[quote]tedro wrote:
I care because I want my children and grandchildren and their children to live in a free, moral America. I don’t want the gay agenda shoved down their throat. I don’t want some liberal-hippie-commies controlling this country and crying every time somebody may be slightly offended. I want them to live in a free society where people are moral, respectful, and just.
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I want my children and grandchildren living in a free, moral America as well. But here’s a question that you need to ask yourself: Do you want your children living in a country where the government can tell them who they can and cannot marry? Or better yet, would you want to live in an America where the government (or other people for that matter) can tell YOU who you can and can’t marry?
Really think that question through and think about the ramifications that it could have. The government in American is no longer “of the people, for the people and by the people” (unless you define “the people” as being the 1% of super rich scumbags who are actually in control of this country), these people have an agenda and if you give them the chance, will push that agenda on you.
What if someone came out and suggested that there could be no more interracial marriages and used statistical evidence that the majority of prisoners are of african and hispanic decent? Therefore, those groups of people are inherently more violent and prone to crime. We should just breed them out of the gene pool and this would decrease crime in our country, thus making it a more moral and safe place (by the way I do not in any way agree with anything I just wrote, I’m simply using it as an example).
What if someone suggested that Muslims (or any other religious group) should no longer be able to procreate because…point to some either current or past atrocity committed by this group, it won’t be too hard to find one for pretty much any religious group in history?
Oh, but that infringes on your “freedom of religion” right? Well what about every individual having the right to “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness”? Those rights were held to be “inalienable” (meaning inherent to all humans) by the founding fathers of this country. Yet you would deny certain groups of people those rights, simply because they choose to make different life choices than you.
And don’t try to bring the bible or Jesus into this. There are passages in the bible that basically say that it’s ok to sell your daughter into slavery (Exodus 21:7) or that working on Sunday shall be punishable by death (Exodus 35:2)? Are you a football fan? Ever played football before? Because according to the bible touching the skin of a dead pig makes one “unclean” (Leviticus 11:7).
Are you for stoning people to death for planting different crops side by side? Are you for burning people for wearing clothes made from different materials? The bible states in no uncertain terms all of the above. Do you think that women should be able to teach? Because Timothy clearly says that they shouldn’t, and should be silent and submissive.
“Christians” seem to be big on quoting that line in Leviticus as being all the justification that they need for homosexuality being a sin. Yet, they seem to conveniently over look all of those other passages from the bible which aren’t so en vogue in the religious community.
Also, I put the word Christians in parenthesis because to be honest, I don’t think that a true Christian could believe the religious propaganda/agenda that is portrayed as Christianity by the “religious right”. Oh, and by the way, I would consider myself to be Christian.
There is a great quote by Ghandi that says, “I like your Christ. I don’t like your Christians, they are nothing like your Christ.”
To me that quote pretty much says it all. Read back through the bible, Jesus accepted everyone he came across, thieves, prostitutes, murderers, everyone. Really the only people he had a problem with were those who were trying to manipulate others and place judgement upon them. He was also an independent thinker (unlike many Christians who are basically spoon fed their entire belief and morality systems), he was honest, kind, forgiving, non judgemental and willing to die for his principles. Now that’s a person to model a good life after.
There are of course others, Ghandi, Martin Luthor King, John Lennon, Bobby Kennedy, Socrates, to name a few. What’s really ironic (and I got this from a George Carlin skit) is that every time someone comes along and tells us that we should all live together in peace and happiness, we kill them.
Back to the topic at hand, to be honest guys and gals the only reason we even need to discuss whether being homosexual is a choice or genetic is because people are trying to find justifications for their behaviors due to being discriminated against. Without that discrimination, people wouldn’t even need to find reasons “why they were gay”.
Edit: By the way that part about Christians was not specifically directed towards you (or anyone else on this forum). It was more of a blanket pet peeve that I have with a lot of people who claim to be Christian, but are amount the quickest to judge others and point fingers of anyone (something that is not Christ like in any way).
