[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
Having a football size hole in the mid-section is a pretty solid threat deterrant.
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LOL!
I may spend the money on a ruger LCR .38 Special next as my pocket gun. As it stands now I have a glock .45 and a Judge for home defense. All my long guns are on the opposite side of the house but I agree with the posts above that the best home defense weapon is probably a short-barreled 12ga shotgun like a Mossberg or Remington Mariner or the cheaper non-stainless version. Cheaper than a pistol and packs a bigger wallop.
What is yalls view on a tactical shoulder sling for a home defense shotgun? I can see pro’s and cons, Harder to take away, easier to maneuver but if crap gets close, harder to get off and gives something someone can control/choke you with.
[quote]bpick86 wrote:
What is yalls view on a tactical shoulder sling for a home defense shotgun? I can see pro’s and cons, Harder to take away, easier to maneuver but if crap gets close, harder to get off and gives something someone can control/choke you with.[/quote]
Too much furniture, potential ways to to hang it up.
A sling is for keeping a weapon ready when on the move. A defender should not be on the move that much.
Mossberg 500 Thunder Ranch edition 12 gauge loaded with home defense speciality ammo + Smith & Wesson Governor with 410 defense loads followed by 45 Long Colts.
Knives just about everywhere and a handy SOG tomahawk when I’m feeling all Last of the Mohicans. That’s my current set-up.
If you must rely on a blade, that Cold Steel kukri was a nice choice.
[quote]Chris Shugart wrote:
Mossberg 500 Thunder Ranch edition 12 gauge loaded with home defense speciality ammo + Smith & Wesson Governor with 410 defense loads followed by 45 Long Colts.
Knives just about everywhere and a handy SOG tomahawk when I’m feeling all Last of the Mohicans. That’s my current set-up.
If you must rely on a blade, that Cold Steel kukri was a nice choice.
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Thanks, it chopped a coconut after two whacks.
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
Third, a flashlight says “Hi, shoot me.” And you shouldn’t be opening doors. Let the intruder opent the door and shoot him from a crouch as he clears the threshold.
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In certain states, like the shitty one I live in, someone breaking into your home at 2am is not, I repeat NOT, enough reason to use deadly force, armed or not. You have to try and escape your home first, infant in their crib or not.
That being said, if you are hunting around your home looking for the dude and shoot him, your going to have a lot more questions to answer than if youhang tight outside your daughter’s bedroom and pelt the fucker as he comes around the corner.
All in all, I’d rather be judged by 6 than carried by 12. Or carry one of my kids or wife… So…
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
In certain states, like the shitty one I live in, someone breaking into your home at 2am is not, I repeat NOT, enough reason to use deadly force, armed or not. You have to try and escape your home first, infant in their crib or not.[/quote]
Nuh uh really?
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
In certain states, like the shitty one I live in, someone breaking into your home at 2am is not, I repeat NOT, enough reason to use deadly force, armed or not. You have to try and escape your home first, infant in their crib or not.[/quote]
Nuh uh really?[/quote]
I doubt that any jury with a parent on it is going to send you away for shooting an intruder with a legal gun, (Lol, MA already has the 10 round limit and all that shit…) if you have a baby in the house and the intruder isn’t hanging half way out the window tryign to get out.
But to use examples in this thread, if you meet the dude in your livingroom, and he starts to run away at the sound of your shotgun, and you blow a hole in his chest, in MA you are going to prison.
But yes, in MA you have to run away first. Defending yourself is your last option for survival here.
One night a week after my first born came home my wife was feeding her at 2 am. My wife heard a sound at the fence and it scared her to high heaven. I grabbed my gun and was about to blast some holes in that MFR in the back yard. In Texas if someone comes on your ground you have the right to take them out. Then this loud bang hit the window just behind my wife. Just when I was about to fire I noticed it was a cat. I almost blew that pussy to kingdom come.
This is the only time I have ever felt like I was going to have to use deadly force. I am 6’5" and 300 lbs and that in and of itself diffuses a lot of tension.
I have a Jewish made baby desert eagle 9mm, and a pump action shotgun. Everyone knows the sound of a shotgun, and they know a street howlitzer is coming around the corner, so they better get out of the house quickly.
All states should have some form of the Castle laws, the sad truth is many do not think a persons home should be a safe haven.
[quote]four60 wrote:
All states should have some form of the Castle laws, the sad truth is many do not think a persons home should be a safe haven.
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this many times over. However our benevolent political leaders think it’s in the best interest for us that people should get shot/stabbed in the back by an intruder as apposed to just taking them out, and getting one more scumbag off the planet.
[quote]four60 wrote:
All states should have some form of the Castle laws, the sad truth is many do not think a persons home should be a safe haven.
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Sadly, what Countingbeans said is correct.
In MA, they are prosecuting some guy who was attacked by a bear in his backyard — for shooting the bear.
Seriously. If anyone doubts me, I will post the link.
[quote]Aggv wrote:
[quote]four60 wrote:
All states should have some form of the Castle laws, the sad truth is many do not think a persons home should be a safe haven.
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this many times over. However our benevolent political leaders think it’s in the best interest for us that people should get shot/stabbed in the back by an intruder as apposed to just taking them out, and getting one more scumbag off the planet. [/quote]
I think the logic behind the measure is basically to get people to be damn well sure they are shooting a bad guy and not your teenage daughter who is sneeking in the window after being out partying, or Sally housewife still a bit tipsy from the bottle of Pinot she drank opening up on her Hubby who was digging around for some 2am left overs…
Some bleeding hearts have empathy for the intruders, “BUt what if they are just taking your TV and don’t mean you any harm, they shouldn’t lose their life for that”. TO which my answer is they picked the wrong TV. If they didn’t want to get shot, they shoudl get a job and buy a TV just lke I did.
