If you Hate Cops, this Story won't Change your Opinion

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[quote]MaddyD wrote:
necrondi wrote:
MaddyD wrote:
Mikeyali wrote:
necrondi wrote:
MaddyD wrote:
necrondi wrote:
pittbulll wrote:

My home town, could this have been handled differently ? I think so.

How would you have handled it?

you can sit here and say that there was a need for this typr of treatment?
i mean the guy was having fun tazering her,you can tell.

The question was how would you of handled it?

If you think he should of have dragged her out of the car then say it.
If you have another option then lets hear it.
Would you of said fuck it, fuck what ever law she broke and let her drive away, because she didn’t want to be arrested? Is that all it takes to not get arrested?
Life must be care free in your neck of the woods.
Whenever you fuck up, you just tell the po po you ain’t going to the shithouse tonight. Maybe for your own good you should pour over your state law books and see if that is an affirmative defense.

A credit to the profession this one.

On a side note, I’ve discovered that pouring over my state law books has actually put my ass in the pavement more than had I not. Then guys like you tell me I should have just shut up and worn my yellow star.

mike
this is so true.

knowing your rights is just another reason for someone to beat on you.

and no my life is not care free in my neck of the woods.
I have been placed in the hospital by officers and then said it was because i “aggravated the situation by speaking out”
I grew up unlike most everyone here.
the stories I can tell you but I will not tell you, are stories that only people like you see on hbo after dark.

its mainly the privileged little spineless fucks that side with the police,because you see people like me as a lesser human.and they are super human because they are taught that they are gods amongst men.

I have had more run ins with police for things that I did not do than any of you I bet.

its funny to me how people that have been pulled over once or twice have an opinion on all this.
but then people like myself that have had doors kicked in,teeth knocked out,bones broke and watched everyone else in the neighborhood they lived in get the same treatment have an opinion and its wrong.
the officers say they are trying to build a rapport, they are trying to make their presence known in the community
how we see it ,its abuse of power and its bullying.
this is why snipers take shots at officers.
if they helped people and they were such nice people then they would not get hurt
how many fireman get beat up or shot at,not so many, its a really insane person that will shoot an ambulance driver or a fireman, because they help people.
all it takes is the wrong person on the wrong day to shoot a cop.

my opinions are based on what I have seen with my own eyes and what I have felt with my own body.
spending days and weeks in a jail cell all to be told charges were dropped cause of lack of evidence.
you would think if there is no evidence then the person could not be able to make an arrest.
WRONG,police arrest now and the judge sorts it out.
and even after 6 solid months of an officer stalking me because I turned him into his boss for beating up on someone else, I was told if you don’t like the officer in your area then you need to move.
so I am to move out of my home because a man that works in the area is stalking and harassing me?
ya that’s fair isn’t it?
I ended up moving and once I did I have had no problems for over 10 years now.
is that not odd.
I have problems day in and day out with corrupt officers since I was a child and the day I move the problems vanish.

and its not because these were bad cops and the cops now are good ones, its not because I am a different person,
its because I moved away from people, I moved to an isolated part of the state with a total of 200 people in town.
there are no police for 3 hours of my home.

we are totally self policed here and its like day and night/

Just like Rambo.
If you lived in such a fucked neighborhood maybe you should be glad you left. Since you gave your resume I’lI give you a couple lines of mine. I live in the murder capitol of the USA. I’ve had a gun stuck in my face, and been shot, and shot at motherfuckers. If your going to tell me that you know me, well your wrong guy. If you lived where I lived, and had your non-policed utopia, it would be fucking anarchy. You could walk down the fucking street and keep the shoes on your feet, let alone raise a family.

Now that I informed you of how fucking hard I am(sarcasm).
One of you boys want to tell me how you would of handled the women in the video?

isnt it nice when you know everything and live behind a keyboard?

