If Your State Seceded

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

Why is the endurance of a union so important?[/quote]

Why is the endurance of a State so important? Why is the endurance of a human being so important? Things that exist strive to continue existing.

Also, because we as Americans enjoy hegemonic status, unparalleled prosperity and security, and singular international influence as a direct result of our federal organization. I’d love to see all of the people with their heads up their asses in rural bumfuck states that talk about secession as if it is a viable political maneuver after a few years of trying to fare in geopolitics of and for themselves. Good luck to the 40 states without a primate city.

Although if the South had been allowed to secede in the 19th century, the United states of America today would be far less obese and far more educated as a country. Statistically, that is.[/quote]

Yes, “more educated” by propaganda…statistically, that is.

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Lifty’s point is that a state should be allowed to secede from the union if it disagrees with whatever, a town should be allowed to secede from the state, the person from town, etc. down to the point where we have anarchy.

He’s really a one trick pony with this and it’s boring, hence why I’m trying to keep the thread out of the fantasyland filled with pussy anarchists he’s trying to drag it to.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
The ability to secede is actually crippling to a nation…[/quote]

What pain can you cause a nation?

Why is the endurance of a union so important?[/quote]

I think you misinterpreted my post.

The point was that the Confederacy, which was founded on “state’s rights” got bit in the ass by that philosophy, because trying to rally troops by drafting and trying to organize militias to fight under one flag became very difficult when the whole philosophy of the country was “no central government.”

It becomes a contradiction in terms- in order for the fledgling collection of states to survive against a united North, they had to band together and try to work things out through due process- which was exactly the reason that they’d seceded in the first place.

For some reason I recall the governor of Georgia giving Jefferson Davis an exceedingly hard time about this matter as well but I could be wrong.[/quote]

Finally, I agree with you. That is why I am all about me and side with no state.

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[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

Why is the endurance of a union so important?[/quote]

Why is the endurance of a State so important? Why is the endurance of a human being so important? Things that exist strive to continue existing.

Also, because we as Americans enjoy hegemonic status, unparalleled prosperity and security, and singular international influence as a direct result of our federal organization. I’d love to see all of the people with their heads up their asses in rural bumfuck states that talk about secession as if it is a viable political maneuver after a few years of trying to fare in geopolitics of and for themselves. Good luck to the 40 states without a primate city.

Although if the South had been allowed to secede in the 19th century, the United states of America today would be far less obese and far more educated as a country. Statistically, that is.[/quote]

You mean… they would no longer send their kids to die in wars overseas, would not be tied down by a bancrupt and overbearing state and could board a plane unmolested?

Dont wanna be a US citizen, but if Texas would have me Id be willing to visit a church every sunday.

If its absolutely necessary.

Plus, if someone wanted to blow shit up they could point to Mordor, um, Washington.

Also, u no have to worry, Texas will prolly sell you their BBQ sauces anyway, a resource of vital importance, I think we can all agree.

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

Finally, I agree with you. That is why I am all about me and side with no state.[/quote]

I really don’t care. You’re uninteresting. Please stop quoting my posts.

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[quote]orion wrote:

Also, u no have to worry, Texas will prolly sell you their BBQ sauces anyway, a resource of vital importance, I think we can all agree.[/quote]

No argument there. If not I would not hesitate to lead a military operation for the purpose of securing such a resource of vital national importance.

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[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

Why is the endurance of a union so important?[/quote]

Why is the endurance of a State so important? Why is the endurance of a human being so important? Things that exist strive to continue existing.

Also, because we as Americans enjoy hegemonic status, unparalleled prosperity and security, and singular international influence as a direct result of our federal organization. I’d love to see all of the people with their heads up their asses in rural bumfuck states that talk about secession as if it is a viable political maneuver after a few years of trying to fare in geopolitics of and for themselves. Good luck to the 40 states without a primate city.

Although if the South had been allowed to secede in the 19th century, the United states of America today would be far less obese and far more educated as a country. Statistically, that is.[/quote]

You make believe too much. Did you ever consider that being in a fat uneducated state would drive people to ponder sucession.

You talk about prosperity being the main reason for people to desire to preserve the union, then make fun of those who don’t have the prosperity for wanting to succeed.

Isn’t the fat dumb south a failure of the union? Does that not possibly insinuate they might be able to be better off under more direct self governance?

