You have been mislead Makavali because that is very wrong. If you check the link you will see that America is way lower in the rate of murders committed with firearms than Brazil or Mexico, their rate is more twice the US rate. I don’t know what the rate is in Iraq but I am sure that not would be a good comparison either.
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Comparing yourself to Brazil and Mexico isn’t very impressive.
I too don’t know anyone who owns a gun (beyond a rifle for sport shooting), except my uncle who is friends with fucking italian mafia style gangsters (in another state though). You very rarely hear of shoot outs in the whole country (maybe 1 or 2 a year).
You have been mislead Makavali because that is very wrong. If you check the link you will see that America is way lower in the rate of murders committed with firearms than Brazil or Mexico, their rate is more twice the US rate. I don’t know what the rate is in Iraq but I am sure that not would be a good comparison either.
Comparing yourself to Brazil and Mexico isn’t very impressive.
I too don’t know anyone who owns a gun (beyond a rifle for sport shooting), except my uncle who is friends with fucking italian mafia style gangsters (in another state though). You very rarely hear of shoot outs in the whole country (maybe 1 or 2 a year).
I’m very happy with the gun laws in Australia. [/quote]
Ha ha. We’ve been here before. Don’t dare tell Sifu that there are ridiculously more murders by firearm in America or he will say you are wrong/the stats are meaningless. He will then pull out some silly stats that don’t prove his point e.g. above, or he will pull out an obscure even more meaningless stat like the murder rate of people wearing pink underwear in Plano, Texas.
I’m just waiting for rainjack to call you an estrogen filled sissy boy for worrying about people getting shot you kangaroo rooting stupid Aussie!
You have been mislead Makavali because that is very wrong. If you check the link you will see that America is way lower in the rate of murders committed with firearms than Brazil or Mexico, their rate is more twice the US rate. I don’t know what the rate is in Iraq but I am sure that not would be a good comparison either.
Comparing yourself to Brazil and Mexico isn’t very impressive.
I too don’t know anyone who owns a gun (beyond a rifle for sport shooting), except my uncle who is friends with fucking italian mafia style gangsters (in another state though). You very rarely hear of shoot outs in the whole country (maybe 1 or 2 a year).
I’m very happy with the gun laws in Australia.
Ha ha. We’ve been here before. Don’t dare tell Sifu that there are ridiculously more murders by firearm in America or he will say you are wrong/the stats are meaningless. He will then pull out some silly stats that don’t prove his point e.g. above, or he will pull out an obscure even more meaningless stat like the murder rate of people wearing pink underwear in Plano, Texas.
I’m just waiting for rainjack to call you an estrogen filled sissy boy for worrying about people getting shot you kangaroo rooting stupid Aussie!
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I’ll spare RJ the work. But seriously, what the fuck is wrong with T-mag’s Australians? Why did you even open this thread? Despite the fact that you have a RIGHT to own firearms I could care less whether or not you do. So tip back a VB to your queen whom your non-firearm owning countrymen can’t get rid of unless your British masters let you (yes, I know I say this constantly but I don’t care) and let the Americans deal with that sticky “freedom” issue.
You have been mislead Makavali because that is very wrong. If you check the link you will see that America is way lower in the rate of murders committed with firearms than Brazil or Mexico, their rate is more twice the US rate. I don’t know what the rate is in Iraq but I am sure that not would be a good comparison either.
Comparing yourself to Brazil and Mexico isn’t very impressive.
I too don’t know anyone who owns a gun (beyond a rifle for sport shooting), except my uncle who is friends with fucking italian mafia style gangsters (in another state though). You very rarely hear of shoot outs in the whole country (maybe 1 or 2 a year).
I’m very happy with the gun laws in Australia.
Ha ha. We’ve been here before. Don’t dare tell Sifu that there are ridiculously more murders by firearm in America or he will say you are wrong/the stats are meaningless. He will then pull out some silly stats that don’t prove his point e.g. above, or he will pull out an obscure even more meaningless stat like the murder rate of people wearing pink underwear in Plano, Texas.
