[quote]tmay11 wrote:
Using your sick person example - Yes, doctors make money off sick people, but only looking at that ignores the sick person.
Say you get sick for 1 month and go and see the doctor and pay him some sort of fee to diagnose you. Yes, he has made that fee, but you have lost a month of wages and society is poorer by the amount of productivity that was foregone as a result of you being sick. [/quote]
Not if he goes on short term disability. He’d still get 100% of his normal pay.
Plus, most businesses should be able to function just fine for month without one person.[/quote]
Ok, where does his “normal pay” come from?
You’re still making the exact same initial mistake, except one step further down the line.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Made it through, trees still upright (except for an evergreen out front… which is now staked), electricity stayed on, but our CABLE WENT OUT UNTIL AN HOUR AGO!
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Made it through, trees still upright (except for an evergreen out front… which is now staked), electricity stayed on, but our CABLE WENT OUT UNTIL AN HOUR AGO!
I was jonesin’ for some T-Nation![/quote]
I was wondering about you! Glad you are OK!![/quote]
I am really sorry about all the trouble everyone has been having — even ID and his several hours without cable – the horror!
But I am kinda shocked that the north east is not prepared for a Category I hurricane. I mean, I’ve been on drilling rigs in the Gulf of Mexico, and they won’t take us off the rig unless it was a III or more.
Seems like I-III barely make the news down South.
Pretty shitty planning by your local officials over the last 50 years, even if this is a relatively rare event.
[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
I am really sorry about all the trouble everyone has been having — even ID and his several hours without cable – the horror!
But I am kinda shocked that the north east is not prepared for a Category I hurricane. I mean, I’ve been on drilling rigs in the Gulf of Mexico, and they won’t take us off the rig unless it was a III or more.
Seems like I-III barely make the news down South.
Pretty shitty planning by your local officials over the last 50 years, even if this is a relatively rare event.[/quote]
This blows my mind as well. Wasn’t there a hurricane that hit the northeast just a couple of years ago? It really isn’t that hard to prepare for a category 1. I have no idea why people up there have 70 foot trees, that is just asking for trouble.
I live in South Carolina, and back when I was in middle school, a category 1 hit and my friends and I went outside and played in it. I don’t understand how the northeast is so ill prepared.
[quote]tmay11 wrote:
Using your sick person example - Yes, doctors make money off sick people, but only looking at that ignores the sick person.
Say you get sick for 1 month and go and see the doctor and pay him some sort of fee to diagnose you. Yes, he has made that fee, but you have lost a month of wages and society is poorer by the amount of productivity that was foregone as a result of you being sick. [/quote]
Not if he goes on short term disability. He’d still get 100% of his normal pay.
Plus, most businesses should be able to function just fine for month without one person.[/quote]
Ok, where does his “normal pay” come from?
You’re still making the exact same initial mistake, except one step further down the line. [/quote]
Plus I think short term disability is only like 60% of your pay not 100%. At least that’s how its been for everyone I know thats used it.
[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
I am really sorry about all the trouble everyone has been having — even ID and his several hours without cable – the horror!
But I am kinda shocked that the north east is not prepared for a Category I hurricane. I mean, I’ve been on drilling rigs in the Gulf of Mexico, and they won’t take us off the rig unless it was a III or more.
Seems like I-III barely make the news down South.
Pretty shitty planning by your local officials over the last 50 years, even if this is a relatively rare event.[/quote]
[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
I am really sorry about all the trouble everyone has been having — even ID and his several hours without cable – the horror!
But I am kinda shocked that the north east is not prepared for a Category I hurricane. I mean, I’ve been on drilling rigs in the Gulf of Mexico, and they won’t take us off the rig unless it was a III or more.
Seems like I-III barely make the news down South.
Pretty shitty planning by your local officials over the last 50 years, even if this is a relatively rare event.[/quote]
This blows my mind as well. Wasn’t there a hurricane that hit the northeast just a couple of years ago? It really isn’t that hard to prepare for a category 1. I have no idea why people up there have 70 foot trees, that is just asking for trouble.
I live in South Carolina, and back when I was in middle school, a category 1 hit and my friends and I went outside and played in it. I don’t understand how the northeast is so ill prepared.[/quote]
Not so much the trees, but how about fucking levees and ability to handle a storm surge?
We lost power for 5 seconds. This summer we took out about 12 trees on the side of the house. We got funny looks from some of the neighbors as my tree guy kept chopping one tree after another that was overhanging the house or was growing crooked. It tore up the lawn a little bit, but boy was I glad on Monday.
My issue is I have such a high water table that I have two sump pumps which are on all the time. My generator was ready to go just in case We got lucky in MA. It was very windy, but 70 degrees. The storm missed us.
During Irene, I was in Florida and we lost power. My finished basement ended up with 6 inches of water. Thankfully I only had to pull the area rugs up.
[quote]tmay11 wrote:
Using your sick person example - Yes, doctors make money off sick people, but only looking at that ignores the sick person.
Say you get sick for 1 month and go and see the doctor and pay him some sort of fee to diagnose you. Yes, he has made that fee, but you have lost a month of wages and society is poorer by the amount of productivity that was foregone as a result of you being sick. [/quote]
Not if he goes on short term disability. He’d still get 100% of his normal pay.
Plus, most businesses should be able to function just fine for month without one person.[/quote]
Ok, where does his “normal pay” come from?
You’re still making the exact same initial mistake, except one step further down the line. [/quote]
Plus I think short term disability is only like 60% of your pay not 100%. At least that’s how its been for everyone I know thats used it. [/quote]
I got 100% of my pay for 6 weeks. If I was unable to come back to work, then it would have decreased to 75% for the next 2-3 weeks and then less after that…
I would venture to say that it would vary from state to state. I was lucky that I got what I did.
