You’d actually flip a dog onto its back when its being aggressive, going bat shit crazy or just in a bad mood?
Ok, how many people here around the 200-220lbs range tried doing this to a dog in the same weight category and didn’t feel at least worried about what would happen? Baring in mind the dog would probably sense your fear.
From what I understand, a dog’s actual temperament is a genetic disposition.
Thanks for all the thoughts everyone. Lots to try, lots of good advice. It will take me a bit to make my way through all the posts.
I definitely need to do a better job of being stricter and more consistent with jumping, furniture, exe.
The dog is some type of PB mix. The shelter said he was a “Staffordshire”, he might be part American Staffordshire, but has some characteristics that would make him not, like a red nose. He’s probably got some mastiff, and who knows what else. Every dog person I run into likes to guess…
[quote]harrypotter wrote:
You’d actually flip a dog onto its back when its being aggressive, going bat shit crazy or just in a bad mood?
Ok, how many people here around the 200-220lbs range tried doing this to a dog in the same weight category and didn’t feel at least worried about what would happen? Baring in mind the dog would probably sense your fear.[/quote]
There are not any dogs that weight 200-220lbs that I am aware of. I think 160 ish is the max for any breed and they are super rare, some sort of mastiff.
Anyway pits are around 40-60lbs.
[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:
[quote]harrypotter wrote:
You’d actually flip a dog onto its back when its being aggressive, going bat shit crazy or just in a bad mood?
Ok, how many people here around the 200-220lbs range tried doing this to a dog in the same weight category and didn’t feel at least worried about what would happen? Baring in mind the dog would probably sense your fear.[/quote]
There are not any dogs that weight 200-220lbs that I am aware of. I think 160 ish is the max for any breed and they are super rare, some sort of mastiff.
Anyway pits are around 40-60lbs. [/quote]
My great dane weighs 205. A great dane is in the mastiff family.
The Tibetan mastiff can get well over 300. Also bull mastiffs can weigh over 200 easy.
My 3 year old rednose is 105. My 1 year old blue is over 70. His dad weighed over 130.
[quote]Bauber wrote:
[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:
[quote]harrypotter wrote:
You’d actually flip a dog onto its back when its being aggressive, going bat shit crazy or just in a bad mood?
Ok, how many people here around the 200-220lbs range tried doing this to a dog in the same weight category and didn’t feel at least worried about what would happen? Baring in mind the dog would probably sense your fear.[/quote]
There are not any dogs that weight 200-220lbs that I am aware of. I think 160 ish is the max for any breed and they are super rare, some sort of mastiff.
Anyway pits are around 40-60lbs. [/quote]
My great dane weighs 205. A great dane is in the mastiff family.
The Tibetan mastiff can get well over 300. Also bull mastiffs can weigh over 200 easy.
My 3 year old rednose is 105. My 1 year old blue is over 70. His dad weighed over 130.[/quote]
I have seen one tibetan mastiff in my life it was 300lbs and at a motorcycle rally in Galveston. It was morbidly obese and could barely drag it’s self around.
I guess I have never seen a huge Dane. I venture 160lbs is the biggest and it was impressive. 200 is on the outer maximum limit so that is huge even for a Dane.
Bull mastiffs should top out 130 for males on the high end.
So extremely Large great Danes and Tibetan mastiffs, and to answer the question I would not attempt to alpha role either.
I’m lucky that my dogs are of breed that are easily trained.
Hell, I can just leave sticky notes on the bowls of food and when they should eat and they’ll do it.
[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:
[quote]Bauber wrote:
[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:
[quote]harrypotter wrote:
You’d actually flip a dog onto its back when its being aggressive, going bat shit crazy or just in a bad mood?
Ok, how many people here around the 200-220lbs range tried doing this to a dog in the same weight category and didn’t feel at least worried about what would happen? Baring in mind the dog would probably sense your fear.[/quote]
There are not any dogs that weight 200-220lbs that I am aware of. I think 160 ish is the max for any breed and they are super rare, some sort of mastiff.
