No. It just means that someone killed someone.
Strictly speaking, there is no such thing than an unsolved murder. Only unsolved deaths.
Only a court can say if those deaths are murders or not. And once a court say it, it’s not unsolved anymore.
[quote]kamui wrote:
No. It just means that someone killed someone.
Strictly speaking, there is no such thing than an unsolved murder. Only unsolved deaths.
Only a court can say if those deaths are murders or not. And once a court say it, it’s not unsolved anymore.
[/quote]
Oh lord, you’re absolutly right. The dead guy here has 17 bullet holes in him, but he wasn’t “murdered” he was “killed” cause you know “murder” is a legal term used post conviction.
Did you have a point, other than to point out I technically used the wrong word?
[quote]kamui wrote:
No. It just means that someone killed someone.
Strictly speaking, there is no such thing than an unsolved murder. Only unsolved deaths.
Only a court can say if those deaths are murders or not. And once a court say it, it’s not unsolved anymore.
[/quote]
I’m not sure this is accurate. A coroner can rule a death a homicide or determine that the death was a murder or the result of foul play without identifying a defendant or “solving” the crime. If someone gets killed in a drive-by its still a murder even if they haven’t I.D.'d the defendant or defendants.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
This is one of the most ridiculous things I’ve ever read. Yes, you did steal that MP3 player. [/quote]
Gee, no I didn’t.
If the OWNER of the store looks at me and say it is ok…how can you say I stole it?
No one is accusing or prosecuting these people of anything…and the store itself sat there and let them check out.
That was the store’s fault.
That is how the law works in this country.
Otherwise, we could be guilty until proven innocent.[/quote]
No, the store processed the EBT transactions, ON GOOD FAITH, that the money was there. Wal-mart wasn’t like, “Hey take everything you want since the EBT system is down…” Your example isn’t the same a what happened. [/quote]
Let’e get serious, man. You’re military too so I know you have real world experience on lock down.
You know as well as I do that Walmart was trying to get over and was hoping for a big return on the back end.
THEY FUCKED UP.
I only fault Walmart for that fuck up.[/quote]
I don’t know what Wal-Mart was thinking. They could of turned these shoppers away. It would of been a PR nightmare and likely a law suit, but they could of done it.
I don’t understand how you can blatantly condone the actions of the shoppers that knowingly “bought” goods with EBT cards they 100% knew wouldn’t cover the cost of the items. This is fraud and theft.
You known what they taught me in the Marine Corps., integrity.
[quote]kamui wrote:
No. It just means that someone killed someone.
Strictly speaking, there is no such thing than an unsolved murder. Only unsolved deaths.
Only a court can say if those deaths are murders or not. And once a court say it, it’s not unsolved anymore.
[/quote]
You see, gentlemen? This is why we need to continue to have educated posters from Europe on this site: to remind us that words actually do have meanings.
Kamui, si’l vous plait, come over to the Teen Pregnancy/Planned Parenthood thread.
There seems to be some confusion over the words “killing”, “murder”, “rights”, “laws”, “persons” and “humans” going on there. A bientot.
[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
[quote]kamui wrote:
No. It just means that someone killed someone.
Strictly speaking, there is no such thing than an unsolved murder. Only unsolved deaths.
Only a court can say if those deaths are murders or not. And once a court say it, it’s not unsolved anymore.
[/quote]
I’m not sure this is accurate. A coroner can rule a death a homicide or determine that the death was a murder or the result of foul play without identifying a defendant or “solving” the crime. If someone gets killed in a drive-by its still a murder even if they haven’t I.D.'d the defendant or defendants. [/quote]
I wouldn’t even bother. It’s semantics, that’s all it is for the majority of us that aren’t lawyers.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]kamui wrote:
No. It just means that someone killed someone.
Strictly speaking, there is no such thing than an unsolved murder. Only unsolved deaths.
Only a court can say if those deaths are murders or not. And once a court say it, it’s not unsolved anymore.
[/quote]
You see, gentlemen? This is why we need to continue to have educated posters from Europe on this site: to remind us that words actually do have meanings.
Kamui, si’l vous plait, come over to the Teen Pregnancy/Planned Parenthood thread.
There seems to be some confusion over the words “killing”, “murder”, “rights”, “laws”, “persons” and “humans” going on there. A bientot. [/quote]
I think the posters on PWI are intelligent enough to figure out, in most cases, words like "killing’ and “murder” are interchangeable for a lay person that doesn’t practice law. In many cases it’s such a minor detail, that is wrong, but the point isn’t affected by the word choice.
We’re not all lawyers or writers here.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
[quote]kamui wrote:
No. It just means that someone killed someone.
Strictly speaking, there is no such thing than an unsolved murder. Only unsolved deaths.
Only a court can say if those deaths are murders or not. And once a court say it, it’s not unsolved anymore.
