[quote]pushharder wrote:
Yeah, I get all that but I still don’t get it.[/quote]
Ah, despite the seriousness of the concept, both sides make pretty fair sense. I struggle to really cast doubts on a man’s character on either side of the issue. Gentlemen can disagree. Now if only we could find two gentlemen.
mike
[quote]lixy wrote:
Quick question: The US attacked Iraq in 2003 in a much condemned war. Supposing some Iraqis (or Iraqi sympathizers) had access to nukes and detonated a few in American towns, how many of you would say that it’s justified?
I know I won’t. [/quote]
you need to be removed from existence
[quote]stokedporcupine8 wrote:
Magarhe wrote:
I think it is appalling that in Japan the history has been erased, not taught, wiped from textbooks like it never happened, yet in Germany it is rammed down your throat. And Italy, hey, they were never the enemy? I have nothing against the ever changing alliances in the world but the history should not be altered.
Don’t forget we do the same thing in America. Our own history textbooks have a very selective memory as well. [/quote]
history is written by the victors. what do you think the japs or the germans, would have written if they won?
[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
pushharder wrote:
Therizza wrote:
Mikeyali wrote:
Speaking as a Marine, I’d rather see several thousand more Marines die invading Kysushu or Honsho… blah
Blasphemy.
I agree. I have met quite a few Marines and many are my friends. I cannot imagine a single one of them uttering those words.
I can imagine them hanging their heads in shame that one of theirs said this.
Yes, and I’ve met quite a few Marines who were cheating on their wives that could say “Always Faithful” with a straight face. I’ve also known Marines to fuck guys’ new wives on Wakiki Beach on their honeymoons. I served with a guy who fucked some chick on deployment then gave his faithful wife the T-shirt the girl was wearing as a present. I’ve had money stolen from me by Marines. Let those Marines hang their heads; I’m ashamed that there are those in my Corps who can kill civilians to save their own ass with a clear conscience. I trust that they likely just never thought out the situation fully. Hell, up until recently I saw Smedley Butler as a 2-MOH hero instead of communist sympathizer. Most Marines never hear about that part.
mike[/quote]
I would rather win and live, then die like a punk bitch
[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
Now if only we could find two gentlemen.
mike[/quote]
Well, I’m here. But, I don’t know where the other fellow wandered off to.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Mikeyali wrote:
Now if only we could find two gentlemen.
mike
Well, I’m here. But, I don’t know where the other fellow wandered off to.[/quote]
I think you found him in the previous post.
mike
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
It strikes me as tremendously ironic that in order to subdue the heathen Japanese, the United States ended up killing two-thirds of Japan’s entire Christian community with a single bomb.
I wonder how many of the 8,500 Japanese Christians incinerated in Nagasaki could have be considered “enemies.”
Ah well. Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnoscet.[/quote]
This can’t qualify for irony since the war was not religious.
[quote]kodiak82 wrote:
I would rather win and live, then die like a punk bitch[/quote]
There are worse things than dying like a punk bitch.
Foremost among them, living like a punk bitch.
Interesting little propaganda film circa 1943, courtesy the United States Government, informing the good people of America what horrible, horrible people those dirty rotten Japs are.
Funny, because as late as November 1941, most Americans thought that the Japanese were pretty swell. If they were aware of the Japanese at all.
Some things never change, I guess.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Interesting little propaganda film circa 1943, courtesy the United States Government, informing the good people of America what horrible, horrible people those dirty rotten Japs are.
Funny, because as late as November 1941, most Americans thought that the Japanese were pretty swell. If they were aware of the Japanese at all.
Some things never change, I guess.[/quote]
war changes things
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
kodiak82 wrote:
I would rather win and live, then die like a punk bitch
There are worse things than dying like a punk bitch.
Foremost among them, living like a punk bitch.[/quote]
I can live with what I do, can you say the same.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Varq, since you’ve spent time in Japan and studying their history it would be terrific of you if you would “enlighten” us on exactly whether the Japanese people of 1941 thought Americans were “swell” too. [/quote]
Of course they did - they were neither white nor Christian nor Western, so they can’t be guilty of such sins as colonialism, racism-inspired imperialism, and so forth. No, only Americans have such potential - they aren’t Noble Savages.
EDIT: changed “didn’t” to “did”
[quote]kodiak82 wrote:
Varqanir wrote:
kodiak82 wrote:
I would rather win and live, then die like a punk bitch
There are worse things than dying like a punk bitch.
Foremost among them, living like a punk bitch.
I can live with what I do, can you say the same.[/quote]
Of course. 'Tis easily said.
Oh, ultimate heart-ache.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
kodiak82 wrote:
Varqanir wrote:
kodiak82 wrote:
I would rather win and live, then die like a punk bitch
There are worse things than dying like a punk bitch.
Foremost among them, living like a punk bitch.
I can live with what I do, can you say the same.
Of course. 'Tis easily said.[/quote]
I speak from experience, people have tried to kill me, and I have tried to kill them. Hurting
people is easier then you think.
[quote]kodiak82 wrote:
Varqanir wrote:
kodiak82 wrote:
Varqanir wrote:
kodiak82 wrote:
I would rather win and live, then die like a punk bitch
There are worse things than dying like a punk bitch.
Foremost among them, living like a punk bitch.
I can live with what I do, can you say the same.
Of course. 'Tis easily said.
I speak from experience, people have tried to kill me, and I have tried to kill them. Hurting
people is easier then you think.
[/quote]
Please tell me you are not in the military.
[quote]Dustin wrote:
kodiak82 wrote:
Varqanir wrote:
kodiak82 wrote:
Varqanir wrote:
kodiak82 wrote:
I would rather win and live, then die like a punk bitch
There are worse things than dying like a punk bitch.
Foremost among them, living like a punk bitch.
I can live with what I do, can you say the same.
Of course. 'Tis easily said.
I speak from experience, people have tried to kill me, and I have tried to kill them. Hurting
people is easier then you think.
Please tell me you are not in the military.[/quote]
no, when I was younger,I was a hoodlum and did some very bad things