[quote]roguevampire wrote:
The mere fact that you say we as humans hold a humans life over an animals life just shows how ignorant we are. I would save my cats without a second thought before any human. unless they were my close family. but, my cats are my close family. why are humans considered more valuable or better than animals. That is simply something i dont suscribe to.[/quote]
Because we are persons. Time for Maker’s Mark.
[quote]gregron wrote:
I wish I was home right now cause I would post a picture… I’m sure someone can search it and post it for me…
It was from the memorial service of one of the SEALs who died in that helo crash. So of his buddies drove to his home town, picked up the guys dog and drove it to the memorial, the dog layed right next to the flag draped coffin throughout the entire thing and wouldn’t leave the coffins side.
EDIT: here’s a link
http://www.mediaite.com/online/heartbreaking-loyal-dog-refuses-to-leave-the-side-of-fallen-navy-seals-during-memorial/
Mans best friend.[/quote]
Nice looking dog, too.
Well, when I had my dog, i would’ve chose him over a random person. Reason is, he held more value to me. I mean, as I said before, when a random person dies, to me it’s like “shit happens” and thats the way it is with most people if you’re honest. You turn on the tv and see someone across town got run over by a train and you shake your head and go on about your day. We all know its true.
Also, I know my dog would’ve risked his life and limb for me, and 9 times out of ten, a random person wouldn’t risk his/her life or limb for me. They may help me if its of convenience to them or if it doesn’t take anything away from them, but the certainly wouldn’t risk their life. And we all know this to be true.
And I meant MY dog. I don’t just mean I would just save any dog.
Nah, clip. My dog hid behind me the couple of times there have been confrontations since I’ve had her.
She will destroy any body or thing that comes near my wife though, and for that I am grateful.
I guess that actually makes her my wifes dog.
[quote]Broncoandy wrote:
I’ll take dogs over people every day of the week. Twice on Sunday. Yes dogs are predators, but so are people. The difference is that the dogs don’t lie about it (even if retard owners lie to themselves about it). My hound puts food in the freezer. People sure as hell don’t. What situation are you going to come across that you’ve gotta choose? A man, and a dog fell into the river in the middle of winter? It’s a dumb fucking dog. What the fuck is your excuse human? You not been listening to those warnings about ice thickness you’re whole life? Congratulations, you’ve just been naturally selected for elimination from the gene pool. Unless your a child, or mentally handycapped, your on you’re own.[/quote]
You really are ignorant. People are not at their top level of performance all the time. I’d choose to save the human every day of the week. If I saved the dog, I would just sell it for a couple hundred dollars. There’s much more unpredictability in humans. The heartless pessimist would believe that someone falling into a frozen river is a good for nothing dumbass. The realist or optimist would understand that shit just happen to good people sometimes. The drunken idiot who try to stab people with a razor blade at the college party may very well have publish groundbreaking research and be in the process of founding a multimillion dollar company that your life could depend on one day. You really must have not seen Ironman. If everyone chose to save the animal over the human in every situation, we would still be stuck in the stone age. You think Newton or Einstein didn’t do some crude, foolish shit as kids that could have gotten themselves killed?
Animals should be treated humanely, but valuing any species over the human species questions whether you are a traitor to your own species. RV doesn’t care because he is a vampire, which is not the same species as human beings, so that’s understandable.
[quote]cct wrote:
[quote]Broncoandy wrote:
I’ll take dogs over people every day of the week. Twice on Sunday. Yes dogs are predators, but so are people. The difference is that the dogs don’t lie about it (even if retard owners lie to themselves about it). My hound puts food in the freezer. People sure as hell don’t. What situation are you going to come across that you’ve gotta choose? A man, and a dog fell into the river in the middle of winter? It’s a dumb fucking dog. What the fuck is your excuse human? You not been listening to those warnings about ice thickness you’re whole life? Congratulations, you’ve just been naturally selected for elimination from the gene pool. Unless your a child, or mentally handycapped, your on you’re own.[/quote]
Animals should be treated humanely, but valuing any species over the human species questions whether you are a traitor to your own species. RV doesn’t care because he is a vampire, which is not the same species as human beings, so that’s understandable.[/quote]
Haha, nice one.
[quote]clip11 wrote:
Well, when I had my dog, i would’ve chose him over a random person. Reason is, he held more value to me. I mean, as I said before, when a random person dies, to me it’s like “shit happens” and thats the way it is with most people if you’re honest. You turn on the tv and see someone across town got run over by a train and you shake your head and go on about your day. We all know its true.
Also, I know my dog would’ve risked his life and limb for me, and 9 times out of ten, a random person wouldn’t risk his/her life or limb for me. They may help me if its of convenience to them or if it doesn’t take anything away from them, but the certainly wouldn’t risk their life. And we all know this to be true.
And I meant MY dog. I don’t just mean I would just save any dog.[/quote]
How many random people have you actually watched die?
You do realise being told about someone dying and actually being in a position to save them are ridiculously different circumstances yes?
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]clip11 wrote:
I know generally, human life is held higher than animal life. Saying that, if you had a dog that you were very close to and you had to choose to save the life of your dog or a random person, or even a person you knew, but really had no attatchment to, which one would you choose?
