Assistance to what end? Equal outcomes?
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Not really. Some are certainly born into better circumstances. I was born to two parents at 19 years of age who lived in a funeral home because it provided a free apartment while my Dad sewed up bodies at night and went to college during the day. My mom worked the phones and scheduling. With hard work they owned they first home by mid 20s
Some are born into riches and others are born into rags but with hard work and the opportunity the USA provides I donāt see a need for excuses with why you canāt achieve greatness. Equal outcome and equal opportunity are not the same.
I donāt feel that way myself, which is what lent to my definition. But if those are yours, definitely throw them in the mix.
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Understood. Not putting words in your mouth by any means.
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Like Trump federalizing the National Guard to protect Portland from furries?
Like Trump federalizing the National Guard to protect Portland from furries?
Iām not what youād call MAGA or even a hard core conservatives. Much of my belief system is middle of the road. Iām not fully versed in what heās doing with the Nat Guard but on the other hand some of these ultra liberal areas that are allowing basic civilized law to be broken time and time again and criminals to be rereleased makes me wonder if heās not doing something so extreme.
I am speaking in reference to people who are not capable. Not that they lack opportunities. I mean people who donāt have the capacity to do things like hold jobs, receive higher education or live on their own. And I really donāt think that we have to worry about equal outcomes here. I donāt believe that is something that is even possible. But I donāt necessarily think that people who lack ability should just be left hanging in the wind. I see a need for support there. That being said, Iām not a fan of supporting those who are perfectly capable but would rather find ways to abuse the system. I know several and it pisses me off beyond all belief. I guess Iām just asking if it is an area where shades of gray can exist. Are there some people who require support?
I could think of some examples. Certainly anybody who was disabled serving our military would have my upmost support for tax dollars going their way.
I agree. Would you be willing to put people who have mental disabilities on that list as well?
Totally. I call it ārational self interestā.
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Iām not sure to be honest. Everybody seems to have a mental health issue these days. Can you clarify?
I mean things like severe autism. Not necessarily things like depression or anxiety. Things that actually make someone incapable of holding a job. People who literally canāt care for themselves. The handicapped for lack of a better description.
Yeah I think in a civilized society we should assist others than canāt assist themselves but IMO thats an extreme circumstance such as what youāve mentioned and not just mental health issues. Also I feel itās a responsibility that a family needs to assist with as well.
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Its where you vote for people based on your own interests ballanced with interest in the greater good (how ever you see that).
Like, I believe in a robust social safety net. When a politician says āWe need to put more emphasis on public access to mental healthā they get my attention.
The rational part is that it may not be all things to everyone, but it fulfills a need for many. The self interest is that I see it as important and useful, and have seen benefit of having it available to me and others, and the detriment of lack of availability in those I love.
Or if a bill is introduced that will increase the cost of energy, but no clear or tangible benefit. I see that and say āthats going to hurt everybody, with the only actual benefit being a vanity bill that one can point to and virtue signal withā. I donāt like that.
At least thats how I apply it.
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Thank you. Agree on all points.
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The actual subjects were just off of the top of my head, for example.
Like, a business owner may have a completely different set of interests and what one would weigh or value against another interest, or view as a greater good.
Its a very individual way of looking at politics which allows for plenty of grey area based on ones own values.
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I donāt disagree. But I can say that there are some families who canāt or wonāt help. There are also some that have no family. Parents have been caring for the child for their entire lives and then they die. Mom and dad are both working because they are trying to cover extreme medical bills. Who cares for that person while the parents are at work? And yes they are extreme situations, but they are more common than most people would think. I guess my point is that I believe there is a need for a social safety net and that there is also a need to reevaluate that way that we provide those services currently.
Not wasting my time with clowns that defend liberal criminal behavior
Define liberal criminal behavior - is that like Jan 6th stuff, or the furries in Portland?