[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
I am really sorry about all the trouble everyone has been having — even ID and his several hours without cable – the horror!
But I am kinda shocked that the north east is not prepared for a Category I hurricane. I mean, I’ve been on drilling rigs in the Gulf of Mexico, and they won’t take us off the rig unless it was a III or more.
Seems like I-III barely make the news down South.
Pretty shitty planning by your local officials over the last 50 years, even if this is a relatively rare event.[/quote]
This blows my mind as well. Wasn’t there a hurricane that hit the northeast just a couple of years ago? It really isn’t that hard to prepare for a category 1. I have no idea why people up there have 70 foot trees, that is just asking for trouble.
I live in South Carolina, and back when I was in middle school, a category 1 hit and my friends and I went outside and played in it. I don’t understand how the northeast is so ill prepared.[/quote]
Not so much the trees, but how about fucking levees and ability to handle a storm surge?
Basic urban planning stuff.[/quote]
Yes! levees too. Also from my time living in South Carolina, Charleston is BARELY above sea level, so everytime there is significant rain, the entire downtown region floods. This happens at least once a month, but it’s never a problem, as far as damage.
[quote]tmay11 wrote:
Using your sick person example - Yes, doctors make money off sick people, but only looking at that ignores the sick person.
Say you get sick for 1 month and go and see the doctor and pay him some sort of fee to diagnose you. Yes, he has made that fee, but you have lost a month of wages and society is poorer by the amount of productivity that was foregone as a result of you being sick. [/quote]
Not if he goes on short term disability. He’d still get 100% of his normal pay.
Plus, most businesses should be able to function just fine for month without one person.[/quote]
Ok, where does his “normal pay” come from?
You’re still making the exact same initial mistake, except one step further down the line. [/quote]
Plus I think short term disability is only like 60% of your pay not 100%. At least that’s how its been for everyone I know thats used it. [/quote]
I got 100% of my pay for 6 weeks. If I was unable to come back to work, then it would have decreased to 75% for the next 2-3 weeks and then less after that…
I would venture to say that it would vary from state to state. I was lucky that I got what I did.
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Yeah you’re lucky. I got 60% for 6 weeks. Not sure what it would have been after that.
Well overall I consider myself lucky just got my power back, and thank God my family and I are safe. Some horrible stories where I live in Staten Island, unfortunately death and destruction. As far as natural disasters go, the absolute worst I ever seen in the NYC area. From children missing and found dead, to fathers and sons found dead in their basements to whole houses being washed up onto highways to sailboats on boulevards, make no mistake no one is blowing smoke up your ass as to the severity and destruction of this storm. I consider myself extremely lucky to have simply had no power.
Power and phones are still out, trees are down everywhere - on power lines, houses, everywhere - and they haven’t been moved. Gas lines are three hours long and shit is just getting ugly.
This is the most difficult natural disaster I’ve ever been through… and I’m not somebody who really cares about not having electricity. I can’t imagine how it is for the millions doing much, much worse than I.
I do not live in the NE so just correct me if Im missing something but I have a couple of issues here. First off, wasnt there an evacuation warning 2-3 days before? Why wouldnt you take warning and head inland? Whether you stay with family/friends house or hotel, I would think that the majority would have had that ability.
And if you truly wanted to stay, wouldnt it be in your hands to be prepared? I know that systems this disatrous and strong do not occur often in that part of the U.S but commonsense would tell me to either have supplies stocked before hand or head out as quick as possible once a warning is given.
Being a former firefighter/medic, I really hate seeing the devastation and I feel for the hardships people are experiencing but a part of me feels that a percentage of the population could have had a better outcome if they would have been more reponsible.
[quote]farmerson12 wrote:
I really hate seeing the devastation and I feel for the hardships people are experiencing but a part of me feels that a percentage of the population could have had a better outcome if they would have been more reponsible.[/quote]
While my brother, who lives on the water by the south shore of Long Island made it out with his puggle (he lost most of his house, his car, his motorcycle), he watched his next door neighbor’s house burn to the ground amidst streets flowing with water above the level of opening car doors.
Very thankful that everyone in my wife’s and my families are okay. Makes me shut my mouth when I start to whine about having to go out and buy food after losing everything in our fridge and freezer.
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
While my brother, who lives on the water by the south shore of Long Island made it out with his puggle (he lost most of his house, his car, his motorcycle), he watched his next door neighbor’s house burn to the ground amidst streets flowing with water above the level of opening car doors.
Very thankful that everyone in my wife’s and my families are okay. Makes me shut my mouth when I start to whine about having to go out and buy food after losing everything in our fridge and freezer.
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Damn. Sorry for the losses, but grateful for what really matters.
I do not live in the NE so just correct me if Im missing something but I have a couple of issues here. First off, wasnt there an evacuation warning 2-3 days before? Why wouldnt you take warning and head inland? Whether you stay with family/friends house or hotel, I would think that the majority would have had that ability.
And if you truly wanted to stay, wouldnt it be in your hands to be prepared? I know that systems this disatrous and strong do not occur often in that part of the U.S but commonsense would tell me to either have supplies stocked before hand or head out as quick as possible once a warning is given.
Being a former firefighter/medic, I really hate seeing the devastation and I feel for the hardships people are experiencing but a part of me feels that a percentage of the population could have had a better outcome if they would have been more reponsible.[/quote]
Not to hate on your parade but being experienced in the emergency services, wouldn’t you have seen that type of ‘stand your ground’ mentality before? Or perhaps the ill-prepared masses getting surprised and in need of help?
I too would have stayed put, it would be a different matter with children but I cant help but think that there are people who do not want to be told to move and hunkering down is a better option for them.
