I would deny them an exit interview and write them a nice letter thanking them for providing employment and an excellent working environment. It would be easy to slip up and let your thoughts out in the interview.
Like others have said you have nothing to gain.
[quote]CarltonJ wrote:
ill find if hard to answer things like “why are you moving on”, ive clearly outlined my dissatisfaction to them before. is it just a box ticking exercise? id love to anser “no comment” to all exit interview questions. [/quote]
No, that’s just passive aggressive bullshit. Be professional.
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
What would be the point of letting them know how much you hated the job?[/quote]
For me it was because i liked my direct supervisor at my last job, we went out a few times and partied together after work and he was a good guy.
I didnt want him to think i had no loyalty and i was dipping on him for a few bucks more. Wanted him to understand there were fundamental issues with our operation and that i had an opportunity to alleviate those issues somewhere else.
Maybe this lead to them resolving some issues. Maybe not. As long as you arent a dick about it you should still be able to count on them for a reference in the future if needed. [/quote]
I will add that I realize people are by nature are selfish and petty. But now being an owner and manager I cannot fix things in my organization without feedback and knowledge. I welcome people to give an exit interview so I can make my company better. As a person who maybe leaving a company, you going to be one of those people your whole life that bitch and moan about everything but do nothing about it?
Kind of like being a FB or internet warrior of politics but not voting. If you have legit complaints on how an organization is run, then voice those issues and exit with class. If the company does not utilize that data or information then its on them, but as a professional you did your part.
This is just how I see things. [/quote]
My opinion but if you’re going to pick out problems, you need to stick around to try sort them out. Otherwise, it’s a bit of a little bitch move to have a whinge then run away from it.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
You can always leave a steaming dragon in the bathroom on your last day. [/quote]
Is that like an upper decker?
Frankly, I think the briefer you keep it, the more likely the point will be made.
I have left a job with a letter literally as brief as “I tender my resignation, effective (date).” No need to go into details, if they aren’t requested. If they are, then keep it minimalist.
I’m of the opinion that the company I work for doesn’t need to know my personal business. If I leave, I would have my reasons, but I wouldn’t necessarily feel the need to share.
[quote]tsantos wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
What would be the point of letting them know how much you hated the job?[/quote]
For me it was because i liked my direct supervisor at my last job, we went out a few times and partied together after work and he was a good guy.
I didnt want him to think i had no loyalty and i was dipping on him for a few bucks more. Wanted him to understand there were fundamental issues with our operation and that i had an opportunity to alleviate those issues somewhere else.
Maybe this lead to them resolving some issues. Maybe not. As long as you arent a dick about it you should still be able to count on them for a reference in the future if needed. [/quote]
I will add that I realize people are by nature are selfish and petty. But now being an owner and manager I cannot fix things in my organization without feedback and knowledge. I welcome people to give an exit interview so I can make my company better. As a person who maybe leaving a company, you going to be one of those people your whole life that bitch and moan about everything but do nothing about it?
Kind of like being a FB or internet warrior of politics but not voting. If you have legit complaints on how an organization is run, then voice those issues and exit with class. If the company does not utilize that data or information then its on them, but as a professional you did your part.
This is just how I see things. [/quote]
My opinion but if you’re going to pick out problems, you need to stick around to try sort them out. Otherwise, it’s a bit of a little bitch move to have a whinge then run away from it.
[/quote]
Listen, we live in the age of zero loyalty from employer to employee. I’ve always worked hard and tried to look out for my employer. This is a terribly foolish mindset and anyone who thinks their employer gives a shit about them is setting themselves up to get fucked in the corporate/non-profit world.
Your advice is terrible.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
You can always leave a steaming dragon in the bathroom on your last day. [/quote]
Or go the next step with an upper-decker.
[quote]Captnoblivious wrote:
[quote]tsantos wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
What would be the point of letting them know how much you hated the job?[/quote]
For me it was because i liked my direct supervisor at my last job, we went out a few times and partied together after work and he was a good guy.
I didnt want him to think i had no loyalty and i was dipping on him for a few bucks more. Wanted him to understand there were fundamental issues with our operation and that i had an opportunity to alleviate those issues somewhere else.
Maybe this lead to them resolving some issues. Maybe not. As long as you arent a dick about it you should still be able to count on them for a reference in the future if needed. [/quote]
I will add that I realize people are by nature are selfish and petty. But now being an owner and manager I cannot fix things in my organization without feedback and knowledge. I welcome people to give an exit interview so I can make my company better. As a person who maybe leaving a company, you going to be one of those people your whole life that bitch and moan about everything but do nothing about it?
Kind of like being a FB or internet warrior of politics but not voting. If you have legit complaints on how an organization is run, then voice those issues and exit with class. If the company does not utilize that data or information then its on them, but as a professional you did your part.
