[quote]cwill1973 wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]cwill1973 wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]cwill1973 wrote:
The sheeple need to wake up and realize the global warming/climate change movement is about nothing more than money and power.[/quote]
So is the anti-climate change movement. So all we’re left with is the science, and while the science is often times inaccurate or proves later to be wrong, the majority of the scientific community still comes down on the side of climate change occurring.
If all this really boils down to is money and power, why would climate change scientists line up primarily on one side and not the other? Why wouldn’t they line up primarily with the oil industry? Why would they line up against a company like ExxonMobil if they’re concerned only about money and power?[/quote]
Governments have infinitely more power and money than any oil company. You forgot to mention the scientific data is quite often falsified.
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Okay, then why would ANY scientist line up on the side of the oil industry if it means lining up against a juggernaut that can offer WAY more power and money? And that ignores the obvious fact that the relationship between pro-climate change scientists and the gov’t is tenuous since it is entirely dependent upon which party is in the White House. If you’re on the side of the oil industry, you’ll ALWAYS have power and money in your corner.
Are you trying to tell me that the scientists on the side of the oil industry are not concerned at all with power and money? That only one side falsifies or purposely misinterprets data? Don’t sell me the hooker with the heart of gold, pal. Your argument holds absolutely zero water.[/quote]
So all scientists who don’t believe in the religion of man-made global warming are on the side and payroll of oil companies? Perhaps, more than likely, they see the claims of the GW adherents as bullshit. The catastrophic predictions that have been made in the past 20 years that have not come to fruition would make me embarrassed to admit I believed in any of it.
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Not all of them are, but most of the links provided in these sorts of discussions from the anti-climate change crowd are from people who, upon further investigation, are not scientists or are scientists who work for “think tanks” and lobbyists who operate with oil industry money. The Heartland Institute and pretty much everything posted on Forbes’ website fits that bill perfectly.
I almost pissed myself laughing at James Taylor’s bio in one of the articles Doogie provided. He says he “studied” science in college and has a degree in “government”. All that means is that he took a couple of required science classes as part of his general education requirements. And he’s writing on behalf of the Heartland Institute, a lobbyist organization receiving millions and millions from the oil industry. Another article was written by a guy who was the editor-in-chief of a major oil industry trade magazine.
You mention the catastrophic predictions. Yes, those are and were ridiculous. That isn’t the entirety of the scientific community, but when it suits your argument it all of a sudden becomes indicative of the whole thing. It’s disingenuous and you know it. There’s a middle ground, but you refuse to acknowledge its existence and prefer to deal with one extreme or the other. I think the extreme views on either end are ridiculous, but quite frankly, given the potential consequences, I’d rather lend a little more credibility to the alarmists than the deniers. Over-prepared beats under-prepared any day of the week.
And I’ll remind you that I have NEVER called for massive governmental intrusion into the marketplace and that sort of thing. I’ve almost never called for anything along those lines. What I am talking about when I say “how to adjust to climate change” is more along the lines of infrastructure changes, personal changes, and that sort of thing. Chances are, if it’s anthropomorphic it’s too late to reverse anything in a meaningful way. But we can still prepare for the end result. You know, sort of like what the Armed Forces has been doing and calling for over the last couple years.