I’m just waiting for rainjack to call you an estrogen filled sissy boy for worrying about people getting shot you kangaroo rooting stupid Aussie!
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You dipshits neer get any smarter. No one wants felons to have guns. However, if I want to murder someone whether or not I use a gun, knife, baseball bat, rope, or my own hands is irrelevant. All you do is take away people’s ability to defend themselves from black market firearms. Irregaurdless, Americans’ have a right to carry a firearm if they choose. Firearms are useful for hunting, the security they provide, and are just fun to use in general.
So guns make it easier to defend yourself but they don’t make it easier to kill people. You are a silly boy zephead.
Mike, I’ll let the Americans go on killing people. It’s what you do best. Just like your war on terrorism your solutions to everything backfire. Shooting people doesn’t always work buddy. Shooting a few idiots on here might be a good start though.
So guns make it easier to defend yourself but they don’t make it easier to kill people. You are a silly boy zephead.
Mike, I’ll let the Americans go on killing people. It’s what you do best. Just like your war on terrorism your solutions to everything backfire. Shooting people doesn’t always work buddy. Shooting a few idiots on here might be a good start though.
[quote]AndyG wrote:
So guns make it easier to defend yourself but they don’t make it easier to kill people. You are a silly boy zephead.
Mike, I’ll let the Americans go on killing people. It’s what you do best. [/quote]
We are pretty damn good at it aren’t we? Good job avoiding my entire post though by going way off tangent with…
Not that this matters, but I served with Aussies in the war on terror. So it appears that it’s your war too knucklehead. That’s beside the point though. Exactly how has the GWOT backfired? It doesn’t seem that we’ve got a very big terrorism problem here in America (beside socialists and gestapo troops in our own ranks cough Obama cough ATF cough)[quote]
Shooting people doesn’t always work buddy. [/quote]
Tell that to the Japanese.[quote]
Shooting a few idiots on here might be a good start though.[/quote]
I don’t recommend suicide, but hey, who am I to stop you?
[quote]AndyG wrote:
Sorry Mike, was there some substance to your post? I didn’t realise there was anything to avoid![/quote]
The point was that your people is a slavish one and your pathetic embrace of your gun laws show a level of comfort with your position. I mean, the Brits might suck, but you guys are still subjects of their queen. Lame.
Be advised I’m defending the war on the grounds that I think we need to wrap it up and I have a serious problem with us confiscating Iraqi firearms from their citizenry amongst other abuses. The war has been over for a few years now and I think it’s time to come home.
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Why has the war backfired:
Lots of dead people.[/quote]
To include some people who needed killing.[quote]
Lots of money down the tube.[/quote]
Granted…for the most part. I could argue the point but there is a large bit gone to waste. But I trust that instead of leaving the money in the pockets of its owners you would have been able to come up with some other way to waste it through wealth redistribution or social engineering. That is pure speculation though so I’ll forge ahead.[quote]
Hasn’t decreased terrorist activity.[/quote]
Back this up. Where do you even come up with this stuff? Iraq and Afghanistan are bloody places. I won’t say that they aren’t. But have you any grasp of what the area was like under Saddam and the Baathists or the Taliban or the Abu Sayef?[quote]
Increased anti-American sentiment, hence more people wanting to be terrorists. [/quote]
Don’t particularly care. But I’m sure that’s true in some places. In others we are loved. My experiences involved us doing a lot of good and being very much loved. Your mileage may vary. [quote]
More dead people.[/quote]
See #1.[quote]
Hasn’t acheived anything positive. [/quote]
Really? Nothing? You win. I didn’t know. All this time I thought killing people who raped and murdered and cut off heads of their own people was positive. My mistake sir.[quote]
I’m sure all those dead people are glad they died for no purpose.[/quote]
You have no grasp on warfare or the world outside of your own tiny bubble.
On point three, show me the war has decreased terrorist activity. I would say that until this is shown you can’t argue the war has changed terorist activity. I can’t see any reason that the war would do so. For every one you kill a couple more pop up.