This is just how I see things. [/quote]
My opinion but if you’re going to pick out problems, you need to stick around to try sort them out. Otherwise, it’s a bit of a little bitch move to have a whinge then run away from it.
[/quote]
Listen, we live in the age of zero loyalty from employer to employee. I’ve always worked hard and tried to look out for my employer. This is a terribly foolish mindset and anyone who thinks their employer gives a shit about them is setting themselves up to get fucked in the corporate/non-profit world.
Your advice is terrible.
[/quote]
Always best to have your co-workers remember you in a good light more then anything. This is probably where your best job leads will come from. In my field, its a real small world and I constantly run into people I worked with many years back.
[quote]Captnoblivious wrote:
[quote]tsantos wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
What would be the point of letting them know how much you hated the job?[/quote]
For me it was because i liked my direct supervisor at my last job, we went out a few times and partied together after work and he was a good guy.
I didnt want him to think i had no loyalty and i was dipping on him for a few bucks more. Wanted him to understand there were fundamental issues with our operation and that i had an opportunity to alleviate those issues somewhere else.
Maybe this lead to them resolving some issues. Maybe not. As long as you arent a dick about it you should still be able to count on them for a reference in the future if needed. [/quote]
I will add that I realize people are by nature are selfish and petty. But now being an owner and manager I cannot fix things in my organization without feedback and knowledge. I welcome people to give an exit interview so I can make my company better. As a person who maybe leaving a company, you going to be one of those people your whole life that bitch and moan about everything but do nothing about it?
Kind of like being a FB or internet warrior of politics but not voting. If you have legit complaints on how an organization is run, then voice those issues and exit with class. If the company does not utilize that data or information then its on them, but as a professional you did your part.
This is just how I see things. [/quote]
My opinion but if you’re going to pick out problems, you need to stick around to try sort them out. Otherwise, it’s a bit of a little bitch move to have a whinge then run away from it.
[/quote]
Listen, we live in the age of zero loyalty from employer to employee. I’ve always worked hard and tried to look out for my employer. This is a terribly foolish mindset and anyone who thinks their employer gives a shit about them is setting themselves up to get fucked in the corporate/non-profit world.
Your advice is terrible.
[/quote]
My advice is don’t burn this bridge. I am taking that from the more general idea that unless you’re offering a fix to a problem, you don’t have a cry.
I’m happy to hear how you think this is a poor position to take but I suspect you just had a comprehension problem and went off half-cocked.
[quote]Broncoandy wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
You can always leave a steaming dragon in the bathroom on your last day. [/quote]
Is that like an upper decker?[/quote]
Dare I ask what that is ?
[quote]tsantos wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
What would be the point of letting them know how much you hated the job?[/quote]
For me it was because i liked my direct supervisor at my last job, we went out a few times and partied together after work and he was a good guy.
I didnt want him to think i had no loyalty and i was dipping on him for a few bucks more. Wanted him to understand there were fundamental issues with our operation and that i had an opportunity to alleviate those issues somewhere else.
Maybe this lead to them resolving some issues. Maybe not. As long as you arent a dick about it you should still be able to count on them for a reference in the future if needed. [/quote]
I will add that I realize people are by nature are selfish and petty. But now being an owner and manager I cannot fix things in my organization without feedback and knowledge. I welcome people to give an exit interview so I can make my company better. As a person who maybe leaving a company, you going to be one of those people your whole life that bitch and moan about everything but do nothing about it?
Kind of like being a FB or internet warrior of politics but not voting. If you have legit complaints on how an organization is run, then voice those issues and exit with class. If the company does not utilize that data or information then its on them, but as a professional you did your part.
This is just how I see things. [/quote]
My opinion but if you’re going to pick out problems, you need to stick around to try sort them out. Otherwise, it’s a bit of a little bitch move to have a whinge then run away from it.
[/quote]
I agree, but many staff members will never have the ability to institute change such as policy and procedure.
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
What would be the point of letting them know how much you hated the job?[/quote]
For me it was because i liked my direct supervisor at my last job, we went out a few times and partied together after work and he was a good guy.
I didnt want him to think i had no loyalty and i was dipping on him for a few bucks more. Wanted him to understand there were fundamental issues with our operation and that i had an opportunity to alleviate those issues somewhere else.
Maybe this lead to them resolving some issues. Maybe not. As long as you arent a dick about it you should still be able to count on them for a reference in the future if needed. [/quote]
I will add that I realize people are by nature are selfish and petty. But now being an owner and manager I cannot fix things in my organization without feedback and knowledge. I welcome people to give an exit interview so I can make my company better. As a person who maybe leaving a company, you going to be one of those people your whole life that bitch and moan about everything but do nothing about it?
Kind of like being a FB or internet warrior of politics but not voting. If you have legit complaints on how an organization is run, then voice those issues and exit with class. If the company does not utilize that data or information then its on them, but as a professional you did your part.
