[quote]T-Ren wrote:
With how overwhelmingly vocal you were against everyone supporting homeschool it was pretty difficult to cause any but one conclusion.[/quote]
Mr. Ian was offering advice and making reasonable suggestions, those dissenting were arguing against suggestions such as ‘be careful’ and ‘make sure to get plenty of social interaction’. Arguing against reasonable and good advice is separate from arguing pro-homeschooling and arguing against said irreverence shouldn’t be confused with my feelings about homeschooling.
First, as I said, I was arguing against the shouting down of sound advice.
Second, many of the statistics ‘supporting homeschooling’ are actually supporting involved parenting. For some reason people think X% of homeschooled students attending Ivy League schools is evidence of the inferiority of public schooling, ignoring the legions of publicly schooled students who also attend those schools. Moreover, the ‘data’ relative to successful schooling can be very arbitrary.
Third, public schooling, socialization, and civilization go hand in hand, any man taught in complete isolation will virtually always be the inferior of two men who learned together.
Not only that, but they’ll dismiss legitimate advice based on whim and shed bias that should otherwise stick. e.g. on edge argues that everyone ‘anti-homeschool’ either is or knows a public school teacher or administrator (which is kind of like saying everyone who is ‘anti-incest’ has a cousin who is married) as if everyone ‘anti-public school’ is completely impartial (odds are most of them are teachers and of their own children no less). Like pushharder saying, "Socialization is not an issue, my kids are fine!
If you truly believed this, you wouldn’t make some of your subsequent statements. None succeed at homeschooling without parental involvement. Some “succeed” at public schooling in spite of parental involvement and wind up making public schooling look bad because they drag down the averages and screw up percentages. Some “fail” at homeschooling because of parental involvement, fortunately for homeschooling this is usually labeled as conditioning or brainwashing.
As I said above, if you truly believed in things like parental responsibility superceded ideas like ‘societal conditioning’ (i.e. he’s this way because society made him this way). You would no doubt see what half-truth you’re spewing. Given that public school takes anybody and certifies them as normally socialized and on average able to read, write, and think on a given level and given the gross excess of valid certifications (vs. uncertified individuals and individuals wrongly certified) it has been overwhelmingly successful.
[quote]Homeschool kids would have the tendency to be somewhat more mature in their comfort in interacting with adults this is what can carry over into interactions with kids and can lead to some separation. Usually in a more one on one setting.
However get kids in big group settings(like at a park) and when playing you can’t tell the different groups apart because then it’s not about intelligence it’s about playing.[/quote]
So why in the whole wide world would someone say “Hogwash” when somebody else suggests more social time for homeschooled kids? And why am I labeled anti-homeschooling when I say they need to seriously think about the “Hogwash” sentiment.
This is a whimsical social norm. Before indoor plumbing showering once a week was fine, afterwards, here in the States, bathing daily became the norm. And given that this happens outside of public schools, how can you even begin to think that the educational institution is responsible? Especially given that virtually all schools enforce a some form of ‘standard clothing’ policy.
I fail to see the relevance of this point. Education (and work) doesn’t end when the school bell rings? This is a bad lesson to be teaching them? Making them take HW home and do it around/in front of/with their family is somehow wrong? What am I missing?
1.) Once again an arguably arbitrary social norm. The people that established this nation would hardly bat an eye at teenagers having kids. For some reason, we arbitrarily label it as wrong.
2.) If you truly believed your prattle about good parenting, you wouldn’t blame this behavior on the school system. Moreover…
3.) If parents are unable to monitor their children at a level that prevents them from such ‘lewd’ behavior, what possible chance would homeschooling stand?
[quote]Regardless of the fact the common denominator is what occurs at home that contributes more to socialization. It’s the parental involvement whether in public school or home school.
Of course they don’t because it’s not about the kids or the system, it’s about the parents.
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As I said, if you truly believed in the idea of parental involvement, you would be much less apt to ascribe whimsical ‘ills’ to an educational system.
Mufasa seems to be making my point in a more popular way (must’ve been the public schooling!), as well as pointing out that the thread is largely degenerated to a pissing match. As such, I’m done with this thread.
