[quote]Waittz wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
[quote]theBeth wrote:
Or an uncomfortably vivid explanation.[/quote]
Well, imagine you have a plunger, a punch bowl full of custard, and a bulldog with a shaved butt…
No. Can’t go there. This is a good thread started by a hell of a guy, and that description would be an atrocity.
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You have my permission. Please proceed.[/quote]
I can’t. I hadn’t really thought the whole process through, so I was trying to bow out gracefully.
You Finish!
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
[quote]theBeth wrote:
Or an uncomfortably vivid explanation.[/quote]
Well, imagine you have a plunger, a punch bowl full of custard, and a bulldog with a shaved butt…
No. Can’t go there. This is a good thread started by a hell of a guy, and that description would be an atrocity.
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No more atrocious than imagining an infantry squad trying to defend a bunch of bankers and politicians from a legion of shuffling, tattered homeless people armed with RPGs and IEDs.
That should be a movie. We’ll call it Hobocalypse Now.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]K2000 wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
Well, thats a bit gay, but in a good way, so dont sweat it.
NTTAWWT, … no, there is nothing wrong with that…
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Surprising answer from you… I would have expected that the vaunted Free Market would have provided a better solution on that day.
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And for the 349 time:
I dont care if you help someone because you want to.
In fact, I find it to be commendable.
I do have a problem if you take MY money at gunpoint and give it to all kind of shitheads I dont give a fuck about.
Like, I dont know, corn farmers, oil companies, crackheads, liberal arts majors, baby mommas with a litter of around 12, or, god forbid, congressmen. [/quote]
Not to derail the thread, or criticize the original poster…
but there are psychologists who will tell you that one of the primary motivations for charitable giving is that it makes people feel good about themselves, when they give.
I don’t care how many baloney sandwiches your church group hands out on the weekends though, it’s not possibly going to be enough to address the problem of hunger in the world. It takes massive resources to address a big problem like that, such as the massive pooled resources of the government (um, that would be “We the People” in the United States). There is no other not-for-profit organization in the entire world that can attack big problems on that scale.
By all means, people should pass out all the groceries you can afford, and I hope you feel good about it. I occasionally give to panhandlers myself. But do you want to address big problems on a longer term? Or is it simply a small fix just for tonight?
Anyway, just the musings of a Liberal, trying to explain how I think about these situations. It’s never been about trying to “take YOUR money at gunpoint” it’s about wrangling with big social problems and trying to provide a safety net so that the world might be a little less harsh, for the people on the losing end.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
We were talking about a couple of bodyguards for a banker or a politician. Now we’re talking a squad of infantry?
Fine. The homeless people have RPGs, mortars and improvised explosive devices.
Escalation of force, baby. [/quote]
You know what I’m getting at. These people will be in secure compounds with armed regiments at hand if nightmare scenarios become reality.
The closest thing we have now where a populace is subdued enough to run the opposite direction from those in control is Mexico and the cartels.
[quote]K2000 wrote:
Anyway, just the musings of a Liberal, trying to explain how I think about these situations. It’s never been about trying to “take YOUR money at gunpoint” it’s about wrangling with big social problems and trying to provide a safety net so that the world might be a little less harsh, for the people on the losing end.
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Oh, I know that its not about taking my money at gunpoint, it is just a necessary component of it and you simply dont care.
Second, if you subsidize stupid, reckless and irresponsible behavior you will get more of it.
There is a big difference between someone in Africa, crippled by several encounters with malaria and a baby momma that has 8 different kids from 6 different baby daddies.
Third, this has gone way beyond a safety net.
Big oil does not need a safety net.
Big agriculture does not need a safety net.
Baby Boomers, the richest generation ever in US history dont need one by and large, yet they get it because they get their ass off the couch to vote for some goodies.
Investment banks do not need safety nets, nor should they have one, along with people who are deeply in debt because they studied Roumanian folk dancing, basket weaving or gender studies.
In fact, the kind of safety net you want could be incredibly cheap. Build concrete towers where anyone that wants to have gets 10 square meters, a shower, a sink and a toilet and then throw all the rice and beans at them they can eat.
Voila, everybody has shelter, noone starves and they all want to get out of their as soon as possible.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]K2000 wrote:
Anyway, just the musings of a Liberal, trying to explain how I think about these situations. It’s never been about trying to “take YOUR money at gunpoint” it’s about wrangling with big social problems and trying to provide a safety net so that the world might be a little less harsh, for the people on the losing end.
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Oh, I know that its not about taking my money at gunpoint, it is just a necessary component of it and you simply dont care.
Second, if you subsidize stupid, reckless and irresponsible behavior you will get more of it.
There is a big difference between someone in Africa, crippled by several encounters with malaria and a baby momma that has 8 different kids from 6 different baby daddies.
Third, this has gone way beyond a safety net.
Big oil does not need a safety net.
Big agriculture does not need a safety net.
Baby Boomers, the richest generation ever in US history dont need one by and large, yet they get it because they get their ass off the couch to vote for some goodies.
Investment banks do not need safety nets, nor should they have one, along with people who are deeply in debt because they studied Roumanian folk dancing, basket weaving or gender studies.
In fact, the kind of safety net you want could be incredibly cheap. Build concrete towers where anyone that wants to have gets 10 square meters, a shower, a sink and a toilet and then throw all the rice and beans at them they can eat.
Voila, everybody has shelter, noone starves and they all want to get out of their as soon as possible.
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This has been done. Project or Prison, pick the poison.
I cried 1 week ago, and technically not the first time since i was a young boy. But it was the first time i cried like that since then. I cut ties with a girl i was deeply involved with for the last eight months, it was hard saying goodbye. She wrote me a letter detailing all the good times we had together and what she was gonna miss about spending time with me. Man it fucked me up, i wept…
This homeless guy asked me for money the other day to get something to eat. I come back out the store with some food to give him. He refuses it without even asking what it is… Guess he was in the mood for beer.
[quote]nebil12 wrote:
This homeless guy asked me for money the other day to get something to eat. I come back out the store with some food to give him. He refuses it without even asking what it is… Guess he was in the mood for beer.[/quote]
and that made you cry?
I just like how this thread went from a heartfelt and heartwarming post in the OP about charity and the best parts of the human spirit to scissoring.
[quote]csulli wrote:
I just like how this thread went from a heartfelt and heartwarming post in the OP about charity and the best parts of the human spirit to scissoring.[/quote]
My fault, I take full responsibility for that. Im getting better about it though, sometimes I type something then catch myself and delete before I press send.
I wept a bit when Geno threw his 3rd pick last night.
[quote]csulli wrote:
I just like how this thread went from a heartfelt and heartwarming post in the OP about charity and the best parts of the human spirit to scissoring.[/quote]
In theory scissoring is about giving and receiving…so im cool with it.
Let me just say it takes a big man to cry, but it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man.
[quote]conservativedog wrote:
Let me just say it takes a big man to cry, but it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man. [/quote]
Yeah otherwise he’d get beat up.
Laugh, and the world laughs with you.
Cry, and the world laughs at you.
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Hilarious video 10/10.