Because YOU know everything right! Your really telling me I live behind a keyboard when Ive posted 10 times in 3 years and you got how many in a six months? You can’t even answer the question I asked and this is your third response.

so where your from, police actually protect you?
Guy a live in a city with about 4 million people and lot of them do a lot of fucked up shit. They have got more things on their plate then getting into a pissing match with Jethro beacuse he drives a Chevy and they like Ford.
they are so great then why is it the “murder capital”?
It is the “murder capital” because it had the most murders in the USA.
I know that was a tough one for you. Your logic is flawed. It seems that you have never grasped the concept of being accountable for your own actions. Your going to blame the police if some asshole shoots another asshole. What is this Minority Report(that is a movie, I know your stuck in the woods).
why is the crime rate so high if they are indeed doing such a bang up job?
See above.
why would you be living in a bad neighborhood if they were out to protect the public?
I don’t know what this question means? There are good neighborhoods and bad ones, the police are in both. What are you asking.
and no im not glad that a bunch of bullies pushed me out of my home.
Your really telling me that the police made you move? Really? It wasn’t a Chevy vs.Ford thang. FUCKED UP. Too bad for you, maybe when the police leave you can go back.
So putting all that bullshit aside do want to answer the question?

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[quote]bunny7568 wrote:
I would have liked to see the entire video, not just those portions spliced together by the media and an internet site named “Abuse of Power”-- for the puposes of gaining extra viewers and creating a mountain out of a molehill.

It appears to me that she is intoxicated, and being pulled from the driver’s seat of that SUV after refusing to exit.

What happened before this? Was she involved in an accident? Did she fail to remain at the scene? Did she run over a pedestrian?

And if she is being non-compliant, what would you rather the arresting officer do… jump on her, strike her numerous times with hand/ feet and or baton until she was handcuffed?

It appeared to me from the limited video that the officer was alone and that there were numerous other people “milling” about. And even after she was handcuffed she was trying to kick the windows out of the cruiser.

The officer wrestling on the ground with an irate intoxicated female would have/ could have put himself and other persons in even more danger if someone were to grab his firearm.

I will reserve my judgement on the actions of this officer until I gain further information of this incident.

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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/09/25/national/main3294648.shtml?source=mostpop_story

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:

making a universal statement that all cops are bad or even 90% of the cops are bad just throws the rest of what you are saying into the wind.

of course cops use racial/ethnic/gender/age/local profiling as do marketing firms, hiring firms, media, etc.

and as do individuals, we judge people based on past experiences with those of similar circumstances… even if you say you don’t, you do, it’s a subconscious act

No one says all cops are bad ; just what percentage is being debated

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you didn’t say all cops were bad, but a couple of posters did and also threw MPs under the bus

check out turbomysterio =)

but it’s good to know that most of you realize that not all cops are bad.

I am glad they are out there, I am glad there are dashboard cams, and I know there are good cops and bad cops, but I think there are more good, than bad

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[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:

making a universal statement that all cops are bad or even 90% of the cops are bad just throws the rest of what you are saying into the wind.

of course cops use racial/ethnic/gender/age/local profiling as do marketing firms, hiring firms, media, etc.

and as do individuals, we judge people based on past experiences with those of similar circumstances… even if you say you don’t, you do, it’s a subconscious act

No one says all cops are bad ; just what percentage is being debated

you didn’t say all cops were bad, but a couple of posters did and also threw MPs under the bus

check out turbomysterio =)

but it’s good to know that most of you realize that not all cops are bad.

I am glad they are out there, I am glad there are dashboard cams, and I know there are good cops and bad cops, but I think there are more good, than bad

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As far as the M.P.s I was going to join the military in the mid to late 70? the Recruiters told me if you like to fight the M.P.s is where you should go.I personally do not want the police to become the enemy, and as they expand their net to catch the bad guys they are going to alienate the good people.

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The irony of me getting the story from CBS news is I checked the local paper the Warren Tribune Chronicle and the search come up with zero results, maybe I did not type in the right or enough info, but I am betting the police have a great deal of control of that paper.

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[quote]necrondi wrote:
MaddyD wrote:
necrondi wrote:
MaddyD wrote:
Mikeyali wrote:
necrondi wrote:
MaddyD wrote:
necrondi wrote:
pittbulll wrote:

My home town, could this have been handled differently ? I think so.