This is just how I see things. [/quote]
If you’re doing your job as a manager, you’ll be well aware of the issues staff are concerned about. Lines of communication are open and the spirit is one of shared desire for continual improvement. Your staff’s investment in the company’s growth is founded in appreciation of progress already made; it’s a return on the company’s investment in the pride and well being of the people working there.
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
What would be the point of letting them know how much you hated the job?[/quote]
For me it was because i liked my direct supervisor at my last job, we went out a few times and partied together after work and he was a good guy.
I didnt want him to think i had no loyalty and i was dipping on him for a few bucks more. Wanted him to understand there were fundamental issues with our operation and that i had an opportunity to alleviate those issues somewhere else.
Maybe this lead to them resolving some issues. Maybe not. As long as you arent a dick about it you should still be able to count on them for a reference in the future if needed. [/quote]
I will add that I realize people are by nature are selfish and petty. But now being an owner and manager I cannot fix things in my organization without feedback and knowledge. I welcome people to give an exit interview so I can make my company better. As a person who maybe leaving a company, you going to be one of those people your whole life that bitch and moan about everything but do nothing about it?
Kind of like being a FB or internet warrior of politics but not voting. If you have legit complaints on how an organization is run, then voice those issues and exit with class. If the company does not utilize that data or information then its on them, but as a professional you did your part.
This is just how I see things. [/quote]
If you’re doing your job as a manager, you’ll be well aware of the issues staff are concerned about. Lines of communication are open and the spirit is one of shared desire for continual improvement. Your staff’s investment in the company’s growth is founded in appreciation of progress already made; it’s a return on the company’s investment in the pride and well being of the people working there.
[/quote]
Distance is the problem Em, when you have managers that work 12 hours away you may not be able to be as involved. Yes those pathways are open, but they can be closed by bad managers. Not to derail to management issues.
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
What would be the point of letting them know how much you hated the job?[/quote]
For me it was because i liked my direct supervisor at my last job, we went out a few times and partied together after work and he was a good guy.
I didnt want him to think i had no loyalty and i was dipping on him for a few bucks more. Wanted him to understand there were fundamental issues with our operation and that i had an opportunity to alleviate those issues somewhere else.
Maybe this lead to them resolving some issues. Maybe not. As long as you arent a dick about it you should still be able to count on them for a reference in the future if needed. [/quote]
I will add that I realize people are by nature are selfish and petty. But now being an owner and manager I cannot fix things in my organization without feedback and knowledge. I welcome people to give an exit interview so I can make my company better. As a person who maybe leaving a company, you going to be one of those people your whole life that bitch and moan about everything but do nothing about it?
Kind of like being a FB or internet warrior of politics but not voting. If you have legit complaints on how an organization is run, then voice those issues and exit with class. If the company does not utilize that data or information then its on them, but as a professional you did your part.
This is just how I see things. [/quote]
If you’re doing your job as a manager, you’ll be well aware of the issues staff are concerned about. Lines of communication are open and the spirit is one of shared desire for continual improvement. Your staff’s investment in the company’s growth is founded in appreciation of progress already made; it’s a return on the company’s investment in the pride and well being of the people working there.
[/quote]
Distance is the problem Em, when you have managers that work 12 hours away you may not be able to be as involved. Yes those pathways are open, but they can be closed by bad managers. Not to derail to management issues.[/quote]
Okay, yes, that’s true. Still, I’ve left an organization I felt was toxic and its mismanagement style didn’t make me feel safe putting my one and only career on the line. I did give feedback to a supervisor I respected and got a dram of pained party line back. So, okay! My assumption is that if the next-up manager wanted feedback he’d have sought it when all of his senior clinicians started tendering polite, upbeat resignation letters. (We all work together again, for a better-managed company.)
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
What would be the point of letting them know how much you hated the job?[/quote]
For me it was because i liked my direct supervisor at my last job, we went out a few times and partied together after work and he was a good guy.
I didnt want him to think i had no loyalty and i was dipping on him for a few bucks more. Wanted him to understand there were fundamental issues with our operation and that i had an opportunity to alleviate those issues somewhere else.
Maybe this lead to them resolving some issues. Maybe not. As long as you arent a dick about it you should still be able to count on them for a reference in the future if needed. [/quote]
I will add that I realize people are by nature are selfish and petty. But now being an owner and manager I cannot fix things in my organization without feedback and knowledge. I welcome people to give an exit interview so I can make my company better. As a person who maybe leaving a company, you going to be one of those people your whole life that bitch and moan about everything but do nothing about it?
Kind of like being a FB or internet warrior of politics but not voting. If you have legit complaints on how an organization is run, then voice those issues and exit with class. If the company does not utilize that data or information then its on them, but as a professional you did your part.