Anyway pits are around 40-60lbs. [/quote]
My great dane weighs 205. A great dane is in the mastiff family.
The Tibetan mastiff can get well over 300. Also bull mastiffs can weigh over 200 easy.
My 3 year old rednose is 105. My 1 year old blue is over 70. His dad weighed over 130.[/quote]
I have seen one tibetan mastiff in my life it was 300lbs and at a motorcycle rally in Galveston. It was morbidly obese and could barely drag it’s self around.
I guess I have never seen a huge Dane. I venture 160lbs is the biggest and it was impressive. 200 is on the outer maximum limit so that is huge even for a Dane.
Bull mastiffs should top out 130 for males on the high end.
So extremely Large great Danes and Tibetan mastiffs, and to answer the question I would not attempt to alpha role either.
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au contraire. A Newfoundland averages about 90k, which is pretty much 200lbs.
Thankfully, they’re the cuddliest, friendliest dogs on earth
[quote]Nards wrote:
I’m lucky that my dogs are of breed that are easily trained.
Hell, I can just leave sticky notes on the bowls of food and when they should eat and they’ll do it.[/quote]
I went the opposite direction and got a Husky, which was a ton of work to train. Worth every aggravating moment though.
[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:
[quote]Bauber wrote:
[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:
[quote]harrypotter wrote:
You’d actually flip a dog onto its back when its being aggressive, going bat shit crazy or just in a bad mood?
Ok, how many people here around the 200-220lbs range tried doing this to a dog in the same weight category and didn’t feel at least worried about what would happen? Baring in mind the dog would probably sense your fear.[/quote]
There are not any dogs that weight 200-220lbs that I am aware of. I think 160 ish is the max for any breed and they are super rare, some sort of mastiff.
Anyway pits are around 40-60lbs. [/quote]
My great dane weighs 205. A great dane is in the mastiff family.
The Tibetan mastiff can get well over 300. Also bull mastiffs can weigh over 200 easy.
My 3 year old rednose is 105. My 1 year old blue is over 70. His dad weighed over 130.[/quote]
I have seen one tibetan mastiff in my life it was 300lbs and at a motorcycle rally in Galveston. It was morbidly obese and could barely drag it’s self around.
I guess I have never seen a huge Dane. I venture 160lbs is the biggest and it was impressive. 200 is on the outer maximum limit so that is huge even for a Dane.
Bull mastiffs should top out 130 for males on the high end.
So extremely Large great Danes and Tibetan mastiffs, and to answer the question I would not attempt to alpha role either.
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I wrestle with my dane a lot. He is much easier to roll than the full grown pits by far lol.
It sounds like a lot of the advice is coming from a dominance-based perspective, and I know that in the world of professional dog trainers, there’s a fair amount of disagreement between dominance/caesar milan-types and positive reinforcement trainers. I’m not interested in debating the two types, just saying that if what you’ve tried is the dominance, and it’s not working, try positive reinforcement or even if the “dominance/Alpha Male” relationship isnt one you want to have, try positive reinforcement.
People seem to think that if you’re not dominating then you’re being dominated, and that’s just not true. I liken it to teachers you used to have in grade school, some would scream and go nuts when kids were acting up, while others wouldnt get angry, but wouldnt tolerate nonsense either. The latter teachers were usually the ones who had real structure and were consistent, ALL the time.
A poster above touched on the consistency and said that it means that if you want your dog on his bed, then you put him on his bed 50x in a row, w the same cue every time, I agree w that. It sounds like you may just have a difficult dog, and while you may not have done anything wrong so far in his training, there may be more you can do. Instead of one big exercise a day, do you have time for two medium length exercise periods? When he gets nippy with whoever’s petting him, does he go into time out EVERY SINGLE TIME?