How would you have handled it?

you can sit here and say that there was a need for this typr of treatment?
i mean the guy was having fun tazering her,you can tell.

The question was how would you of handled it?

If you think he should of have dragged her out of the car then say it.
If you have another option then lets hear it.
Would you of said fuck it, fuck what ever law she broke and let her drive away, because she didn’t want to be arrested? Is that all it takes to not get arrested?
Life must be care free in your neck of the woods.
Whenever you fuck up, you just tell the po po you ain’t going to the shithouse tonight. Maybe for your own good you should pour over your state law books and see if that is an affirmative defense.

A credit to the profession this one.

On a side note, I’ve discovered that pouring over my state law books has actually put my ass in the pavement more than had I not. Then guys like you tell me I should have just shut up and worn my yellow star.

mike
this is so true.

knowing your rights is just another reason for someone to beat on you.

and no my life is not care free in my neck of the woods.
I have been placed in the hospital by officers and then said it was because i “aggravated the situation by speaking out”
I grew up unlike most everyone here.
the stories I can tell you but I will not tell you, are stories that only people like you see on hbo after dark.

its mainly the privileged little spineless fucks that side with the police,because you see people like me as a lesser human.and they are super human because they are taught that they are gods amongst men.

I have had more run ins with police for things that I did not do than any of you I bet.

its funny to me how people that have been pulled over once or twice have an opinion on all this.
but then people like myself that have had doors kicked in,teeth knocked out,bones broke and watched everyone else in the neighborhood they lived in get the same treatment have an opinion and its wrong.
the officers say they are trying to build a rapport, they are trying to make their presence known in the community
how we see it ,its abuse of power and its bullying.
this is why snipers take shots at officers.
if they helped people and they were such nice people then they would not get hurt
how many fireman get beat up or shot at,not so many, its a really insane person that will shoot an ambulance driver or a fireman, because they help people.
all it takes is the wrong person on the wrong day to shoot a cop.

my opinions are based on what I have seen with my own eyes and what I have felt with my own body.
spending days and weeks in a jail cell all to be told charges were dropped cause of lack of evidence.
you would think if there is no evidence then the person could not be able to make an arrest.
WRONG,police arrest now and the judge sorts it out.
and even after 6 solid months of an officer stalking me because I turned him into his boss for beating up on someone else, I was told if you don’t like the officer in your area then you need to move.
so I am to move out of my home because a man that works in the area is stalking and harassing me?
ya that’s fair isn’t it?
I ended up moving and once I did I have had no problems for over 10 years now.
is that not odd.
I have problems day in and day out with corrupt officers since I was a child and the day I move the problems vanish.

and its not because these were bad cops and the cops now are good ones, its not because I am a different person,
its because I moved away from people, I moved to an isolated part of the state with a total of 200 people in town.
there are no police for 3 hours of my home.

we are totally self policed here and its like day and night/

Just like Rambo.
If you lived in such a fucked neighborhood maybe you should be glad you left. Since you gave your resume I’lI give you a couple lines of mine. I live in the murder capitol of the USA. I’ve had a gun stuck in my face, and been shot, and shot at motherfuckers. If your going to tell me that you know me, well your wrong guy. If you lived where I lived, and had your non-policed utopia, it would be fucking anarchy. You could walk down the fucking street and keep the shoes on your feet, let alone raise a family.

Now that I informed you of how fucking hard I am(sarcasm).
One of you boys want to tell me how you would of handled the women in the video?

isnt it nice when you know everything and live behind a keyboard?