This is just how I see things. [/quote]
If you’re doing your job as a manager, you’ll be well aware of the issues staff are concerned about. Lines of communication are open and the spirit is one of shared desire for continual improvement. Your staff’s investment in the company’s growth is founded in appreciation of progress already made; it’s a return on the company’s investment in the pride and well being of the people working there.
[/quote]
Distance is the problem Em, when you have managers that work 12 hours away you may not be able to be as involved. Yes those pathways are open, but they can be closed by bad managers. Not to derail to management issues.[/quote]
Okay, yes, that’s true. Still, I’ve left an organization I felt was toxic and its mismanagement style didn’t make me feel safe putting my one and only career on the line. I did give feedback to a supervisor I respected and got a dram of pained party line back. So, okay! My assumption is that if the next-up manager wanted feedback he’d have sought it when all of his senior clinicians started tendering polite, upbeat resignation letters. (We all work together again, for a better-managed company.)[/quote]
Exactly, I am sure the next-up manager was going WTF and then he asks the manager below who says “They were all just crazy needy people”. At some point a good manager will see a trend of turn over, but again that depends on if that manager gives a shit.
Any company that is across state lines faces this problem IMO.
Reason I have to travel to do site visits.
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
What would be the point of letting them know how much you hated the job?[/quote]
[/quote]
I am an employer, but am going to join the chorus of people who say:
There is no margin in telling the truth. Save the truth for later when you are drinking a beer with one of the people you worked with, if even then.
Why? The world is a very, very small place in any given industry. You will see these same people again and again over the course of a 40 year career. They will know people that will give you a job or work or whatever.
Yes, it sucks for the employer not to know about problems, but they won’t listen to you anyway. They already know about the problems, but will kill the messenger.
[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
I lie my ass off and keep it positive. It’s about the next job and why it’s better for you, not about what you didn’t like about the one you’re leaving.[/quote]
I did this last year sometime. I wasn’t overly positive, but I was overly professional and kept a dignified reserve.
I said I’m resigning, this is the property of the company’s I had and returned, and wrote everything up in an overt “legalese” type of language with dates and request for any future correspondence to be sent in writing.
I wasn’t the only one that left, and my management was trying to CYA to senior management, as they were tasked with “motivating their employees” despite the “policy changes” which was generally unsuccessful. The company ended up losing close to a whole business unit.
[quote]Captnoblivious wrote:
Listen, we live in the age of zero loyalty from employer to employee. I’ve always worked hard and tried to look out for my employer. This is a terribly foolish mindset and anyone who thinks their employer gives a shit about them is setting themselves up to get fucked in the corporate/non-profit world.
[/quote]
This really isn’t true. It’s too absolute.
The bigger the company, the more likely the chance of what you are saying being true, but I see it, day in and day out where this just isn’t the case.
There certainly are companies out there that care about, and take care of, employees. It’s just, like I tried to outline before, most employees over value themselves, and have zero idea what management is like or what it does on the daily. Employees expect way more than is possible sometimes, and if they don’t get their asses wiped, they feel like you describe.
The employee management relationship is complex, and shit rolls down hill. The two roles don’t ever have to take an “us v them” approach, but often do, and more often than not, it’s on the employee. The employee causes the rift, typically.
[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
What would be the point of letting them know how much you hated the job?[/quote]
[/quote]
I am an employer, but am going to join the chorus of people who say:
There is no margin in telling the truth. Save the truth for later when you are drinking a beer with one of the people you worked with, if even then.
Why? The world is a very, very small place in any given industry. You will see these same people again and again over the course of a 40 year career. They will know people that will give you a job or work or whatever.
Yes, it sucks for the employer not to know about problems, but they won’t listen to you anyway. They already know about the problems, but will kill the messenger.[/quote]
BINGO!
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Captnoblivious wrote:
Listen, we live in the age of zero loyalty from employer to employee. I’ve always worked hard and tried to look out for my employer. This is a terribly foolish mindset and anyone who thinks their employer gives a shit about them is setting themselves up to get fucked in the corporate/non-profit world.
[/quote]
This really isn’t true. It’s too absolute.
The bigger the company, the more likely the chance of what you are saying being true, but I see it, day in and day out where this just isn’t the case.
There certainly are companies out there that care about, and take care of, employees. It’s just, like I tried to outline before, most employees over value themselves, and have zero idea what management is like or what it does on the daily. Employees expect way more than is possible sometimes, and if they don’t get their asses wiped, they feel like you describe.
The employee management relationship is complex, and shit rolls down hill. The two roles don’t ever have to take an “us v them” approach, but often do, and more often than not, it’s on the employee. The employee causes the rift, typically. [/quote]
This is absolutely true in most cases.
It makes review time pretty uncomfortable at times, when they think they getting a perfect “score”, when in fact, they are typically just average.