialize them. Among them was the Sunday Times of London, owned by Murdoch, who wasn’t happy. He called the editor, Frank Giles, into his office, and said, ‘‘Frank, I’m promoting you to editor emeritus.’’

‘‘I’ve always wondered,’’ murmured Frank, ‘‘what ‘editor emeritus’ means.’’

‘‘The ‘e-’ means you’ve been given the elbow and the ‘-meritus’ means you bloody deserve it,’’ said Murdoch.

I have a feeling after November CBS News will be promoting Dan Rather to editor emeritus.

Either that, or next week’s ‘‘60 Minutes’’ – ‘‘Exclusive! Handwriting Expert Says Bush Wrote The Hitler Diaries!’’ – will have much better fact-checking.

BB:

I’m not the least bit surprised about the fake letter. CBS, NBC and ABC have been stooges for the democratic party for as long as I can remember!

The interesting thing now will be to watch how fast they all bury the story. They know Kerry can’t win and it’s just killing them.

Roy,

I feel sorry for you. How much money did you contribute to Kerry?

You seem to have come unhinged. It’s sad to see a disrespected member of this forum reduced to such depths.

A friendly word of advice, if you are tempted to forge papers from 1972, don’t use Microsoft Word.

I hope I’ve helped,

JeffR

It just keeps looking worse for CBS, Dan Rather and the Boston Globe…

Bush Guard papers ‘forged’

By Hugh Aynesworth
THE WASHINGTON TIMES

Published September 12, 2004

You scooped me yet again, BB.

If that document was created by someone on the Kerry camp, I agree that they should immediately be fired, and then brought up on charges for libel. We do not disagree there.

My beef with you people is completely seperate from this issue. I just think you guys are hypocrites. You attack anyone who doesn’t agree with your ideology. The second anyone reflects the same tactics which you have mastered, you all point fingers and talk about how uncivilized I am.

I have one speculation… It could be an issue of counter-intel. Someone from the Bush camp creates the documents and then leaks it to the doc-hungry dems, then they can quickly dismantle it. I don’t know if that happened or not. It could have just been a stupid member of the Bush camp trying to drive a final nail in Bush’s coffin, but really it wasn’t necessary. There are enough unforged documents to sink him withoug generating fakes. Shameful. Couldn’t have played better in to the Bush Camp’s hands any better!

I am sorry that I call you guys names. I would like for things to remain civil. Besides, I am a gym owner myself, and I want to go help Zeb on that other thread because he’s going to need some of my tips. I have been a PT for 17 years, and I’ve owned a club for over 12 years quite successfully. I have a lot to say on the subject, and I would share my advice freely if you’re interested in getting good tips from “the enemy”. If you can look past our idealogies, I have a lot of experience to share and a few questions you may not know to ask, and how to negetiate a better deal for you. I just scanned that threads’f first post and already have a bunch of ideas. What say we bury the hatchet and see if there is anything I can contribute to your current situation?

Roy:

Can’t speak for Zeb, but I always welcome civil discussion.

And, truth be told, you’ll do far more good as a gym owner and promoter of the T-lifestyle than you’ll do “bad” [my opinion, obviously] as a Kerry promoter, all things considered. If you were in the DC area, I would patronize your club.

Anyhow, here’s to the hope we can discuss things and keep it civil.

Now, back to the forgeries…

“Worse, Computer Science Professor Robert Cartwright of Rice University (hat tip: Hugh Hewitt) shows that the variable letter spacing based on the adjacency of letters found in CBS’s documents was computationally impossible on any mechanical device available in 1973. Modern word processing processing programs, like Microsoft Word, contain information in the font definition which, for example, tuck a small “i” under the overhang of a capital “T”. No mechanical typewriter then available could do this.”

http://belmontclub.blogspot.com/2004/09/modern-times-with-new-york-times.html

“I have one speculation… It could be an issue of counter-intel. Someone from the Bush camp creates the documents and then leaks it to the doc-hungry dems, then they can quickly dismantle it.”

This could only work if the “document hungry dems” and/or the anti-Bush CBS/NBC/ABC media could be counted on to lack integrity and to not fact check an obvious forgery.

Oh and Roy, an eye witness from Bush’s national Guard days:

"By Col. William Campenni The Washington Times | August 25, 2004

George Bush and I were lieutenants and pilots in the 111th Fighter Interceptor Squadron (FIS), Texas Air National Guard (ANG) from 1970 to 1971. We had the same flight and squadron commanders (Maj. William Harris and Lt. Col. Jerry Killian, both now deceased). While we were not part of the same social circle outside the base, we were in the same fraternity of fighter pilots, and proudly wore the same squadron patch.