Your logic seems a little backward.

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

Why is the endurance of a union so important?[/quote]

Why is the endurance of a State so important? Why is the endurance of a human being so important? Things that exist strive to continue existing.

Also, because we as Americans enjoy hegemonic status, unparalleled prosperity and security, and singular international influence as a direct result of our federal organization. I’d love to see all of the people with their heads up their asses in rural bumfuck states that talk about secession as if it is a viable political maneuver after a few years of trying to fare in geopolitics of and for themselves. Good luck to the 40 states without a primate city.

Although if the South had been allowed to secede in the 19th century, the United states of America today would be far less obese and far more educated as a country. Statistically, that is.[/quote]

Yes, “more educated” by propaganda…statistically, that is.[/quote]

Please do cite this statistic of yours.

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[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

Also, u no have to worry, Texas will prolly sell you their BBQ sauces anyway, a resource of vital importance, I think we can all agree.[/quote]

No argument there. If not I would not hesitate to lead a military operation for the purpose of securing such a resource of vital national importance.[/quote]

Texas is sub par bar-b-que. There I said it.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Does that not possibly insinuate they might be able to be better off under more direct self governance?
[/quote]

I really, really doubt this. Blacks would certainly be having a pretty shitty time right about now had it not been for federal guidance over the past century.

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[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

Why is the endurance of a union so important?[/quote]

Why is the endurance of a State so important? Why is the endurance of a human being so important? Things that exist strive to continue existing.

Also, because we as Americans enjoy hegemonic status, unparalleled prosperity and security, and singular international influence as a direct result of our federal organization. I’d love to see all of the people with their heads up their asses in rural bumfuck states that talk about secession as if it is a viable political maneuver after a few years of trying to fare in geopolitics of and for themselves. Good luck to the 40 states without a primate city.

Although if the South had been allowed to secede in the 19th century, the United states of America today would be far less obese and far more educated as a country. Statistically, that is.[/quote]

Yes, “more educated” by propaganda…statistically, that is.[/quote]

Please do cite this statistic of yours.[/quote]

And site yours showing how things would have turned out if the south had won the war.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

Also, u no have to worry, Texas will prolly sell you their BBQ sauces anyway, a resource of vital importance, I think we can all agree.[/quote]

No argument there. If not I would not hesitate to lead a military operation for the purpose of securing such a resource of vital national importance.[/quote]

Texas is sub par bar-b-que. There I said it.[/quote]

A guy from Tennessee is one of the few people who can make this statement and be taken seriously. BBQ in those parts is fucking amazing.

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[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Does that not possibly insinuate they might be able to be better off under more direct self governance?
[/quote]

I really, really doubt this. Blacks would certainly be having a pretty shitty time right about now had it not been for federal guidance over the past century.[/quote]

I’ve been over this in past threads, but the government doesn’t change hearts and minds. You simply do not know.

It may have actually been a more complete and faster transition if it could have been more voluntary.

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[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

Also, u no have to worry, Texas will prolly sell you their BBQ sauces anyway, a resource of vital importance, I think we can all agree.[/quote]

No argument there. If not I would not hesitate to lead a military operation for the purpose of securing such a resource of vital national importance.[/quote]

Texas is sub par bar-b-que. There I said it.[/quote]

A guy from Tennessee is one of the few people who can make this statement and be taken seriously. BBQ in those parts is fucking amazing.[/quote]

Sadly, I must admit, Memphis is better than here (Nashville), but here is way better than Texas.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

Why is the endurance of a union so important?[/quote]

Why is the endurance of a State so important? Why is the endurance of a human being so important? Things that exist strive to continue existing.

Also, because we as Americans enjoy hegemonic status, unparalleled prosperity and security, and singular international influence as a direct result of our federal organization. I’d love to see all of the people with their heads up their asses in rural bumfuck states that talk about secession as if it is a viable political maneuver after a few years of trying to fare in geopolitics of and for themselves. Good luck to the 40 states without a primate city.