[quote]Chris Shugart wrote:
Mossberg 500 Thunder Ranch edition 12 gauge loaded with home defense speciality ammo + Smith & Wesson Governor with 410 defense loads followed by 45 Long Colts.
Knives just about everywhere and a handy SOG tomahawk when I’m feeling all Last of the Mohicans. That’s my current set-up.
If you must rely on a blade, that Cold Steel kukri was a nice choice.
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Good Lord.
That was all Texas.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Aggv wrote:
[quote]four60 wrote:
All states should have some form of the Castle laws, the sad truth is many do not think a persons home should be a safe haven.
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this many times over. However our benevolent political leaders think it’s in the best interest for us that people should get shot/stabbed in the back by an intruder as apposed to just taking them out, and getting one more scumbag off the planet. [/quote]
I think the logic behind the measure is basically to get people to be damn well sure they are shooting a bad guy and not your teenage daughter who is sneeking in the window after being out partying, or Sally housewife still a bit tipsy from the bottle of Pinot she drank opening up on her Hubby who was digging around for some 2am left overs…
Some bleeding hearts have empathy for the intruders, “BUt what if they are just taking your TV and don’t mean you any harm, they shouldn’t lose their life for that”. TO which my answer is they picked the wrong TV. If they didn’t want to get shot, they shoudl get a job and buy a TV just lke I did. [/quote]
I would like to think most homeowners and people with an IQ above 70 would be well aware of the comings and goings of the people in their households. I think this is wear owning a dog (dog = canine weighing above 30lbs) would come in handy to act as an identifier of whatever is out there. The dog will react differently to your slut wife coming home at 3am vs. someone they cant identify at 3am. Either case you may still want to get the gun out…
Sadly, i have to agree with you on the “bleeding heart” people becoming more of voice in this country. Makes me sick that people want to protect criminals
I live in NY and I was pretty against the whole escape your home first and still am, but after attending the pistol safety course (which is basically a common sense lecture) I can certainly see why some laws are in place! Not saying I am against the castle laws, as I agree you should be able to put down someone breaking into your house instead of fleeing outside; but some of the questions asked made me wish those people weren’t owning a firearm. (hopefully that post doesn’t make one view me for or against certain laws, just my initial thoughts!)
A couple more thoughts:
IMO a pistol is best suited for a.) fighting your way to a better weapon system or, b.) staying in the fight when your primary weapon system malfunctions, runs dry etc. In other words, a pistol is Plan B. Setting yourself up so you begin at Plan B doesn’t make a lot of sense to me when you have a choice to begin at Plan A (shotgun, or, to a lesser extent carbine). Also, I agree with Jewbacca about the impracticality of flashlights/gunlights for home defence and pretty much everything else in his above post.
Blades are best suited for when both Plans A and B either fail or are inaccessible. In other words, they are Plan C/D. Also, as much as the Kukri has a high cool/badass factor (and really, it does) it’s design is geared toward cutting/chopping/hacking etc. In other words, swinging the weapon at the threat. Maybe your place is bigger than mine (quite likely) but I can think of few places in my home where I could swing that without hitting furniture, walls, ceilings, especially as the arc of the swing will invariably get bigger/wilder under the stress of trying to chop somebody up in my living room. A shorter, straighter blade adapted to short stroke cutting and especially thrusting would be more practical at close quarters IMO. Even still, it’s still Plan C/D at best.
Lastly, I would say have some sort of an intelligent and rehearsed plan for what you intend to do with yourself and your family if and when that window breaks, that alarm goes off or that front door gets booted in the middle of the night. Just buying a weapon and saying “imma fuck 'im up if’n he comes in here” is not really preparing IMHO. Furthermore, I would say that target hardening >>> active defence when it comes to keeping your home and family safe. It’s admittedly a lot less sexy to think/talk about though.
All the usual disclaimers apply. I’m just some dude on the internet, your mileage may vary, get training in whatever weapon system you plan to use, know and comply with your local firearms and self defence laws, and generally don’t be a dumbass etc, etc.
[quote]KcThrows wrote:
I live in NY and I was pretty against the whole escape your home first and still am, but after attending the pistol safety course (which is basically a common sense lecture) I can certainly see why some laws are in place! Not saying I am against the castle laws, as I agree you should be able to put down someone breaking into your house instead of fleeing outside; but some of the questions asked made me wish those people weren’t owning a firearm. (hopefully that post doesn’t make one view me for or against certain laws, just my initial thoughts!)[/quote]
I understand what you are saying and personally don’t take it as you being anti-gun in any way. There have been a several stories that I have heard (one local) people who killed children or spouses thinking they were intruders. Sometimes it was shooting through doors or in dark rooms at the shadow that was moving. Before people decide that they can mount some type of offensive on an “intruder” they need to make dang sure that they can control the adrenalin/fear factor enough to still be capable of making intelligent decisions. Because the decision to pull a trigger is one with irreversible and serious consequences. I have heard numerous people tell me that I got a gun but I don’t think I could use it, if I wave it at them maybe it will scare them. Those people are the ones that get killed with there own weapons. Before you decide to buy a gun for defense you should be self aware enough to know to things 1) I am capable of verifying a threat with 100% certainty under intense pressure 2) I am capable of taking another persons life if my line (wherever that may be) is crossed.
My cousin’s best friend was recently shot and killed by a homeowner (with 2 young kids) because he mistakenly broke into* the wrong house when drunk. Sucks for all involved but I can’t really fault the homeowner.
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- went to the front door, tried his keys, they obviously didn’t work, went around back and had his buddies boost him through a window