NOOB
Try it for yourself , I’m also 17 every grown man on here is gonna say its bad for you and blah blah blah give it a try and juice up , since it’s your first time try test only maybe a good 20week cycle
Yup, blah blah blah… the only way to get good advice is to listen to another 17 year old.
Defining good advice as being what you want to hear.
There is simple way to get more testosterone.
Print tons of this picture, you will get tons of testosterone
Although I can’t generally recommend teens (or anyone) to use steroids, there is a lot that I agree with in the post that you linked to.
I think it is absolutely very much possible for a teen (but not just any teen) to use these drugs without any problems, but that would depend on a number of factors (in my opinion: 1. their body happens to tolerate the drugs without any problems 2. they have the right mentality, work ethic, etc.). Again, I am stating that there are circumstances where it could be done, but I definitely cannot be held responsible for recommending it.
As much as people will be rattled, here is my opinion:
There are probably cases of say teenaged Olympic Weightlifters who were either required to by their coaches, or decided to, use drugs early into their training careers.
I am sure that lots of these guys still learned how to train and eat properly, were not permanently dependent on the drugs, and did not suffer any health problems.
By the way, in regards to the issue about needing to learn how to train and eat before using drugs: I always trained really hard, but never started properly programming my lifts or properly tracking my diet until I was ON my first cycle. Guess what, I used what I had learned about eating and training to gain an extra 15lb faster than I had ever before between the end of my first cycle and the start of my second.
I am an example that it can be ‘learned’, but it is true that many people would not.
Again, it depends on different factors, and I can’t safely recommend anything to you.
EDIT: To clarify, I am sort of ranting my theoretical opinion here, but based on what you described I definitely recommend that you don’t use (yet).
[quote]There are probably cases of say teenaged Olympic Weightlifters who were either required to by their coaches, or decided to, use drugs early into their training careers.
I am sure that lots of these guys still learned how to train and eat properly, were not permanently dependent on the drugs, and did not suffer any health problems. [/quote]
Good God I really can’t be bothered to get into this topic again but this part is probably the most stupid thing I’ve read in a long time.
[quote]dt79 wrote:
Good God I really can’t be bothered to get into this topic again but this part is probably the most stupid thing I’ve read in a long time.[/quote]
Well as I had given the example with myself, it is possible to not be ruined by starting gear while still learning about eating and training (everyone is endlessly upgrading their knowledge - where do you draw the line?).
I give the example of Olympic Weightlifting because those guys have excellent coaching about how to train and eat.
My argument is that if someone is still learning to train and eat but their source of knowledge (example: their coach) is teaching them how to train and eat properly, then them deciding to use gear too early doesn’t magically predispose them to not learning proper methods.
I do realize that the vast majority of young people left to their own devices probably wouldn’t learn the proper methods however.
So the argument is that it is not possible for a teenager to use without suffering health problems?
[quote]Andy.Now wrote:
[quote]dt79 wrote:
Good God I really can’t be bothered to get into this topic again but this part is probably the most stupid thing I’ve read in a long time.[/quote]
Well as I had given the example with myself, it is possible to not be ruined by using while still learning about eating and training (everyone is endlessly upgrading their knowledge - where do you draw the line?).
I do realize that the vast majority of young people left to their own devices probably wouldn’t learn as well however.
So the argument is that it is not possible for a teenager to use without suffering health problems?[/quote]
I’m not going to write a long post explaining the idiocy of comparing the average teen to OLYMPIC ATHLETES. I will save the effort for when a real misguided teen posts here.
What I am surprised at is the fact that there are numerous compelling reasons why a TEEN should not use and these have been posted many times on this forum before, but you somehow latched on to the idea that one of the main reasons is the inability to train and eat properly.
Tell me what does having the knowledge and the ability to eat and train properly have to do with using when we’re talking about potential for PERMANENT neurological and physiological damage at that age?
[quote]dt79 wrote:
Tell me what does having the knowledge and the ability to eat and train properly have to do with using when we’re talking about potential for PERMANENT neurological and physiological damage at that age?[/quote]
To be perfectly honest, my gut feeling is that the extent to which people say gear is THAT much worse for a teen than for an adult is blown out of proportion.
There is definitely a factor of chance involved, so I would not recommend any teen to use gear, but in perfect honesty I don’t expect to see really any more damage done to the majority of teens who juice compared to the majority of adults who juice.
I am sure lots of guys juiced when they were teens and recovered ok and didn’t notice any real health problems from it. Maybe my opinion is influenced by the fact that I seem to suffer very few side affects, and recover extremely well. I am reasonably confident that if I had decided to juice when I was a teen that I would be the about the same as I am now.
That’s my honest opinion weather it angers you or not, but again I don’t recommend any teens to juice.
EDIT: Furthermore, another example that is sure to piss many people off:
We can all agree that using cocaine is bad for you - quite bad infact, and probably more dangerous if you are a teenager.
If a group of teenagers at a party decide to use cocaine, we all agree that it is definitely NOT ‘safe’, and we definitely would NOT recommend it.
At the same time, anyone who has been around that knows that it is still very very probable that all of those kids will be perfectly fine after without any health problems whatsoever.
This is my similar ‘practical’ opinion.
[quote]Andy.Now wrote:
my gut feeling[/quote]
This is why I’m not wasting my time arguing with you.
However, I do hope that, being an adult, you will refrain from giving irresponsible advice like what you’ve written above to a teen if one were to post here.
Health is one of many reasons teens should not use steroids. Use your brain.
Kid, do whatever you want. Fuck yourself up. No one cares. Stop wasting our time debating the obvious.
You weigh 154lbs. Steroids will not help you, a diet and training will. At your age you shouldn’t even think about putting any exogenous hormones into your body but if you are dumb enough to do it I won’t lose sleep over it. Darwin’s law.
[quote]nooberific wrote:
Kid, do whatever you want. Fuck yourself up. No one cares. Stop wasting our time debating the obvious.
You weigh 154lbs. Steroids will not help you, a diet and training will. At your age you shouldn’t even think about putting any exogenous hormones into your body but if you are dumb enough to do it I won’t lose sleep over it. Darwin’s law.[/quote]
Darwin’s law could literally be the case if he wasn’t able to reproduce in the future.
I’m dying of laughter, it took you a year to gain 1 stone as a newbie. Keeping in mind your 6 foot and went from 10 stone to 11 stone. Are you fucking serious you don’t need steroids you need to fucking eat. Oh and the gym is my life you said and then you say you go 3 days a week? The fuck, what are you only alive 3 days a week or something? Holy shit dude go learn some shit first. You want some cycle advice? Here take your brain out, put it in the washing machine and put it through a few fucking spin cycles you spastic.