Cheers mate!
Speaking of joe bloggs… i actually worked at the guys house next to the american embassy. Im not sure if he is called joe or what but still…
I have no idea why I posted that
[quote]rugggby wrote:
Cheers mate!
Speaking of joe bloggs… i actually worked at the guys house next to the american embassy. Im not sure if he is called joe or what but still…
I have no idea why I posted that[/quote]
Haha madness!
Sorry to Shizen for the threadjack.
I’m currently using HCG for the first time, and it’s working alright. About 7 weeks in now and my balls are still pretty full (not 100% though) at 250iu 2x a week. I probably won’t use it again. I personally tend to recover really fast and keep most of my gains, so I’m finding it difficult to justify the extra cost and extra injections.
As for buying needles, between the self righteous jerk off pharmacists asking me all sorts of questions and the judgmental stares I think I’ll just stick to buying them online lol.
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I probably won’t use it again. I personally tend to recover really fast and keep most of my gains, so I’m finding it difficult to justify the extra cost and extra injections.
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I think you are ignoring the real benefits of hcg mate…especially the pregnenolone production…
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
FSH [/quote]
LH, not FSH. You need HMG if you require FSH.
BBB[/quote]
You’re right of course…I was having a brain fart
BBB, long time no hear and same for you vtballa…how’s it going?
sorry diidnt see the date…
Hi. How are you? Read your post on T Nation. I just finished my first cycle of Test Cypionate about 600mg per week split on 2 day 300mg spread. My nuts needless to say shrank and my Dr. now put me on a 4 week cycle of 10,000 HCG.
Should I assume he is going to start me on PCT after that and I will have to wait an additional 6 months before I can start my second cycle?
Thanks in advance for your response.
VT,
Do you use hcg on your 80/80 trt protocol?
Surely you are shut down at that dosage over time.
The only reason I ask is because there is SO MUCH conflicting info out there regarding hcg.
It has mental benefits for me, but makes me soft.
So there are positives and negatives to it.
Personal preference I guess.
Trial and error.
I do like 80/80, but hcg/ai dosing becomes tricky.
Just curious if you don’t mind,what protocol are you currently running?
Thank you.
hCG makes you soft?
What dosing?
250iu SC EOD is a LH replacement dose. More is not better.
Hey Ksman,
I never take more than 250iu, but I must take it with Adex if I take it alone that will create issues.
I am what you call an “Adex over responder” so dosing can be tricky.
I have the liquid but actually prefer to cut my tabs in quarters.
At 60/250/.25 (2x/wk) TT was 550 and e2 was 21 on trough day. But still experienced low e2 symptoms, especially day of dosing and day after.
I am low shbg so would benefit from going eod or e3d, but again Adex dosing tricky.
I was away all summer without hcg. I ran 80/80 and .25 mwf, but still experienced low e2 symptoms.
I just added hcg back in the mix last week and already feel mental benefits.
Was running preg cream while away but not the same.
I know I have to stick with a protocol now and get labs.
Am thinking either 80/80 and 250/.25 (mwf) or 60/250/.25 (e3d).
Low e2 has caused me more problems than anything else by far.
I know this isn’t my personal thread but since you asked, any feedback would be appreciated.
If you want to preserve your balls size, your fertility, and your own test production, you would use HCG. If you don’t want to have kids and convinced that you’ll NEVER EVER STOP using steroids, doing blast and cruise or TRT for the rest of your life, hummm… you don’t need HCG… BUT WE CHANGE, life changes, circunstances changes all the time, so you should consider using HCG. It’s like a safer mode ON. Not safe, safer.
JQ:
TT was 550, very low for you T dosing
You may be a testosterone hyper-metabolizer. We see guys like this who need 300mg/week to get where others are on 100mg/week. In this case, the effective half life is short and injecting twice a week is not enough.
Suggest that you try 240mg/week in EOD dosing and take anastrozole then. Anastrozole dose may need to be different than achieved cutting pills! So use a liquid product. If you cannot get T near 900-1000, try more T.
When you do as above, T levels will be more sustained. You problem may be dropping T levels where anastrozole is then too dominant. You need steady T levels for anastrozole to be in proper balance. And with higher T levels, E2 will not be crashing.
If SHBG is low, you need to be watching FT or Bio-T levels and these may need to be driving your dosing and not TT.
Please read these stickies in the TRT forum:
- advice for new guys
- protocol for injections
Ksman,
I agree with you 100%.
The swing between my peak and my trough probably drastic.
TT might have been over 1000 one day post injection. With a rapid drop off.
Low SHBG.
Yeah my free T is always above TT, as far as the range is concerned.
Ksman, Would you recommend running hcg from the beginning, or get the T:E squared away first before incorporating anything else into a new protocol?
Thiago,
I don’t care about fertility or ball size, however i experience mental benefits from HCG.
Probably something to do with pregnenolone.
If hCG is going to be in you protocol, better to include now so any of its effects on labs are seen now.
Have you investigated reasons why SHBG is low?
Not sure Ksman,
Could be high protein diet.
It hovers around 16-18.
It’s not the worst thing in the world.
I need to stop denying the positive effects I get from hcg.
It’s just the Adex dosing that is the tricky part.
Maybe 80/250/.25 (e3d)
I’m jealous of those that take T + HCG without AI.
Ksman there are several that take T + HCG without AI.
I’m just too scared to give it a try haha
I’m sorry.
I meant T + HCG without an AI.
Some have higher estradiol levels and feel fine.
Even into the high 30’s and 40’s.