[quote]1-packlondoner wrote:
pat36 wrote:
You are asserting that there is not one shred of evidence that God exists?
LOL!
I have no burden of proof to show you anything. If you want to know find out yourself, it’s not my problem. I’d start with miricales and move on from there. Those are the most obvious interaction between God and our ability to sense IT. I really don’t give a crap whether your atheist or not.
It’s my assertion that you should not feel superior that you are. And given how poorly reasoned your arguments are, you misuse of logical fallacys and missunderstanding of burden of proof, you certainly need not feel so supirior.
Interesting.
Yep, I think I will go on record as saying I don’t think there is one shred of evidence that proves God exists. There may be ‘circumstantial’ or anecdotal evidence which can be interpreted as in keeping with text from the Bible, or Qur’an, but neither of these forms of argument would hold up in any court of law.
As for your ‘miricales’ - I’m assuming they are the same as what other people call ‘miracles’. I will hand on heart convert to your faith of choice right now if you can show me a miracle (or miricale) that can be shown to have not happened either through naturally occurring events, or was not a case of suggestion, whether conscious or sub-conscious on the part of the witness.
Remember, our brains are programmed to make sense out of chaos - to create recognisable shapes out of disarray. What what is more familiar than a human face? Stare at a cloud for long enough and you’ll see a face. Then show your friend and they’ll see it too.
I would also be extremely interested to gain a greater understanding of your version of the concept of the ‘burden of proof’.
Here’s mine, as I understand it.
1)We start from ground zero.
2)I come to you suggesting a premise. Possibly a premise that might be outlandish enough that immediately you don’t take me at my word.
3)You say I don’t believe you. Prove to me that this premise is true.
4)I show you said proof.
5)You accept said proof, or show that said proof is in fact extremely flimsy.
6) I then either provide incontrovertible proof, or am unable to prove the premise I suggested.
Now, as I understand it there is another version of the ‘burden of proof’ which goes a little like this…
1)We start from ground zero.
2)I come to you suggesting a premise. Possibly a premise that might be outlandish enough that immediately you don’t take me at my word.
3)You say I don’t believe you. Prove to me that this premise is true.
4)I say it was written down 2000 years ago and loads of people, some of them really clever, believed it so it must be true.
5)You are unable to find fault with this erudite presentation and accept that cast-iron argument and we subsequently all live happily ever after believing the premise.
Was I far off?
By the way - ONE MORE TIME!
Don’t forget, YOU are atheist too. With regard to a belief in Allah, Zeus, Thor, the Flying Spaghetti Monster etc…
Why the Christian God over all those, some of which are far older, or in the case of FSM, far cooler?
An accident of birth? Surely had you been born and raised in Basra you would not have been a Christian. And you would have believed just as readily that Allah, peace be upon him, was the one true God and that those who were of the Christian faith were infidels.
Surely you can see that this ‘faith by birthplace’ is not a good enough reason for believing YOUR faith to be the only true one.
So explain to me why Christianity is the one true faith, especially when you take into consideration that the Bible was supposedly written by apostles - Humans - imperfect and full of sin by definition, therefore capable of mistakes or interpretation, just like the King James translation of the Bible introduced at a much later date, whereas the Holy Qur’an is apparently the very word of God Himself, with no room for distortion of His word or message…
I love these chats. :)[/quote]
Here’s what you forgot. I relly don’t give a fuck if your an atheist or not. It is you trying to convince me that there is no God therefore the burden of proof lies with you. Prove God does not exist and I’ll follow. There are plenty of unexplainable events and other evidences that God exists.
Whether they hold credibility with you or not is a different story. There is a hell of a lot more evidence as it pertains to God’s existance, then there is evidence of the conclusion that there is no God. If you want to know, do the research yourself. Your not my student, padwan, or intern. The only way I would bother is if you had a vested interest in learning about God, the purpose of religion and Christianity.
I am not trying to convince you of anything. I am merely pointing out you cannot disprove the existance of God any more than I can prove it. Hell, I spent to much time with you as it is.