It is quite frustrating to hear the daily cacophony from the left and Sen. John Kerry, Massachusetts Democrat, et al., about Lt. Bush escaping his military responsibilities by hiding in the Texas ANG. In the Air Guard during the Vietnam War, you were always subject to call-up, as many Air National Guardsmen are finding out today. If the 111th FIS and Lt. Bush did not go to Vietnam, blame President Johnson and Secretary of Defense Robert S. McNamara, not lowly Lt. Bush. They deliberately avoided use of the Guard and Reserves for domestic political calculations, knowing that a draftee only stirred up the concerns of one family, while a call-up got a whole community’s attention.

The mission of the 147th Fighter Group and its subordinate 111th FIS, Texas ANG, and the airplane it possessed, the F-102, was air defense. It was focused on defending the continental United States from Soviet nuclear bombers. The F-102 could not drop bombs and would have been useless in Vietnam. A pilot program using ANG volunteer pilots in F-102s (called Palace Alert) was scrapped quickly after the airplane proved to be unsuitable to the war effort. Ironically, Lt. Bush did inquire about this program but was advised by an ANG supervisor (Maj. Maurice Udell, retired) that he did not have the desired experience (500 hours) at the time and that the program was winding down and not accepting more volunteers.

If you check the 111th FIS records of 1970-72 and any other ANG squadron, you will find other pilots excused for career obligations and conflicts. The Bush excusal in 1972 was further facilitated by a change in the unit’s mission, from an operational fighter squadron to a training squadron with a new airplane, the F-101, which required that more pilots be available for full-time instructor duty rather than part-time traditional reservists with outside employment.

The winding down of the Vietnam War in 1971 provided a flood of exiting active-duty pilots for these instructor jobs, making part-timers like Lt. Bush and me somewhat superfluous. There was a huge glut of pilots in the Air Force in 1972, and with no cockpits available to put them in, many were shoved into nonflying desk jobs. Any pilot could have left the Air Force or the Air Guard with ease after 1972 before his commitment was up because there just wasn’t room for all of them anymore.

Sadly, few of today’s partisan pundits know anything about the environment of service in the Reserves in the 1970s. The image of a reservist at that time is of one who joined, went off for six months’ basic training, then came back and drilled weekly or monthly at home, with two weeks of “summer camp.” With the knowledge that Mr. Johnson and Mr. McNamara were not going to call out the Reserves, it did become a place of refuge for many wanting to avoid Vietnam.

There was one big exception to this abusive use of the Guard to avoid the draft, and that was for those who wanted to fly, as pilots or crew members. Because of the training required, signing up for this duty meant up to 2? years of active duty for training alone, plus a high probability of mobilization. A fighter-pilot candidate selected by the Guard (such as Lt. Bush and me) would be spending the next two years on active duty going through basic training (six weeks), flight training (one year), survival training (two weeks) and combat crew training for his aircraft (six to nine months), followed by local checkout (up to three more months) before he was even deemed combat-ready. Because the draft was just two years, you sure weren’t getting out of duty being an Air Guard pilot. If the unit to which you were going back was an F-100, you were mobilized for Vietnam. Avoiding service? Yeah, tell that to those guys.

The Bush critics do not comprehend the dangers of fighter aviation at any time or place, in Vietnam or at home, when they say other such pilots were risking their lives or even dying while Lt. Bush was in Texas. Our Texas ANG unit lost several planes right there in Houston during Lt. Bush’s tenure, with fatalities. Just strapping on one of those obsolescing F-102s was risking one’s life.

Critics such as Mr. Kerry (who served in Vietnam, you know), Terry McAuliffe and Michael Moore (neither of whom served anywhere) say Lt. Bush abandoned his assignment as a jet fighter pilot without explanation or authorization and was AWOL from the Alabama Air Guard.

Well, as for abandoning his assignment, this is untrue. Lt. Bush was excused for a period to take employment in Florida for a congressman and later in Alabama for a Senate campaign.

Excusals for employment were common then and are now in the Air Guard, as pilots frequently are in career transitions, and most commanders (as I later was) are flexible in letting their charges take care of career affairs until they return or transfer to another unit near their new employment. Sometimes they will transfer temporarily to another unit to keep them on the active list until they can return home. The receiving unit often has little use for a transitory member, especially in a high-skills category like a pilot, because those slots usually are filled and, if not filled, would require extensive conversion training of up to six months, an unlikely option for a temporary hire.