You may have killed a few people that raped and murdered but you’ve killed a shit load of other people as well. It’s pretty hard to argue that there are less people dead as a result of the war.
No-one really cares who the head of state is in Australia, we’ve got better things to do than worry about something which is purely symbolic. Maybe I’m wrong, but at the most it’s of peripheral interest only.
You have been mislead Makavali because that is very wrong. If you check the link you will see that America is way lower in the rate of murders committed with firearms than Brazil or Mexico, their rate is more twice the US rate. I don’t know what the rate is in Iraq but I am sure that not would be a good comparison either.
Comparing yourself to Brazil and Mexico isn’t very impressive.
I too don’t know anyone who owns a gun (beyond a rifle for sport shooting), except my uncle who is friends with fucking italian mafia style gangsters (in another state though). You very rarely hear of shoot outs in the whole country (maybe 1 or 2 a year).
I’m very happy with the gun laws in Australia.
Ha ha. We’ve been here before. Don’t dare tell Sifu that there are ridiculously more murders by firearm in America or he will say you are wrong/the stats are meaningless. He will then pull out some silly stats that don’t prove his point e.g. above, or he will pull out an obscure even more meaningless stat like the murder rate of people wearing pink underwear in Plano, Texas.
I’m just waiting for rainjack to call you an estrogen filled sissy boy for worrying about people getting shot you kangaroo rooting stupid Aussie!
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I would not say the stats are meaningless. What I would say is that data can be presented in such a way that it gives an impression that is misleading. This is precisely the case that happens when the media in Astralia which is pro gun control reports on Americas murder rate.
What you Aussies are not getting is the full picture. You are getting told the very worst part of the news with mitigating information left out, because it undermines the gun control arguement.
I have repeatedly written about how murder rates are not homogenous across the US and it has completely gone over your head. So now I am going to have to go into greater detail and explain the 800 pound gorilla in the room which you refuse to see.
In America there is a phenomena which you don’t have in Australia, it is called black on black crime. There are over 300 million people in America 30 million of us are black, which is ten percent of the population.
About half the murder victims are black. More than half the murderers are black. This is why Detroit one of the blackest cities in America has the highest murder rate 47 per 100,000, while Honolulu a city the same size with very few blacks has 1 per 100,000. That is almost a 47 to 1 difference.
Then amongst the blacks you can further break this down between the 35% who are middle class and can afford to live in safe suburbs, the poor who live in peaceful rural areas, and the proportion living in the ghetto.
Here are some statistics that support my case. This is just a portion of what is on the site.
Homicide trends in the U.S.
Trends by race
Racial differences exist, with blacks disproportionately represented among homicide victims and offenders
In 2005, homicide victimization rates for blacks were 6 times higher than the rates for whites.
In 2005, offending rates for blacks were more than 7 times
higher than the rates for whites
For the years 1976-2005 combined -
Black victims are over represented in homicides involving drugs. Compared with the overall involvement of blacks as victims, blacks are less often the victims of sex-related homicides, workplace killings, and homicide by poison.
[quote]AndyG wrote:
Ah, I see. Don’t ban guns, ban black people owning guns.[/quote]
I just knew you would come back with some stupid bullshit. Blacks need to be able to protect themsleves more than anyone else. Half the homicide victims are black.
The point I made which you refuse to admit is that half of Americas homicides are a result of dysfunction within the Black community. If you take their contribution out of the overall figures our rates come down significantly. Instead of 7 per 100,000 it is more like 3 per 100,000. If you subtracted the Hispanic contribution from the white total it would come dowm even further.
The vast majority of the country lives in areas where there is low crime and low murder rates. But there are a handful of areas that are super generators due to sociological and economic factors that do not apply to the vast majority of the country.
Gun ownership does not cause the socio economic factors that are driving the murder rate.
Most of the murders are the result of fighting over drug turf. That is why in Los Angeles where you have ghetto Blacks and Hispanics fighting over drug turf in South Central there is a very high murder rate, but in Beverly Hills where you have a lot of wealth there is very little crime.