[/quote]
I’m not sure this is accurate. A coroner can rule a death a homicide or determine that the death was a murder or the result of foul play without identifying a defendant or “solving” the crime. If someone gets killed in a drive-by its still a murder even if they haven’t I.D.'d the defendant or defendants. [/quote]
I wouldn’t even bother. It’s semantics, that’s all it is for the majority of us that aren’t lawyers. [/quote]
Homicide and murder are not synonymous. Homicide may include murder, but it may also include killings that are justified, or accidental.
A coroner may rule “wrongful death” but cannot always, just from looking at a corpse, determine that the death was committed in a malicious or premeditated manner.
You don’t have to be a lawyer to know what words mean.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
[quote]kamui wrote:
No. It just means that someone killed someone.
Strictly speaking, there is no such thing than an unsolved murder. Only unsolved deaths.
Only a court can say if those deaths are murders or not. And once a court say it, it’s not unsolved anymore.
[/quote]
I’m not sure this is accurate. A coroner can rule a death a homicide or determine that the death was a murder or the result of foul play without identifying a defendant or “solving” the crime. If someone gets killed in a drive-by its still a murder even if they haven’t I.D.'d the defendant or defendants. [/quote]
I wouldn’t even bother. It’s semantics, that’s all it is for the majority of us that aren’t lawyers. [/quote]
Homicide and murder are not synonymous. Homicide may include murder, but it may also include killings that are justified, or accidental.
A coroner may rule “wrongful death” but cannot always, just from looking at a corpse, determine that the death was committed in a malicious or premeditated manner.
You don’t have to be a lawyer to know what words mean.
[/quote]
If was to ask 100 of my co-workers what a homicide is, what do you think the majority will say? Words certainly have their definition, but they often also have a common meaning.
Sometimes word choice is is extremely important and sometimes, like on an interent forum, it isn’t. It’s just nitpicking.
not really.
this delicate nuance between an homicide and a murder is one of the rare things that make our current legal and political system better than its predecessor.
It took us a Revolution to teach this nuance to the State.
If the majority doesn’t know it anymore, it just means that we may have to do it again.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]kamui wrote:
No. It just means that someone killed someone.
Strictly speaking, there is no such thing than an unsolved murder. Only unsolved deaths.
Only a court can say if those deaths are murders or not. And once a court say it, it’s not unsolved anymore.
[/quote]
You see, gentlemen? This is why we need to continue to have educated posters from Europe on this site: to remind us that words actually do have meanings.
Kamui, si’l vous plait, come over to the Teen Pregnancy/Planned Parenthood thread.
There seems to be some confusion over the words “killing”, “murder”, “rights”, “laws”, “persons” and “humans” going on there. A bientot. [/quote]
I think the posters on PWI are intelligent enough to figure out, in most cases, words like "killing’ and “murder” are interchangeable for a lay person that doesn’t practice law. In many cases it’s such a minor detail, that is wrong, but the point isn’t affected by the word choice.
We’re not all lawyers or writers here.
[/quote]
Well, I am all about freedom of choice. You are free to choose to use words and concepts incorrectly or misleadingly, I am free to choose to correct you.
Murder is the intentional, unlawful, malicious, killing of a human being by another human being.
By that definition, lions do not commit murder when they kill gazelles or other lions.
I do not commit murder if I kill that lion, because it is not human.
Soldiers do not commit murder if they are firing on an enemy combatant, because the death would not be unlawful.
I am not committing murder if a child runs out in front of my car and I can’t brake in time to avoid hitting and killing it, because the killing would neither be malicious or intentional.
I could give another example of a type of homicide that is not murder, but we’ll save that for the other thread, shall we?
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
[quote]kamui wrote:
No. It just means that someone killed someone.
Strictly speaking, there is no such thing than an unsolved murder. Only unsolved deaths.
Only a court can say if those deaths are murders or not. And once a court say it, it’s not unsolved anymore.
[/quote]
I’m not sure this is accurate. A coroner can rule a death a homicide or determine that the death was a murder or the result of foul play without identifying a defendant or “solving” the crime. If someone gets killed in a drive-by its still a murder even if they haven’t I.D.'d the defendant or defendants. [/quote]
I wouldn’t even bother. It’s semantics, that’s all it is for the majority of us that aren’t lawyers. [/quote]
Homicide and murder are not synonymous. Homicide may include murder, but it may also include killings that are justified, or accidental.
A coroner may rule “wrongful death” but cannot always, just from looking at a corpse, determine that the death was committed in a malicious or premeditated manner.
You don’t have to be a lawyer to know what words mean.
[/quote]
If was to ask 100 of my co-workers what a homicide is, what do you think the majority will say? Words certainly have their definition, but they often also have a common meaning.