As a commander, I would put such “visitors” in some minor administrative post until they went back home. There even were a few instances when I was unaware that they were on my roster because the paperwork often lagged. Today, I can’t even recall their names. If a Lt. Bush came into my unit to “pull drills” for a couple of months, I wouldn’t be too involved with him because I would have a lot more important things on my table keeping the unit combat ready.

Another frequent charge is that, as a member of the Texas ANG, Lt. Bush twice ignored or disobeyed lawful orders, first by refusing to report for a required physical in the year when drug testing first became part of the exam, and second by failing to report for duty at the disciplinary unit in Colorado to which he had been ordered. Well, here are the facts:

First, there is no instance of Lt. Bush disobeying lawful orders in reporting for a physical, as none would be given. Pilots are scheduled for their annual flight physicals in their birth month during that month’s weekend drill assembly ? the only time the clinic is open. In the Reserves, it is not uncommon to miss this deadline by a month or so for a variety of reasons: The clinic is closed that month for special training; the individual is out of town on civilian business; etc.

If so, the pilot is grounded temporarily until he completes the physical. Also, the formal drug testing program was not instituted by the Air Force until the 1980s and is done randomly by lot, not as a special part of a flight physical, when one easily could abstain from drug use because of its date certain. Blood work is done, but to ensure a healthy pilot, not confront a drug user.

Second, there was no such thing as a “disciplinary unit in Colorado” to which Lt. Bush had been ordered. The Air Reserve Personnel Center in Denver is a repository of the paperwork for those no longer assigned to a specific unit, such as retirees and transferees. Mine is there now, so I guess I’m “being disciplined.” These “disciplinary units” just don’t exist. Any discipline, if required, is handled within the local squadron, group or wing, administratively or judicially. Had there been such an infraction or court-martial action, there would be a record and a reflection in Lt. Bush’s performance review and personnel folder. None exists, as was confirmed in The Washington Post in 2000.

Finally, the Kerrys, Moores and McAuliffes are casting a terrible slander on those who served in the Guard, then and now. My Guard career parallels Lt. Bush’s, except that I stayed on for 33 years. As a guardsman, I even got to serve in two campaigns. In the Cold War, the air defense of the United States was borne primarily by the Air National Guard, by such people as Lt. Bush and me and a lot of others. Six of those with whom I served in those years never made their 30th birthdays because they died in crashes flying air-defense missions.

While most of America was sleeping and Mr. Kerry was playing antiwar games with Hanoi Jane Fonda, we were answering 3 a.m. scrambles for who knows what inbound threat over the Canadian subarctic, the cold North Atlantic and the shark-filled Gulf of Mexico. We were the pathfinders in showing that the Guard and Reserves could become reliable members of the first team in the total force, so proudly evidenced today in Afghanistan and Iraq.

It didn’t happen by accident. It happened because back at the nadir of Guard fortunes in the early '70s, a lot of volunteer guardsman showed they were ready and able to accept the responsibilities of soldier and citizen ? then and now. Lt. Bush was a kid whose congressman father encouraged him to serve in the Air National Guard. We served proudly in the Guard. Would that Mr. Kerry encourage his children and the children of his colleague senators and congressmen to serve now in the Guard.

In the fighter-pilot world, we have a phrase we use when things are starting to get out of hand and it’s time to stop and reset before disaster strikes. We say, “Knock it off.” So, Mr. Kerry and your friends who want to slander the Guard: Knock it off.

COL. WILLIAM CAMPENNI (retired)

U.S. Air Force/Air National Guard Herndon, Va.5

Investors Business Daily
Editorial
September 13, 2004

When memos “surfaced” from President Bush’s commander in the Texas Air National Guard questioning Bush’s commitment to serve, CBS’ Dan Rather was all too ready to bite.

Now it appears the memos are going to bite back. They might just be fake. It all goes back to Wednesday, when CBS’ “60 Minutes” aired a segment by its star anchor, Dan Rather, that cited memos from the files of Bush’s commander, Lt. Col. Jerry Killian.

According to the memos, Bush didn’t want to take a physical, and Killian was urged to “sugarcoat” Bush’s military evaluations.

Killian died in 1984. His widow, Marjorie, says the memos don’t sound at all like her late husband. In fact, she says, he didn’t keep much in the way of files. What he did keep tended to be handwritten, she says.

Besides, she adds, her husband thought the young Bush was “an excellent aviator.” Why, then, would he write such a memo?