Because YOU know everything right! Your really telling me I live behind a keyboard when Ive posted 10 times in 3 years and you got how many in a six months? You can’t even answer the question I asked and this is your third response.

so where your from, police actually protect you?
Guy a live in a city with about 4 million people and lot of them do a lot of fucked up shit. They have got more things on their plate then getting into a pissing match with Jethro beacuse he drives a Chevy and they like Ford.
they are so great then why is it the “murder capital”?
It is the “murder capital” because it had the most murders in the USA.
I know that was a tough one for you. Your logic is flawed. It seems that you have never grasped the concept of being accountable for your own actions. Your going to blame the police if some asshole shoots another asshole. What is this Minority Report(that is a movie, I know your stuck in the woods).
why is the crime rate so high if they are indeed doing such a bang up job?
See above.
why would you be living in a bad neighborhood if they were out to protect the public?
I don’t know what this question means? There are good neighborhoods and bad ones, the police are in both. What are you asking.
and no im not glad that a bunch of bullies pushed me out of my home.
Your really telling me that the police made you move? Really? It wasn’t a Chevy vs.Ford thang. FUCKED UP. Too bad for you, maybe when the police leave you can go back.
So putting all that bullshit aside do want to answer the question?

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did you see I answered your question?

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[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:

making a universal statement that all cops are bad or even 90% of the cops are bad just throws the rest of what you are saying into the wind.

of course cops use racial/ethnic/gender/age/local profiling as do marketing firms, hiring firms, media, etc.

and as do individuals, we judge people based on past experiences with those of similar circumstances… even if you say you don’t, you do, it’s a subconscious act

No one says all cops are bad ; just what percentage is being debated

you didn’t say all cops were bad, but a couple of posters did and also threw MPs under the bus

check out turbomysterio =)

but it’s good to know that most of you realize that not all cops are bad.

I am glad they are out there, I am glad there are dashboard cams, and I know there are good cops and bad cops, but I think there are more good, than bad

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Out of curiosity have you ever avoided a confrontation with the Cops because you were an attractive young lady?

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[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:

making a universal statement that all cops are bad or even 90% of the cops are bad just throws the rest of what you are saying into the wind.

of course cops use racial/ethnic/gender/age/local profiling as do marketing firms, hiring firms, media, etc.

and as do individuals, we judge people based on past experiences with those of similar circumstances… even if you say you don’t, you do, it’s a subconscious act

No one says all cops are bad ; just what percentage is being debated

you didn’t say all cops were bad, but a couple of posters did and also threw MPs under the bus

check out turbomysterio =)

but it’s good to know that most of you realize that not all cops are bad.

I am glad they are out there, I am glad there are dashboard cams, and I know there are good cops and bad cops, but I think there are more good, than bad

[/quote]

Whoa there hot momma! Firstly, I did mention that I knew of one officer that I would take a bullet for. The man actually does his job. He actually exercises discretion! He was also a powerlifter with a colossal raw bench, the exact number escapes me. I also must add that there might possibly be other trully honorable officers of the law.

Men and women that do their job and protect and serve the community. Tragically, throughout my life I’ve only met one of them. To further add to the mix, the mostly racial diversity challenged and POS cops I’ve met are the “indoor” versions of people of color. (Look up indoor slave and you’ll get my meaning) So in conclusion, I testify that all cops aren’t bad, but regardless outmost caution must be taken when dealing with their kind for that stop or interaction might be the last time you’ll be seen alive.

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Pittbull…
Thankyou for providing the link for further information regarding this incident.

After reading further, and watching the video several times, in my humble opinion the officer initially has probable cause in the level of force demonstrated… but quickly oversteps the boundaries shortly there after.

When the female accused is then placed in the rear of the cruiser, and begins to damage the interior, the use of the taser is again justifiable to stop her actions.

The officer, when transferring the female accused to another more secure mode of transportation errs again, by allowing her to exit the vehicle un-escorted. In the video it is plain to see that he does not have control of the female accused at any time, and she is at least 6-10 feet away from the arresting officer and gaining distance on him.

His use of the taser could have been avoided at this time, if he had simply kept control of her, waited for another officer to attend for the purposes of escort or simply ran after her. I am sure he could have caught an intoxicated handcuffed accused party.

What we have not heard is the officers side of the story… but…

?Had he been here we would have pursued the matter,? she told CBS Affiliate WKBN ?We believe there was probable cause. We believe should he testify the charges would be substantiated. But without his testimony we cannot prove the charges against her.?

With the D.A. making this statement, this tells me there was more to the story.

Should the officer be charged/ fined and or fired? In my opinion, yes… there warrants punitive action here.