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:
Protip: if you own more then one pit or a pit with other dogs.
http://www.pbrc.net/breaksticks.html
For all dog owners. If you need a dog to release what is in its mouth lift dog by rear legs and keep raising till the must redirect and address you. Walk backwards. This info could save your own dogs life if it is being attacked. [/quote]
I hear a strong kick to the ribs of the other dog could work also. Make sure to break every rib. Your dog will be just fine.[/quote]
That may work, but if you kick my dog and break its ribs I can guarantee you will be fine. [/quote]
my sister was outside in the front yard with our dog in High School, when another dog that got out of their back yard attacked our dog. My sister drop kicked that dog in the ribs and it decided to go some place else. My sister said she heard multiple cracking noises when the kick landed.[/quote]
It doesn’t work with pitbulls. If that pitbull decided to sink it’s teeth into my dog I knew I was going to gut it’s throat with my pocket knife, lucky for me, my dog, and the pit it was just trying to be dominant.
[quote]red04 wrote:
[quote]Nards wrote:
I’m lucky that my dogs are of breed that are easily trained.
Hell, I can just leave sticky notes on the bowls of food and when they should eat and they’ll do it.[/quote]
I went the opposite direction and got a Husky, which was a ton of work to train. Worth every aggravating moment though.[/quote]
I love huskies!!! They are very willful but that’s what you get when you have a smart working dog. It’s actually kind of what I like about them.
I’ve found that as far as getting them to do what you want you have two choices: establishing dominance or convincing them that they want to do want you want and that they decided it on their own lol. I find the latter to be the favorable one most of the time but sometimes I have to lay down the law depending on the urgency and severity of the situation.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]iVoodoo wrote:
I flip my dogs on their back and grab their throat when they act up.
Obviously I’d never choke out my dog, but once they realize you could end them and choose not to, they’ll be a good dog.[/quote]
I wouldn’t recommend this, ever really.
EDIT: That isn’t to say you shouldn’t discipline a dog, but the wrong temperament and this will only make matters worse. [/quote]
This is how Caesar’s career was pretty much ended. Or, at least why his show was canceled. Got bit in the face.
[quote]BlakeAJackson wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]print wrote:
[quote]iVoodoo wrote:
I flip my dogs on their back and grab their throat when they act up.
Obviously I’d never choke out my dog, but once they realize you could end them and choose not to, they’ll be a good dog.[/quote]
This is by far the most ridiculous thing I’ve read in a long time! & on this site, that’s saying something.
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Actually, it isn’t. My dog is a pit mixed with boxer. I do that all of the time. he is a rough dog. I can play rough with him and he knows the difference between that and me trying to reprimand him.
Showing dominance with a dog that can kick your ass is a GOOD IDEA, not a bad one.[/quote]
If you are doing it all of the time, then you are missing the positive reinforcement opportunities most likely. [/quote]
Um…that is positive reinforcement…
Sell it to panda express for some combo meals
[quote]chobbs wrote:
Sell it to panda express for some combo meals[/quote]
lol
Alpha rolling to assert your dominance in a situation where you’re dog is in a state of fear is BS if you are trigger happy with that technique. Using it too often will just cause fear biting later on and make the dog afraid of confrontation regardless of breed. Especially true for cattle and herding breeds that have a tendency to be a bit ‘nippy’.
Assert yourself during rough play and you won’t have to pin him/her down when they play up. They’ll think twice before escalating a situation next time as hierarchy has been established.
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
From what I understand, a dog’s actual temperament is a genetic disposition.[/quote]
REALLY? I have a 110+ pound chesapeak bay retriever that is not even full house ;), and the damn dog acts like a baby in front of direct family. Of course he still likes swimming, retrieving stuff from water, and is very protective.
My family has also had a labrador retriever (that breed should be incredibly friendly, and good around kids, but he was neither) that was one of the nastiest dogs I’ve ever seen of his breed.
[quote]DSSG wrote:
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
From what I understand, a dog’s actual temperament is a genetic disposition.[/quote]
REALLY? I have a 110+ pound chesapeak bay retriever that is not even full house ;), and the damn dog acts like a baby in front of direct family. Of course he still likes swimming, retrieving stuff from water, and is very protective.
My family has also had a labrador retriever (that breed should be incredibly friendly, and good around kids, but he was neither) that was one of the nastiest dogs I’ve ever seen of his breed. [/quote]
Yeah