I used to have a dog that was like part of my family. And I know some may flame me for this, but I would have chose to save the life of my dog over 99.9% of people in the world. Probably because I felt more of an emotional attatchment to my dog, whereas most people, i am indifferent to. I was very sad when my dog died, and since then, have heard of several people that have died and it was really “thats too bad they died” by I cant say I felt any sadness per se.
What would anyone else do if the were faced with that situation?[/quote]
I love dogs, but I realize they are just animals. Though PETA disagrees, animals in fact don’t have rights. I wouldn’t think twice (if this was serious). [/quote]
People sometimes forget, that humans are also animals. (mammal)
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Twelvty billion e cookies says: Most people who argue in favour of humans would save the life of just ONE of their own sons or daughters over even one THOUSAND random people. Humans are extremely partial, I don’t really think this kind of question is really about the general value of humans Vs animals, it’s more about the nature of human bias & the power of emotional attachments
To put it another way, in strictly utilitarian terms, most of us are inconsistent…some are just more aware of this inconsistency than others.
There are quite a few bad people on Earth I’d shoot if I could get away with it even if we don’t involve strange hypothetical situations like having my dog in there.
But a random person? No.
A random person whom I know nothing about? I would probably choose the human 98% of the time. A person i know to be good? I would choose them 100% of the time. A person I know to be bad? I would choose my dog 100% of the time.
I believe that human life is inherently more valuable than animal life. That being said, animals are instinctual and bred for purpose. We cull(or atleast render infertile) those not fit to be bred, to keep the gene pool proper. I believe to a certain extent that should also be done with humans.
[quote]GorillaMon wrote:
Twelvty billion e cookies says: Most people who argue in favour of humans would save the life of just ONE of their own sons or daughters over even one THOUSAND random people. Humans are extremely partial, I don’t really think this kind of question is really about the general value of humans Vs animals, it’s more about the nature of human bias & the power of emotional attachments
To put it another way, in strictly utilitarian terms, most of us are inconsistent…some are just more aware of this inconsistency than others.
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Sorry, bud. You aren’t some philosopher-savant because you’re aware of that inconsistency. But even if you were, it’s still irrelevant. The above scenario involves weighing the lives of equals (read: human vs. human). Conversely, the trollish OP as it is stated is really a question of whether you distinguish between human and animal life.
There’s no way of knowing whether a random person is good or bad, so if you choose your dog, you’ve demonstrated an inability to make that distinction. That, or you’ve reached a level of cynicism I can’t even imagine, in which case I don’t see why you bother continuing your miserable existence.
Anyway, I’d kill the dog or any other pet I’ve ever owned for that random person.
[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:
[quote]GorillaMon wrote:
Twelvty billion e cookies says: Most people who argue in favour of humans would save the life of just ONE of their own sons or daughters over even one THOUSAND random people. Humans are extremely partial, I don’t really think this kind of question is really about the general value of humans Vs animals, it’s more about the nature of human bias & the power of emotional attachments
To put it another way, in strictly utilitarian terms, most of us are inconsistent…some are just more aware of this inconsistency than others.
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Sorry, bud. You aren’t some philosopher-savant because you’re aware of that inconsistency. But even if you were, it’s still irrelevant. The above scenario involves weighing the lives of equals (read: human vs. human). Conversely, the trollish OP as it is stated is really a question of whether you distinguish between human and animal life.
There’s no way of knowing whether a random person is good or bad, so if you choose your dog, you’ve demonstrated an inability to make that distinction. That, or you’ve reached a level of cynicism I can’t even imagine, in which case I don’t see why you bother continuing your miserable existence.
Anyway, I’d kill the dog or any other pet I’ve ever owned for that random person.
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Well said, HT.
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I wouldn’t sacrifice the life of my dog, who would sacrifice his for mine, for a person I know nothing about who probably could care less about me.
[quote]clip11 wrote:
I wouldn’t sacrifice the life of my dog, who would sacrifice his for mine, for a person I know nothing about who probably could care less about me.[/quote]
Well hold on, you can’t act surprised that there are many people that would have a problem with killing a random human to save their pet.
[quote]clip11 wrote:
I wouldn’t sacrifice the life of my dog, who would sacrifice his for mine, for a person I know nothing about who probably could care less about me.[/quote]
So really it all hinges on the fact that you believe no one else would save you over their pet?
[quote]clip11 wrote:
I wouldn’t sacrifice the life of my dog, who would sacrifice his for mine, for a person I know nothing about who probably could care less about me.[/quote]
LOL @ your dog sacrificing his life for yours. Aint gonna happen buddy. I love these romantic notions people have for their dogs, but at the end of the day, it’s romance. Like I said, I take and start feeding your dog and he’ll be quite happy right here in NJ - won’t even miss you after a bit. He won’t call, he won’t write, he won’t stay up at night howling in emotional distress.
[quote]clip11 wrote:
I wouldn’t sacrifice the life of my dog, who would sacrifice his for mine, for a person I know nothing about who probably could care less about me.[/quote]
Pretty easy to sacrifice your life when you aren’t aware that you are doing it or even what death is…
