This is largely true, which is totally fair to point out. These situations practically beg for a conspiracy theory, which is all the more concerning when evidence to disprove the theory is refused to be produced. It’s suspicious, but not a smoking gun.
I think the exact same could be said about Hobbs too though, no? She refused to debate and barely campaigned at all… her platform was “lake is an extremist so vote for me” and it worked apparently.
I already nodded to the point that polling data is often inaccurate, but almost always skewed one way. Perhaps this was one of the few exceptions where a republican candidate fared worse on election day than in the polls, but I think it is doubtful (obviously).
Still agree that banking on denying election results is a pretty bad message to campaign on, for many obvious reasons.
Unless I’m mistaken, this election was unusual because republicans faring worse than the polls seemed to be the norm.
IMHO, the Dobbs/abortion thing this year was like the Trump thing in 2016. Nobody wanted to be the “dummie” saying abortion was their #1 issue rather than inflation, like everyone in the media was telling them. (like in 2016 nobody wanted to admit they liked Trump)
well, this is why I asked specifically what could, in your mind, disprove it now. I don’t know what, exactly, is being refused. What’s being held back? What isn’t being looked at? Like, how do you review a claim of ‘a whole bunch of people voted 4 times?’ And again… not every complaint needs to be entertained, particularly when there is a lack of ANY supporting evidence. Like, let’s say a neighbor said I stole a package off their porch. What lengths am I expected to go to in order to prove I didn’t steal their package? Am I supposed to hand over my Ring video history, just to show I didn’t steal something that I already know I didn’t steal? Do I need to allow a police officer to look through my house for the missing items? How about my office? I think you see my point. If the accuser doesn’t present a shred of evidence, no response is really necessary.
exactly. There are some general statistics that would indicate that Lake was an outlier in this election, but there are also statistics that would indicate her results were within the norm, given everything else that happened in THIS election.
We have a general polling problem right now, and I’m not sure how it gets ‘solved’. But polls are having a hell of a time predicting reasonably accurate results in the Trump era.
And had the conversation gone like this, I think this thread would have gone a different direction and my opinion of you untarnished.
These specific claims? I would say that i’m willing to entertain the idea of them being true, but need evidence to support them. If there are reports (with substance) of election fraud, I believe they should be fully investigated so they can be either proven or disproven…
If you said “I think you swept dirt under the rug over there” and I went and did everything to stop you from looking under the rug while calling you “crazy”, it would look pretty suspicious. That’s what this whole ‘election denier’ branding feels like.
I admit I was rooting for Lake (no idea of her qualifications lol) because she loved taking shots at the media (I know she was an anchor or something), and I loved listening to her because she was so good at it!
That said, with the benefit of hindsight, I’m glad she “lost” (quotes for you @Andrewgen_Receptors LOL), because I have no doubts that Trump would’ve leveraged her position for his benefit vis a vis Rep. Party stature. With Lake as AZ governor in his corner (probably his VP choice imo), he would’ve been a big favorite to get the 2024 nomination IMO. I definitely do not want an Orange 2024.
I think Hobbs ran the type of campaign that was going to get her elected. And it worked. I don’t think she was a bad candidate, though. I separate, at least to some degree, quality of candidate from quality of campaign. Hobbs was a state senator, and a secretary of state, with a history in social work. Lake was a TV news anchor riding Trump’s coattails.
In the case of Hobbs’ campaign, it could probably be said that… less is more.
No, but this is the difference between you and the government. You aren’t required to serve the people around you, but the government - when questioned - probably should be more forthright in information sharing. I don’t think it’s unreasonable at all to ask for election integrity verification methods, but I do think it’s ridiculous for you to go open doors in your proposed scenario.
I promised myself to never post in one of these types of threads on T-Nation. But I do have to point out as a scientist this is not true at all. You are getting this presumably from a p-value, which is used to test null hypotheses and not counting something like actual ballots. To be fair, p-values and statistical significance are difficult to understand. But don’t take this to mean that if the Golden State Warriors beat the Los Angeles Lakers 103 - 99 that the difference is statistically insignificant and we can’t confidently declare the GSW the winners.
I’d be fine with Trump being re-elected, but no one voted for Biden, they voted against trump. The left could have fronted Big Bird and we’d have an overgrown chicken in the white house… I see no reason why this wouldn’t repeat in 2024.
Started as a long range shooting channel years ago. Actually has an awesome extremely detailed series on the matter. Like hour long discussion on terminal ballistics. The channel has morphed over the years. He has some good stuff to say on current events from time to time.
They also voted against Clinton. Although she still won the popular vote. Trump made the mistake of not making an attempt to be likable to those who voted against him after he had won. He was a poor winner, and poor loser.
Of course he didn’t. He challenged the results, many states turned him down, and whether or not he wanted to admit defeat - he had no choice at that point. No different than Gore… not sure what you’re getting at here, but i guess i never ‘get’ your point. It’s a byproduct of you being the forever opposing party.
I’d argue that more people voted against Trump 2020 than against Clinton 2016, but who knows?
I know without doing any research on the matter though, that any “current event monologue” videos that are shot in a truck or out in a park somewhere are 100% the result of some dudes wife telling him to do that shit elsewhere.
there are anomalies happening in repeated election cycles that tend to lean in one direction.
anyone who questions these anomalies is immediately branded an election denier Q Anon whack job.
laws are being changed on the day of the election as if foresight doesn’t exist.
Gore got the same consideration through the courts; it was thoroughly investigated, and evidence made public. That election had anomalies that deserved to be scrutinized, and they were… i don’t see why it’s absurd to ask for the same thing here.
I think with the announcement earlier this week, and the fact that he has lost popularity generally with the GoP, that there is a reasonable chance that we see an independent run from Trump. I could also see Trump winning the GoP nomination, because although he isn’t broadly popular, his supporters support him hardcore, and a large percent will vote for him in the primary.
I guess it comes down to can DeSantis beat Trump in the primary. I think he would get more votes in the general, but the primary is a different animal. If DeSantis can beat him in the primary, I think there is a high probability of a Trump independent run.
YES! I’m glad someone else thinks this, lol. This was one of my first thoughts. He’s almost certainly going to TRY to represent the Republican party, but if he doesn’t get their nomination, I just can’t see him dropping out of the race. That’s not him.
I think that if we see a zillion Republican candidates vying for the nomination, like we did when he won his first nomination, he has a really good chance of coming out on top. I think if it’s like, Desantis, Trump, and another guy or 2, the party will coalesce around Desantis, and he’ll get the nomination. In that scenario, I can absolutely see Trump running as a MAGA party candidate.
To be honest, I started to feel like this was coming 10-15 years ago. More or less when the tea party was coming into prominence, and we started seeing a real split between more traditional conservatives, and the precursors to Trump. I said at the time that by 2030, the party will have split. I still believe that is inevitable, and this may be when it happens.