OK, maybe you don’t think a widow is a credible witness. How about a half-dozen document experts? Are they credible?

That’s how many experts ABC News assembled to inspect CBS’ memos. The experts concluded the memos look like forgeries.

Among the evidence: The memos were written in a typeface typewriters of the early '70s didn’t have. The apostrophes were curly ? again, not found on '70s typewriters. Numbers with superscripts ? the “th” in 187th ? are common in today’s word processing, but rare in typewriting.

Hmmmm. Could it be that CBS and Rather wanted to take Bush down a peg ? especially given the questions about John Kerry’s Vietnam service raised by the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth?

And could it be that CBS and Rather let their well-documented political leanings overrule their journalistic sense? Have they become just another hack voice in the political game?

Sadly, the answer seems to be yes. CBS’ bias made it vulnerable to a hoax that fit nicely with the network’s left-leaning culture.

Yet despite the evidence, Rather doesn’t sound contrite ? or even worried ? about either the validity of the documents or CBS’ credibility. “I know that this story is true,” he said. “I believe that the witnesses and documents are authentic.”

For its part, CBS says it won’t look further into the memo’s authenticity. “Contrary to some rumors, no internal investigation is under way at CBS News, nor is one planned. We have complete confidence in our reporting and will continue to pursue the story.”

Given the mounting evidence, it sounds like a stonewall to us.

Journalists need to own up to their mistakes publicly ? and not on page A32, near the truss ads, or on Saturday evening newscasts, when few people are watching.

It now appears CBS made a grievous mistake or knowingly relayed false information. If so, what credibility does it have left? Even an on-air correction won’t undo the damage.

CBS would go a lot further in restoring its credibility if it at least checked into the source and authenticity of the memos.

If it’s shown that Democrats or the Kerry campaign are the source ? as suggested by comments to the American Spectator by an unnamed Kerry staffer ? CBS better say so.

If the documents prove to be forgeries, resignations from Rather and CBS News President Andrew Heyward would be in order ? along with a sweeping review of ethical practices at a once-proud news organization.

A fair weighing of the evidence indicates the memos are forgeries, and that the former Lt. Gov. of Texas was lying about setting Bush up for a position in the Guard.

Here’s USA Today weighing the evidence on the memos:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/president/2004-09-12-bush-documents_x.htm

The question now is who fed the docs to CBS?

Roy:

I never considered you “the enemy.” We simply share different political beliefs. In fact, I bet we have much more in common than not!

I would love to read your advice on Gym operations (and purchasing). Please feel free to post on my other thread.

Also, thanks very much for the offer!

The most thorough technical debunking of the forged Bush memos to date:

http://www.flounder.com/bush.htm

More indicia that the forged memos came straight from the Democratic National Committee can be found here:

http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=7099

Here is the money excerpt:

[Begin excerpt] MEANWHILE, OVER THE WEEKEND journalists from around the country were attempting to track down the original source of the documents. “We’re having a hard time tracking how we got the documents,” says the CBS News producer. “There are at least two people in this building who have insisted we got copies of these memos from the Kerry campaign by way of an additional source. We do not have the originals, and our sources have indicated to us that we will not be getting the originals. How that is possible I don’t know.” [End excerpt]

Unfortunately, there is no link provided for the quote from the CBS News producer, so I can’t evaluate whether it is reliable. The CBS News producer is anonymously cited as such throughout the article.

One (admittedly partisan) source is identifying the CBS producer who first obtained the forged documents for CBS:

http://www.gopusa.com/news/2004/september/0913_mapes_documents.shtml

Key excerpt:

[Begin excerpt] WASHINGTON (Talon News) – Mary Mapes, a Dallas-based producer for CBS, has been identified by Talon News sources as the person who obtained the documents that suggest President George W. Bush did not fulfill his National Guard obligations 30 years ago. The documents, which have been judged to be forgeries by many news services and forensics experts, are at the center of a scandal that threatens the credibility of the network.

Late Friday, CBS spokesperson Kelli Edwards confirmed to Talon News that it was Mapes that obtained the documents (view documents here http://www.gopusa.com/news/2004/september/0910_service_documents.shtml
), but refused to comment on the questions surrounding their authenticity. Mapes did not respond to Talon News requests for comment. [End excerpt]

Of course, we still have no confirmation on who supplied the documents to CBS, but the picture is becoming more clear. We’ll see what develops.

As I said on another thread, there is no good argument in journalism ethics for witholding a source for FORGED documents.