Although if the South had been allowed to secede in the 19th century, the United states of America today would be far less obese and far more educated as a country. Statistically, that is.[/quote]

Yes, “more educated” by propaganda…statistically, that is.[/quote]

Please do cite this statistic of yours.[/quote]

And site yours showing how things would have turned out if the south had won the war.[/quote]

That was not my statistic, obviously, because that stat doesn’t exist. Mine was the simple following calculation: Southern states are responsible for a disproportionate amount of both obesity and low education in America. The worst states for both cna be found in the South. Therefore, if the South were to secede today, the US’ stats on obesity and education would immediately improve.

It is undeniable and true, but it is entirely a joke. I like to kid the South. In reality I wouldn’t let you loveable bastards go, even if you tried.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

Also, u no have to worry, Texas will prolly sell you their BBQ sauces anyway, a resource of vital importance, I think we can all agree.[/quote]

No argument there. If not I would not hesitate to lead a military operation for the purpose of securing such a resource of vital national importance.[/quote]

Texas is sub par bar-b-que. There I said it.[/quote]

A guy from Tennessee is one of the few people who can make this statement and be taken seriously. BBQ in those parts is fucking amazing.[/quote]

Sadly, I must admit, Memphis is better than here (Nashville), but here is way better than Texas.[/quote]

I’m dreaming of pulled pork I had in Memphis once. I’m cutting right now, so this conversation is gonna have to stop immediately.

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[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

Why is the endurance of a union so important?[/quote]

Why is the endurance of a State so important? Why is the endurance of a human being so important? Things that exist strive to continue existing.

Also, because we as Americans enjoy hegemonic status, unparalleled prosperity and security, and singular international influence as a direct result of our federal organization. I’d love to see all of the people with their heads up their asses in rural bumfuck states that talk about secession as if it is a viable political maneuver after a few years of trying to fare in geopolitics of and for themselves. Good luck to the 40 states without a primate city.

Although if the South had been allowed to secede in the 19th century, the United states of America today would be far less obese and far more educated as a country. Statistically, that is.[/quote]

Yes, “more educated” by propaganda…statistically, that is.[/quote]

Please do cite this statistic of yours.[/quote]

And site yours showing how things would have turned out if the south had won the war.[/quote]

That was not my statistic, obviously, because that stat doesn’t exist. Mine was the simple following calculation: Southern states are responsible for a disproportionate amount of both obesity and low education in America. The worst states for both cna be found in the South. Therefore, if the South were to secede today, the US’ stats on obesity and education would immediately improve.

It is undeniable and true, but it is entirely a joke. I like to kid the South. In reality I wouldn’t let you loveable bastards go, even if you tried.[/quote]

But the current state of the south is also dictated by the result of the war.

I shoot at people driving down my driveway with tags from north of the Mason-Dixon line.

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Let’s revisit this around about, oh, 2025. When every penny of tax revenue goes to entitlement obligations and interest on the debt. That’s right, no courts or FBI. No military. No infrastructure spending, etc. There’s going to be some lines drawn in the sand over the philosophy informing us as a people, and the role of government.

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[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

Also, u no have to worry, Texas will prolly sell you their BBQ sauces anyway, a resource of vital importance, I think we can all agree.[/quote]

No argument there. If not I would not hesitate to lead a military operation for the purpose of securing such a resource of vital national importance.[/quote]

Texas is sub par bar-b-que. There I said it.[/quote]

A guy from Tennessee is one of the few people who can make this statement and be taken seriously. BBQ in those parts is fucking amazing.[/quote]

I would take Tennesse bbq over Texas bbq any day. Back to topic- I may be missing something but what power would a state have to succeed or revolt? Other than a citizen militia? Wouldnt the natl. military take care of such revolts fairly quickly?

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[quote]farmerson12 wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

Also, u no have to worry, Texas will prolly sell you their BBQ sauces anyway, a resource of vital importance, I think we can all agree.[/quote]

No argument there. If not I would not hesitate to lead a military operation for the purpose of securing such a resource of vital national importance.[/quote]

Texas is sub par bar-b-que. There I said it.[/quote]

A guy from Tennessee is one of the few people who can make this statement and be taken seriously. BBQ in those parts is fucking amazing.[/quote]

I would take Tennesse bbq over Texas bbq any day. Back to topic- I may be missing something but what power would a state have to succeed or revolt? Other than a citizen militia? Wouldnt the natl. military take care of such revolts fairly quickly?[/quote]

You think it would be easy for a soldier in the army to put down a revolt of US citizens, by force?