[quote]Hylde wrote:
Horazio wrote:
joburnet wrote:
You want real problems then take your vacation and go to Sudan for a little while, then you’ll know real problems…
Word.
People who live in the first world and complaint about their countries,government etc etc should be deported to some fucking chaotic african country.
So that they learn to see things in perspective.
So you are saying you can’t complain about ANYTHING, because there will always be someone in this world who are having bigger problems?
I don’t see why OP deserves to be flamed this much? It’s like people turn all aggressive because they feel he insulted their country. All he did was complaining about his current country, and asking if Canada would be a better place.
OP: I think you will experience the same thing in most other countries.
[quote]smatsushima1 wrote:
I’m starting to hate America for its selfish greed and its overwhelming obsession about money. My dad is one year away from losing his job because his company is selling the mainframe computer to India and are absolutely not letting anyone know about it the managers aren’t saying one thing to their employees because they only want their job to be safe and no one else. I really don’t like where this nation is heading in terms of its economy, which I guess fuels everything.
So how is life in Canada? How much different is it? Weather, economy, job growth, education, etc. Cost of living especially. High or low?[/quote]
I’ve got news for you: greed is what makes capitalism work.
If you don’t like the way the economy is heading, try to convince your legislators to cut deficit spending, which drives inflation.
If you want to move to another part of the world, knock yourself out. The problems you see here will be waiting for you there, just amplified 10-100 fold.
[quote]IMO, we need land redistribution and a revitalization of the small-farm. This would give low end workers the ability to work with dignity and provide quality goods to the rich service sector. Farms could sell 6$ a dozen pasture raised eggs of the highest quality for 6-8 $ a dozen without doing any damage to the economy. This is just an example, but the way our country is headed we need to look for examples from countries in Europe that already have adopted a “post-consumerist” lifestyle for a large portion of the population.
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Hasn’t Evo Morales done the same thing recently? Seems like I heard of some big land grab in south America recently. Oh yeah, and Zimbabwe (Rhodesia) and now South Africa as well. Those are some garden spots…
Europe has a socialist economic model, which is why they don’t consume a ton - they don’t have any money and unemployment is high.
Changes are coming. The only constant in life is change but I cannot believe you are proposing seizing land and forcing people to become small farmers.
People have been fleeing farming for generations!
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Land redistribution doesn’t need to look like what Chavez is doing. It can be done fairly. Anyway, it’s just one idea. The point is that low-end service jobs aren’t satisfying to the ego or the pocketbook and are becoming increasingly the ONLY option available for many people.
I am wondering about the European “post consumerist” life style.
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It’s when you can let the USA protect you and your governments can spend your money on more interesting things than military. Who is going to protect the USA if we stop funding the military so much is the real question.
This is exactly why city folk need to stay as far away from farm issues as possible.
The small farm is the most inefficient way to grow crops there is.
I have no idea when the answer to America’s problems became small farms and pasture raised chickens, but it is undeniable that the origin of it started with city folk thinking they know a damn thing about farming. [/quote]
Although I live in DC presently, I am not exactly “city folk” big guy. We still own hundreds of acres in Denny Hastert’s district in Illinois and I grew up on farms and in the city.
Now, I’ve never been to Texas so I don’t know shit-all about your economy, but THE WHOLE POINT of small farms is that they are inefficient, that’s the interesting thing about them IMO. They can provide people with satisfying work that walmart can not. They can also produce higher quality food with regional taste etc… Think small vineyards.
Anyway, the rich WANT stuff from small farms. It’s straight economics, we can MAKE small farms efficient ala niche markets etc…
My old man used to own a manufacturing plant in Los Angeles. They did sheet metal punching and stamping. He got tired of dealing with the employees, who left constantly after he devoted time and money into training them. He got tired to paying high taxes and dealing with workers comp issues. He owned the business with my grandparents and they had to decide whether or not to automate almost everything to get rid of the emloyees or close down the business. They chose the latter. China and other southeast Asian countries don’t have Byzantine workers comp laws, environmental regulation, taxes, and occupational safety hazard commissions. I was an officer in the Navy, where paperwork is capable of driving work to a standstill. It’s the same principle in the civilian world as well. Business owners get sick of it.
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Land redistribution doesn’t need to look like what Chavez is doing. It can be done fairly. Anyway, it’s just one idea. The point is that low-end service jobs aren’t satisfying to the ego or the pocketbook and are becoming increasingly the ONLY option available for many people.