On the same note, the female accused must also be held accountable for her actions, and should be charged as well. I see both parties in the wrong to varying degrees.

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

Out of curiosity have you ever avoided a confrontation with the Cops because you were an attractive young lady?

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I did get a speeding ticket last year, the cop lowered the speed I was going, but I still got a ticket. I haven’t committed any crimes so I haven’t encountered cops except in social situations. I know some law enforcement officers and those I like as good people.

I know cops are people and there are good and bad people. I don’t categorize all Arabs, I don’t categorize all inner city youths, I don’t categorize all people. There are good and bad.

This was a bad decision and an abuse by a bad cop. This does not mean all cops are bad.

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[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
pittbulll wrote:

Out of curiosity have you ever avoided a confrontation with the Cops because you were an attractive young lady?

I did get a speeding ticket last year, the cop lowered the speed I was going, but I still got a ticket. I haven’t committed any crimes so I haven’t encountered cops except in social situations. My dad’s best friend was a police chief before he passed away and my brother was an MP in the army, and is currently an investigator for the state, and my cousin is a federal officer. I know some law enforcement officers and those I like as good people.

I know cops are people and there are good and bad people. I don’t categorize all Arabs, I don’t categorize all inner city youths, I don’t categorize all people. There are good and bad.

This was a bad decision and an abuse by a bad cop. This does not mean all cops are bad.

[/quote]

Most good looking women I know have had favors from cops that I have never received, not that I want a Ghey police force.
I am opposed to the war on drugs because it gives the cops the right to be suspicious of anybody. I think most cops are good people , I think they put the cart before the horse in many situations , They are supposed to be public servants , in my opinion they should never detain some one unless absolutely necessary. And if they do they should make communication paramount. It should not be the place of the presumed innocent person to make their case as why they are innocent. It should be the case of the cop to explain why they are being detained
If you watch Cops you will see the cops set up a sting at a crack house and every body that come up to that house will be tackled cuffed and then all the cops will congratulate each other for abusing the perp. In my opinion the show cops regularly show cops abusing their power, detaining, harassing and abusing the sometimes not even suspect.

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
pittbulll wrote:

Out of curiosity have you ever avoided a confrontation with the Cops because you were an attractive young lady?

I did get a speeding ticket last year, the cop lowered the speed I was going, but I still got a ticket. I haven’t committed any crimes so I haven’t encountered cops except in social situations. My dad’s best friend was a police chief before he passed away and my brother was an MP in the army, and is currently an investigator for the state, and my cousin is a federal officer. I know some law enforcement officers and those I like as good people.

I know cops are people and there are good and bad people. I don’t categorize all Arabs, I don’t categorize all inner city youths, I don’t categorize all people. There are good and bad.

This was a bad decision and an abuse by a bad cop. This does not mean all cops are bad.

Most good looking women I know have had favors from cops that I have never received, not that I want a Ghey police force.
I am opposed to the war on drugs because it gives the cops the right to be suspicious of anybody. I think most cops are good people , I think they put the cart before the horse in many situations , They are supposed to be public servants , in my opinion they should never detain some one unless absolutely necessary. And if they do they should make communication paramount. It should not be the place of the presumed innocent person to make their case as why they are innocent. It should be the case of the cop to explain why they are being detained
If you watch Cops you will see the cops set up a sting at a crack house and every body that come up to that house will be tackled cuffed and then all the cops will congratulate each other for abusing the perp. In my opinion the show cops regularly show cops abusing their power, detaining, harassing and abusing the sometimes not even suspect.

[/quote]

you think cops should be more polite and restrained when arresting unknown, could-be crackheads, buying crack at a crack house?

well…

alrighty then “… never the twain shall meet …”

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[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
pittbulll wrote:

Out of curiosity have you ever avoided a confrontation with the Cops because you were an attractive young lady?

I did get a speeding ticket last year, the cop lowered the speed I was going, but I still got a ticket. I haven’t committed any crimes so I haven’t encountered cops except in social situations. My dad’s best friend was a police chief before he passed away and my brother was an MP in the army, and is currently an investigator for the state, and my cousin is a federal officer. I know some law enforcement officers and those I like as good people.

