How to Fix America

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Charlemagne wrote:
Taken from
“How We Can Win the Second American Revolution Without Firing a Shot”

A Tea Party Manifesto

by James Ostrowski

  1. Liquidate the global military empire, ending the two Asian land wars that George Bush got us into and the Democrats and Obama helped pay for.

  2. Take the savings, trillions, and liquidate the federal welfare state, buying out all Social Security recipients with lump sum payments.

  3. Abolish all the unconstitutional departments and programs like Education, Energy, HUD, HHS, and Agriculture.

  4. Then we can repeal the Goddamned Income Tax Amendment, the worst thing that ever happened to this country, except for possibly�¢??

  5. The Federal Reserve�¢??abolish it. Repeal the legal tender laws and gold and silver will automatically become market money.

  6. Now, add a couple of amendments to bring the moribund Constitution back to life. Ban all corporate welfare so we never again have bankster heists and corporate bailouts. And, since true federalism was destroyed in the Civil War, letÃ?¢??s recognize what the Founders understood in 1776, that any republic has the right to withdraw from a union when it so chooses. That will guarantee that the federal government will never again turn into a monstrous, murderous, counterfeiting kleptocacy…

Holy shit what a dose of REALISM:)

[/quote]

Yup.

In the year 1694, the King of England figured out that if you tell people that this piece of paper is really money and that you tell them they’ll be beheaded for refusing to recognize it as money, you can abscond with their wealth. This tradition is therefore over 300 years old and WILL NOT disappear because of someone’s visit to fantasyland as depicted above.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
Charlemagne wrote:
Taken from
“How We Can Win the Second American Revolution Without Firing a Shot”

A Tea Party Manifesto

by James Ostrowski

  1. Liquidate the global military empire, ending the two Asian land wars that George Bush got us into and the Democrats and Obama helped pay for.

  2. Take the savings, trillions, and liquidate the federal welfare state, buying out all Social Security recipients with lump sum payments.

  3. Abolish all the unconstitutional departments and programs like Education, Energy, HUD, HHS, and Agriculture.

  4. Then we can repeal the Goddamned Income Tax Amendment, the worst thing that ever happened to this country, except for possibly�?�¢??

  5. The Federal Reserve�?�¢??abolish it. Repeal the legal tender laws and gold and silver will automatically become market money.

  6. Now, add a couple of amendments to bring the moribund Constitution back to life. Ban all corporate welfare so we never again have bankster heists and corporate bailouts. And, since true federalism was destroyed in the Civil War, letÃ??Ã?¢??s recognize what the Founders understood in 1776, that any republic has the right to withdraw from a union when it so chooses. That will guarantee that the federal government will never again turn into a monstrous, murderous, counterfeiting kleptocacy…

Holy shit what a dose of REALISM:)

Yup.

In the year 1694, the King of England figured out that if you tell people that this piece of paper is really money and that you tell them they’ll be beheaded for refusing to recognize it as money, you can abscond with their wealth. This tradition is therefore over 300 years old and WILL NOT disappear because of someone’s visit to fantasyland as depicted above.

[/quote]

I agree ???

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[quote]orion wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
Charlemagne wrote:
Taken from
“How We Can Win the Second American Revolution Without Firing a Shot”

A Tea Party Manifesto

by James Ostrowski

  1. Liquidate the global military empire, ending the two Asian land wars that George Bush got us into and the Democrats and Obama helped pay for.

  2. Take the savings, trillions, and liquidate the federal welfare state, buying out all Social Security recipients with lump sum payments.

  3. Abolish all the unconstitutional departments and programs like Education, Energy, HUD, HHS, and Agriculture.

  4. Then we can repeal the Goddamned Income Tax Amendment, the worst thing that ever happened to this country, except for possibly�?�¢??

  5. The Federal Reserve�?�¢??abolish it. Repeal the legal tender laws and gold and silver will automatically become market money.