My old man used to own a manufacturing plant in Los Angeles. They did sheet metal punching and stamping. He got tired of dealing with the employees, who left constantly after he devoted time and money into training them. He got tired to paying high taxes and dealing with workers comp issues. He owned the business with my grandparents and they had to decide whether or not to automate almost everything to get rid of the emloyees or close down the business. They chose the latter. China and other southeast Asian countries don’t have Byzantine workers comp laws, environmental regulation, taxes, and occupational safety hazard commissions. I was an officer in the Navy, where paperwork is capable of driving work to a standstill. It’s the same principle in the civilian world as well. Business owners get sick of it. [/quote]
That’s an interesting story but I’m afraid I missed your point.
Hasn’t Evo Morales done the same thing recently? Seems like I heard of some big land grab in south America recently. Oh yeah, and Zimbabwe (Rhodesia) and now South Africa as well. Those are some garden spots… [/quote]
I’m not talking about that. Land redistribution can come in the form in providing incentives.
Anyway, it’s just one idea. The goal is to provide society with options other than walmart and starbucks. Not everyone is college material or high end service material. It’s not good when society has a large disenfranchised workforce that can’t afford to raise a family. We’re not there yet, but why wait until we hit a breaking point.
Another solution would be to break into high-tech next-generation manufacturing like solar/wind energy production for us and the rest of the world.
Changes are coming. The only constant in life is change but I cannot believe you are proposing seizing land and forcing people to become small farmers.
People have been fleeing farming for generations!
Land redistribution doesn’t need to look like what Chavez is doing. It can be done fairly. Anyway, it’s just one idea. The point is that low-end service jobs aren’t satisfying to the ego or the pocketbook and are becoming increasingly the ONLY option available for many people.[/quote]
How does one “fairly” take land from a rightful, legal land owner and give it to someone else?
[quote]beebuddy wrote:
Sloth wrote:
How about do away with all the taxes on business and income? Raise needed revenue through a tarriff.
What kind of tariff? I actually like Huckabee’s ‘fair-tax.’ Is that what you mean?[/quote]
I’m pretty sure he’s pushing a consumption tax. Which, I’m afraid will lead to us having a consumption and an income tax down the road. I was thinking more along the lines of gutting spending, doing away with the income tax, and rely on tariffs, and to a lesser degree excise taxes.
Changes are coming. The only constant in life is change but I cannot believe you are proposing seizing land and forcing people to become small farmers.
People have been fleeing farming for generations!
Land redistribution doesn’t need to look like what Chavez is doing. It can be done fairly. Anyway, it’s just one idea. The point is that low-end service jobs aren’t satisfying to the ego or the pocketbook and are becoming increasingly the ONLY option available for many people.
How does one “fairly” take land from a rightful, legal land owner and give it to someone else?
Horrible idea. Absolutely horrible. [/quote]
Read all of the posts. Your question has already been addressed twice. I’m not talking about theft, it’s called creating incentives.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Sloth wrote:
How about do away with all the taxes on business and income? Raise needed revenue through a tarriff.
Trade wars with the rest of the world isn’t going to help matters.[/quote]
Oh, I’m not talking about targeted tariffs, that respond to what other nations are doing concerning our product, I’m talking about a flat, general, and ‘blind’ tariff. Not a protectionist tariff. Strictly meant to generate tax revenue. Look, the thing is, all taxes will have some effect on the economy, prices, and etc. So why not rely on a tariff and not, say, an income tax?
What’s the point of using a relying so heavily on a tax system that drives up domestic cost?
[quote]djoh615893 wrote:
Wow. You’re a first-class sack of shit! Deport yourself to Bratislava. Or, join the Army instead and understand a life of a bit of deprivation, hard work, appreciating what you have, hot summers, colder winters, meet new people as they try to kill you. You would be pleasantly surprised by the constant self-discovery and what it takes to support your faggot-ass viewpoint that you so easily toss out for others to experience. Do something about it, or do nothing at all and cry about it.[/quote]
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Sloth wrote:
How about do away with all the taxes on business and income? Raise needed revenue through a tarriff.
Trade wars with the rest of the world isn’t going to help matters.
Oh, I’m not talking about targeted tariffs, that respond to what other nations are doing concerning our product, I’m talking about a flat, general, and ‘blind’ tariff. Not a protectionist tariff. Strictly meant to generate tax revenue. Look, the thing is, all taxes will have some effect on the economy, prices, and etc. So why not rely on a tariff and not, say, an income tax?
What’s the point of using a relying so heavily on a tax system that drives up domestic cost?[/quote]
Because it doesn’t make sense for other countries to supply our government with it’s income, perhaps?