11.6 percent black. Plano Texas which has the lowest murder rate in America is 5 percent.
As of the 2006 US Census estimates, the racial distribution in Texas are as follows: 69.8% White American, 11.6% African American, 3.3% are Asian American, 0.6 are American Indian, and 13% are of Some other Race. Bureau]
The largest reported ancestry groups in Texas include: Mexican (25.3%), German (10.9%), African American (10.5%), English (7.2%), and Scots-Irish (7.2%). Descendants from some of these ancestry groups is underreported
As of the census[1] of 2000, there were 222,030 people, 80,875 households, and 60,575 families residing in the city. The population density was 3,102.4 people per square mile (1,197.8/km²). There were 86,078 housing units at an average density of 1,202.8/sq mi (464.4/km²). The racial makeup of the city was 78.26% White, 5.02% Black, 0.36% Native American, 10.18% Asian, 0.04% Pacific Islander, 3.86% from other races, and 2.28% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 10.07% of the population
According to a 2006 estimate, the median income for a household in the city was $77,038, and the median income for a family was $106,335.[7] Males had a median income of $64,668 versus $39,617 for females. The per capita income for the city was $36,514. About 3.0% of families and 4.3% of the population were below the poverty line, including 4.6% of those under age 18 and 7.8% of those age 65 or over. Average rents in Plano in 2005 were $662 for a one bedroom apartment, and $878 for a two bedroom apartment.
Plano was the highest income place with a population of 130,000 or more in 2000.
Plano was ranked the most affluent city in the United States with the lowest poverty rate of 6.3% for a city with a population exceeding 250,000. Its neighbor, Frisco, was ranked the richest city for the population of under 250,000 in the United States with a 2.7% poverty rate. Plano also has the highest median income in the nation at $71,000.[8]
Texas’s rate is 5.9 per 100,000 the national average is 5.6 per 100,000. Much of Americas drug trade flows through Texas and there is major gang activity, look up the Texas syndicate sometime.
Also Texas murder rate has been declining since 1991, just like the rest of America, it’s almost half what it used to be.
[quote]Sifu wrote:
AndyG wrote:
How black is Texas?
11.6 percent black. Plano Texas which has the lowest murder rate in America is 5 percent.
As of the 2006 US Census estimates, the racial distribution in Texas are as follows: 69.8% White American, 11.6% African American, 3.3% are Asian American, 0.6 are American Indian, and 13% are of Some other Race. Bureau]
The largest reported ancestry groups in Texas include: Mexican (25.3%), German (10.9%), African American (10.5%), English (7.2%), and Scots-Irish (7.2%). Descendants from some of these ancestry groups is underreported
As of the census[1] of 2000, there were 222,030 people, 80,875 households, and 60,575 families residing in the city. The population density was 3,102.4 people per square mile (1,197.8/km²). There were 86,078 housing units at an average density of 1,202.8/sq mi (464.4/km²). The racial makeup of the city was 78.26% White, 5.02% Black, 0.36% Native American, 10.18% Asian, 0.04% Pacific Islander, 3.86% from other races, and 2.28% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 10.07% of the population
According to a 2006 estimate, the median income for a household in the city was $77,038, and the median income for a family was $106,335.[7] Males had a median income of $64,668 versus $39,617 for females. The per capita income for the city was $36,514. About 3.0% of families and 4.3% of the population were below the poverty line, including 4.6% of those under age 18 and 7.8% of those age 65 or over. Average rents in Plano in 2005 were $662 for a one bedroom apartment, and $878 for a two bedroom apartment.
Plano was the highest income place with a population of 130,000 or more in 2000.
Plano was ranked the most affluent city in the United States with the lowest poverty rate of 6.3% for a city with a population exceeding 250,000. Its neighbor, Frisco, was ranked the richest city for the population of under 250,000 in the United States with a 2.7% poverty rate. Plano also has the highest median income in the nation at $71,000.[8]
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Where are the hispanics? I think Texas is bordering on being 50% white.