  6. Now, add a couple of amendments to bring the moribund Constitution back to life. Ban all corporate welfare so we never again have bankster heists and corporate bailouts. And, since true federalism was destroyed in the Civil War, letÃ??Ã?¢??s recognize what the Founders understood in 1776, that any republic has the right to withdraw from a union when it so chooses. That will guarantee that the federal government will never again turn into a monstrous, murderous, counterfeiting kleptocacy…

Holy shit what a dose of REALISM:)

Ah, those young folks these days.

Droning on about how the earth is round and not the center of the universe…

They’ll grow out of it.[/quote]

I really got it backwards Holy Realism what a dose of shit:)

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[quote]Charlemagne wrote:
Taken from
“How We Can Win the Second American Revolution Without Firing a Shot”

A Tea Party Manifesto

by James Ostrowski

  1. Liquidate the global military empire, ending the two Asian land wars that George Bush got us into and the Democrats and Obama helped pay for.

  2. Take the savings, trillions, and liquidate the federal welfare state, buying out all Social Security recipients with lump sum payments.

  3. Abolish all the unconstitutional departments and programs like Education, Energy, HUD, HHS, and Agriculture.

  4. Then we can repeal the Goddamned Income Tax Amendment, the worst thing that ever happened to this country, except for possiblyâ??

  5. The Federal Reserveâ??abolish it. Repeal the legal tender laws and gold and silver will automatically become market money.

  6. Now, add a couple of amendments to bring the moribund Constitution back to life. Ban all corporate welfare so we never again have bankster heists and corporate bailouts. And, since true federalism was destroyed in the Civil War, letâ??s recognize what the Founders understood in 1776, that any republic has the right to withdraw from a union when it so chooses. That will guarantee that the federal government will never again turn into a monstrous, murderous, counterfeiting kleptocacy…[/quote]

In twenty years we can take our proper place with Afghanistan and Somalia

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I would certainly be most happy to be wrong. It is not fun to be gloom-and-doom. But I know that the outcome of most fiat money systems is disasterous to the populations who get fleeced. And then, no one since Phillip II of Spain has run up such disasterous levels of debt; and look what happened to Spain.

In 1932, the average wage was 56 ounces of gold per year. It is now down to about 32 ounces per year. We’re being fleeced and voting for the fleecing.

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Thanks for confirming that PWI is barely worth checking in on any more.

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[quote]Charlemagne wrote:

And, since true federalism was destroyed in the Civil War, letâ??s recognize what the Founders understood in 1776, that any republic has the right to withdraw from a union when it so chooses. That will guarantee that the federal government will never again turn into a monstrous, murderous, counterfeiting kleptocacy…[/quote]

The Founders understood this in 1776? Shame they kept it to themselves.

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[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
Thanks for confirming that PWI is barely worth checking in on any more.[/quote]

Elitist much?

Of course, it DOES take real cojones to stay, to fight the good fight. How about starting some good threads and educating us ignorant Bible thumpers, clinging to our guns and our religion?

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:

Elitist much?[/quote]

What does what I said have to do with “elitism”? Dumb ideas are dumb ideas, and you wouldn’t be exclaiming “elitism!” if I was bashing Marxism.

There’s no fight here, and no cojones are required. This forum is a marketplace of ideas, and guess what - the market is working: people have stopped buying.

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[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:

There’s no fight here, and no cojones are required. This forum is a marketplace of ideas, and guess what - the market is working: people have stopped buying.[/quote]

I would say that the market place has actually flourished. Like in competition all that is left is the strongest element.

The down side is we won’t be getting much more opposing view points. Ever since my thread about Obama pursuing amnesty all the people who I apposed politically seemed to disappear.

Oh well I am sure by the end of 2010 they will be back to tell us how the conservatives are destroying the nation.

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[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
Charlemagne wrote:

And, since true federalism was destroyed in the Civil War, letÃ?¢??s recognize what the Founders understood in 1776, that any republic has the right to withdraw from a union when it so chooses. That will guarantee that the federal government will never again turn into a monstrous, murderous, counterfeiting kleptocacy…

The Founders understood this in 1776? Shame they kept it to themselves.
[/quote]

Come on, even I know that some were very outspoken about this.

Even Lincoln talked a pretty good talk when it came to Texas seceding from Mexico.