Sometimes word choice is is extremely important and sometimes, like on an interent forum, it isn’t. It’s just nitpicking. [/quote]
All “homicide” means is “killing a human”. By itself it is not a criminal act.
I would hope at least half of your co-workers would know that.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]kamui wrote:
No. It just means that someone killed someone.
Strictly speaking, there is no such thing than an unsolved murder. Only unsolved deaths.
Only a court can say if those deaths are murders or not. And once a court say it, it’s not unsolved anymore.
[/quote]
You see, gentlemen? This is why we need to continue to have educated posters from Europe on this site: to remind us that words actually do have meanings.
Kamui, si’l vous plait, come over to the Teen Pregnancy/Planned Parenthood thread.
There seems to be some confusion over the words “killing”, “murder”, “rights”, “laws”, “persons” and “humans” going on there. A bientot. [/quote]
I think the posters on PWI are intelligent enough to figure out, in most cases, words like "killing’ and “murder” are interchangeable for a lay person that doesn’t practice law. In many cases it’s such a minor detail, that is wrong, but the point isn’t affected by the word choice.
We’re not all lawyers or writers here.
[/quote]
Murder is the intentional, unlawful, malicious, killing of a human being by another human being.
[/quote]
Whoa, wait a second now, I thought in order for it to be murder a person had to be convicted, otherwise as Kamui pointed out:
[quote]kamui wrote:
No. It just means that someone killed someone.
[/quote]
[quote]
Whoa, wait a second now, I thought in order for it to be murder a person had to be convicted, otherwise as Kamui pointed out: [/quote]
Yes. And that’s why he said “unlawful”.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
[quote]kamui wrote:
No. It just means that someone killed someone.
Strictly speaking, there is no such thing than an unsolved murder. Only unsolved deaths.
Only a court can say if those deaths are murders or not. And once a court say it, it’s not unsolved anymore.
[/quote]
I’m not sure this is accurate. A coroner can rule a death a homicide or determine that the death was a murder or the result of foul play without identifying a defendant or “solving” the crime. If someone gets killed in a drive-by its still a murder even if they haven’t I.D.'d the defendant or defendants. [/quote]
I wouldn’t even bother. It’s semantics, that’s all it is for the majority of us that aren’t lawyers. [/quote]
Homicide and murder are not synonymous. Homicide may include murder, but it may also include killings that are justified, or accidental.
A coroner may rule “wrongful death” but cannot always, just from looking at a corpse, determine that the death was committed in a malicious or premeditated manner.
You don’t have to be a lawyer to know what words mean.
[/quote]
If was to ask 100 of my co-workers what a homicide is, what do you think the majority will say? Words certainly have their definition, but they often also have a common meaning.
Sometimes word choice is is extremely important and sometimes, like on an interent forum, it isn’t. It’s just nitpicking. [/quote]
All “homicide” means is “killing a human”. By itself it is not a criminal act.
I would hope at least half of your co-workers would know that.
[/quote]
In laymans terms homicide is synonymous with murder. That is what the majority of my co-works would say because that is the common definition. It’s not what Webster would say, but that’s how it is. That is reality.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
A coroner may rule “wrongful death” but cannot always, just from looking at a corpse, determine that the death was committed in a malicious or premeditated manner.
[/quote]
The flip side is sometimes you can.
Also, if I as a citizen witness someone get gunned down in a drive by, I can rightly conclude the victim has been “murdered” even if I don’t know who did it and even though nobody has been caught. I don’t need the state’s sanction to conclude that somebody has been murdered and I fully understand that there are can be differences between a “homicide” and a “murder.”
Frankly, I stepped in here late and probably shouldn’t have commented because I’m not following this thread so I’m not really clear what the point of this discussion is, so, sorry, carry on.
[quote]kamui wrote:
Yes. And that’s why he said “unlawful”. [/quote]
Well, now I’m really confused. How is this:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
It still means SOMEONE murdered SOMEONE.[/quote]
Wrong then?
If someone unlawfully kills someone, it’s murder, right?
[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
A coroner may rule “wrongful death” but cannot always, just from looking at a corpse, determine that the death was committed in a malicious or premeditated manner.
[/quote]
Frankly, I’m stepped in here late and probably shouldn’t have commented because I’m not following this thread so I’m not really clear what the point of this discussion is, so, sorry, carry on. [/quote]
It was about people stealing from Wal-Mart.
Oh wait, not stealing, because they haven’t been convicted. It was about one entity actively taking property from another one entity without giving proper consideration for said property.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]kamui wrote:
Yes. And that’s why he said “unlawful”. [/quote]
Well, now I’m really confused. How is this:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
It still means SOMEONE murdered SOMEONE.[/quote]
Wrong then?
If someone unlawfully kills someone, it’s murder, right?[/quote]
Right.
But in our current system, it’s a court prerogative to determine whether someone has been killed unlawfully or not.