I know cops are people and there are good and bad people. I don’t categorize all Arabs, I don’t categorize all inner city youths, I don’t categorize all people. There are good and bad.

This was a bad decision and an abuse by a bad cop. This does not mean all cops are bad.

Most good looking women I know have had favors from cops that I have never received, not that I want a Ghey police force.
I am opposed to the war on drugs because it gives the cops the right to be suspicious of anybody. I think most cops are good people , I think they put the cart before the horse in many situations , They are supposed to be public servants , in my opinion they should never detain some one unless absolutely necessary. And if they do they should make communication paramount. It should not be the place of the presumed innocent person to make their case as why they are innocent. It should be the case of the cop to explain why they are being detained
If you watch Cops you will see the cops set up a sting at a crack house and every body that come up to that house will be tackled cuffed and then all the cops will congratulate each other for abusing the perp. In my opinion the show cops regularly show cops abusing their power, detaining, harassing and abusing the sometimes not even suspect.

you think cops should be more polite and restrained when arresting unknown, could-be crackheads, buying crack at a crack house?

well…

alrighty then “… never the twain shall meet …”

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I am sorry, why the reference to a Boris Karloff movie? And yes I think Cops should be more respectful of suspects. What if someone had the wrong address?

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
This story struck a chord with me because, as I related on one of the “bad cop” threads on PWI, I was threatened with arrest and jail once when I was pulled over for speeding in Colorado and I questioned the officer’s calibration on his radar gun.

The arrogant bastard tossed his weight around the same way this cocksucker did. And I was far calmer and composed then Mr. Moats. The crooked bastard just thought I should be a quiet and humble little lamb and not insinuate that the county’s revenue enhancement program’s tools might not be entirely accurate.[/quote]

Push,

Add the Teneha police to your archives. File them under abuse of power:

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I can’t remember if Rodney King has been raised in this thread (been a long time since I looked at it), but as much as I think police sometimes abuse their powers, and I can’t forgive their compliance in the atrocity that is the drug war, I don’t think the attack on Rodney King was anything near what it was particularly bad at all. Look at the guys rap sheet. Read what was revealed in court about how he was acting. Pay attention to how he continually tries to get up when they are trying to make him lie down.

The only problem I see is that the one officer the jurors felt was acting in an illegal way never got charged.
Someone who attacks his wife while she is asleep, and then scares her so much that she goes to the police to say she is in fear of her life hardly deserves polite treatment.

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Only nice cop I ever met had moved from New York city. Straight arrow. Came down to help with Katrina, stayed because he wanted a change. Immediately took a dislike to the area, the pay, the way he was treated by locals, and the behavior of his fellow officers.

He stuck around because he agreed to do a job, and he can’t see taking a job and not giving it at least a year. The job, you see, is a promise. It’s an opportunity to help someone.

He didn’t last long.

One cop I knew from the gym, the old days. I was in high school on the track team. Distance running. I was benching one day, he was set-up behind my bench, talking with his friends between sets. A piece of the conversation was “the motherfucker had a 3lbs brick in the fucking trunk. I told his ass, he can get separated from it, or from his fucking family. Let me tell you boys, that was some good shit.” I remember that specifically, the details change whenever I think of it.

One time, I took a shine to a guys wife. He caught us, got pissy, we went our separate ways. Six months later, crazy fucker calls me outta the blue, threatens me, my family. So, I go file a report, get a protection order. Cop that takes my statement is half way cool. Detective that follows up, he lets me know I “deserve whatever I got coming, and don’t expect the law enforcement to keep me from seeing justice.” A paraphrase, but the intent was such. For the next eight months, I would be stopped once or twice a week, have my vehicle searched. Never ticketed or received a warning, verbal or written. Was told they “were just making sure I’m staying on the straight and narrow.”

Was shown the fully loaded and unholstered weapon of an LEO and told in detail what it did to people who “didn’t stay out of trouble.”

Thanks to the nice cops out there, the ones who do it and stay cool. I sincerely hope each and every abuser of law enforcement authority meets an angry civilian with a bat and a mean streak.