And then there is this little gem:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

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â??Let them part by all means if it is for their happiness to do so. It is but the elder and the younger son differing. God bless them both, and keep them in the Union if it be for their good, but separate them if better.â??

Thomas Jefferson

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[quote]orion wrote:

[text][/quote]

Your Swiss cheese memory continues to be a problem. We have hashed and rehashed this topic more times than I can count, and every time you embarrass yourself a little bit more on it.

Do a search, if you feel the need to run through it yet again.

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[quote]John S. wrote:

I would say that the market place has actually flourished. Like in competition all that is left is the strongest element. [/quote]

Let me make sure I don’t misunderstand you - you think the lack of diverse viewpoints and intelligent debate here at PWI is because your favored viewpoint “won” because of its “strength”?

Try again. This is the internet. The marketplace for ideas is nearly limitless. Folks interested in intelligent debate are finding other places to go and spend their time.

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In the marketplace of ideas substance will always beat out bombastic hyperbole.

It is no accident that the PWI forums have taken a majority libertarian bent and others have been run off. They cannot subdue logic and argumentative skill.

Voila!

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

In the marketplace of ideas substance will always beat out bombastic hyperbole.

It is no accident that the PWI forums have taken a majority libertarian bent and others have been run off. They cannot subdue logic and argumentative skill.

Voila![/quote]

In the exact same sense that the Betamax videocassette recording format “ran off” consumers into the waiting arms of VHS - twas the overwhlemingly superior quality of the Betamax that made those consumers dart away from one corner of the market into another.

Well done, Lifticus. Your analogies continue to impress even the most savvy of pre-schoolers.

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[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

In the marketplace of ideas substance will always beat out bombastic hyperbole.

It is no accident that the PWI forums have taken a majority libertarian bent and others have been run off. They cannot subdue logic and argumentative skill.

Voila!

In the exact same sense that the Betamax videocassette recording format “ran off” consumers into the waiting arms of VHS - twas the overwhlemingly superior quality of the Betamax that made those consumers dart away from one corner of the market into another.

Well done, Lifticus. Your analogies continue to impress even the most savvy of pre-schoolers.[/quote]

In all seriousness, what is wrong with this forum reflecting a more libertarian stance?

Previously, you said something like, “a dumb idea is a dumb idea”. Could you elaborate?

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[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
orion wrote:

[text]

Your Swiss cheese memory continues to be a problem. We have hashed and rehashed this topic more times than I can count, and every time you embarrass yourself a little bit more on it.

Do a search, if you feel the need to run through it yet again.[/quote]

You said the founders kept it to themselves.

In fact they kept it so secret that they put it right in the preamble of the Declaration of Independence.

It takes some serious skill not to find it and nobody that is not a true believer in your religion takes the twisting and bending it takes to argue that away serious.

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[quote]Dustin wrote:

In all seriousness, what is wrong with this forum reflecting a more libertarian stance? [/quote]

I don’t care if the forum reflects a libertarian “bent”. I am not invested in the notion that the forum should lean one way or the other.

Headhunter was complaining that I was being “elitist” because I snarled at yet another set of silly ideas as a post. He would not have the same complaint if I had a similar snarl at a post that promoted a likewise silly manifesto based on far-left communist principles.

If an idea is half-informed, half-baked, born out of juvenile idiocy, or otherwise just plain silly or even dangerously vile, it doesn’t matter where it comes from on the political spectrum - a bad idea is a bad idea, and bad ideas deserve scorn.

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[quote]orion wrote:

In fact they kept it so secret that they put it right in the preamble of the Declaration of Independence.[/quote]

The DOI recognizes a right of revolution, not a right of secession. We’ve been through this - sober up and do a search.

[quote]It takes some serious skill not to find it and nobody that is not a true believer in your religion takes the twisting and bending it takes to argue that away serious.
[/quote]

Orion, we both know you are a laughingstock on this issue. Go find something worthwhile to do - you haven’t the faintest clue on American history. You’ve tried this line over and over and over, with the same embarrassing result. When do you just learn to move on?