Honestly, I don’t care very much at all. I knew people at my high school who got to walk even though they still had to finish a class or several in summer school to qualify for graduation. They finished and did it. I knew people in college who did that same thing. I knew people who walked with a masters that was still on the table.
It’s more about getting a chance to do ‘the walk’ or say goodbye to friends and celebrate with those you care about…and I think it could also serve as an incentive to keep that struggling person all the way through their remaining classes. I mean, think about it–if you walk with your friends do you want to meet them later and have to admit that you DIDN’T end up graduating after you walked in front of the whole school? I wouldn’t.
Now if they get a diploma then shit is going down. But just walking is not a big deal to me.
[quote]Aragorn wrote:
Honestly, I don’t care very much at all. I knew people at my high school who got to walk even though they still had to finish a class or several in summer school to qualify for graduation. They finished and did it. I knew people in college who did that same thing. I knew people who walked with a masters that was still on the table.
It’s more about getting a chance to do ‘the walk’ or say goodbye to friends and celebrate with those you care about…and I think it could also serve as an incentive to keep that struggling person all the way through their remaining classes. I mean, think about it–if you walk with your friends do you want to meet them later and have to admit that you DIDN’T end up graduating after you walked in front of the whole school? I wouldn’t.
Now if they get a diploma then shit is going down. But just walking is not a big deal to me.[/quote]
Exactly. How anyone could be offended by this is beyond me.
[quote]Aragorn wrote:
Honestly, I don’t care very much at all. I knew people at my high school who got to walk even though they still had to finish a class or several in summer school to qualify for graduation. They finished and did it. I knew people in college who did that same thing. I knew people who walked with a masters that was still on the table.
It’s more about getting a chance to do ‘the walk’ or say goodbye to friends and celebrate with those you care about…and I think it could also serve as an incentive to keep that struggling person all the way through their remaining classes. I mean, think about it–if you walk with your friends do you want to meet them later and have to admit that you DIDN’T end up graduating after you walked in front of the whole school? I wouldn’t.
Now if they get a diploma then shit is going down. But just walking is not a big deal to me.[/quote]
Exactly. How anyone could be offended by this is beyond me.[/quote]
It seems to me that when anyone takes a stance, side or position of any kind that is based on objective thought, you become offended.
[quote]Aragorn wrote:
Honestly, I don’t care very much at all. I knew people at my high school who got to walk even though they still had to finish a class or several in summer school to qualify for graduation. They finished and did it. I knew people in college who did that same thing. I knew people who walked with a masters that was still on the table.
It’s more about getting a chance to do ‘the walk’ or say goodbye to friends and celebrate with those you care about…and I think it could also serve as an incentive to keep that struggling person all the way through their remaining classes. I mean, think about it–if you walk with your friends do you want to meet them later and have to admit that you DIDN’T end up graduating after you walked in front of the whole school? I wouldn’t.
Now if they get a diploma then shit is going down. But just walking is not a big deal to me.[/quote]
Exactly. How anyone could be offended by this is beyond me.[/quote]
It seems to me that when anyone takes a stance, side or position of any kind that is based on objective thought, you become offended.
I bet Ayn Rand sends you into stuttering fits.
You are the Kind of Relativism.
[/quote]
My position on this is simple and has nothing to do with objectivity. I see no harm in allowing kids who are extremely close to getting their diploma to walk at graduation. What about this is so offensive to you.
[quote]Aragorn wrote:
Honestly, I don’t care very much at all. I knew people at my high school who got to walk even though they still had to finish a class or several in summer school to qualify for graduation. They finished and did it. I knew people in college who did that same thing. I knew people who walked with a masters that was still on the table.
It’s more about getting a chance to do ‘the walk’ or say goodbye to friends and celebrate with those you care about…and I think it could also serve as an incentive to keep that struggling person all the way through their remaining classes. I mean, think about it–if you walk with your friends do you want to meet them later and have to admit that you DIDN’T end up graduating after you walked in front of the whole school? I wouldn’t.
Now if they get a diploma then shit is going down. But just walking is not a big deal to me.[/quote]
Exactly. How anyone could be offended by this is beyond me.[/quote]
It seems to me that when anyone takes a stance, side or position of any kind that is based on objective thought, you become offended.
I bet Ayn Rand sends you into stuttering fits.
You are the Kind of Relativism.
[/quote]
My position on this is simple and has nothing to do with objectivity. I see no harm in allowing kids who are extremely close to getting their diploma to walk at graduation. What about this is so offensive to you.[/quote]
This case means nothing to me. I just find it to be another example of where you use relativism in order not to make the hard choice.
You seem to be a miss-matcher in style. It seems to be in your makeup to find the exception and then use it to ignore the rule. I think this could prove dangerous to you or those that depend on you in the long term.
[quote]doogie wrote:
Heaven forbid some moron that can’t pass a minimum skills test gets their feelings hurt.[/quote]
Heaven forbid that someone who CAN, and has a comparatively bright future, gets their fucking feelings hurt by the mere presence at graduation of someone who struggled academically while obviously still sticking it out through school.[/quote]
Heaven forbid we rediscover a healthy sense of shame.
[quote]doogie wrote:
Heaven forbid some moron that can’t pass a minimum skills test gets their feelings hurt.[/quote]
Heaven forbid that someone who CAN, and has a comparatively bright future, gets their fucking feelings hurt by the mere presence at graduation of someone who struggled academically while obviously still sticking it out through school.[/quote]
Heaven forbid we rediscover a healthy sense of shame.[/quote]
I don’t think kids on the literal cusp of graduating need to be shamed. I’m all for being tough on kids, especially when they are fucking up, but in this case I would assume that most of these kids are going to graduate.
This case means nothing to me. I just find it to be another example of where you use relativism in order not to make the hard choice.
You seem to be a miss-matcher in style. It seems to be in your makeup to find the exception and then use it to ignore the rule. I think this could prove dangerous to you or those that depend on you in the long term. [/quote]
Relativism doesn’t factor in to the notion that I don’t think anyone is slighted when a kid on the cusp of graduation walks with his/her friends, at least not nearly as slighted as in the case of that scenario’s converse. That is a simple belief. You may have another one…I don’t know, you haven’t expressed it, or made any sort of substantive argument, or said anything at all in this thread really.
If you want to talk about objectivity, don’t you and I disagree primarily on the issue of religion? In which case it is literally comical that you would accuse me of ignoring objective evidence.
I think the point is Graduation means nothing more than it is time to leave school and get on with your life, Transcripts are the important thing for kids with the ambition to continue the education.
I think the point of the test is more to test the schools systems as apposed to students
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I think the point is Graduation means nothing more than it is time to leave school and get on with your life, Transcripts are the important thing for kids with the ambition to continue the education.
I think the point of the test is more to test the schools systems as apposed to students[/quote]
Yeah, graduation is about saying goodbye to a chapter of your life. If even that: for me, both high school and college graduation were just long, boring ordeals that I was forced to sit through. I’ll never forget the exacerbating, amplifying effect that Chuck Schumer’s blubbering graduation speech had on my hangover during my college grad ceremony.
[quote]doogie wrote:
Heaven forbid some moron that can’t pass a minimum skills test gets their feelings hurt.[/quote]
Heaven forbid that someone who CAN, and has a comparatively bright future, gets their fucking feelings hurt by the mere presence at graduation of someone who struggled academically while obviously still sticking it out through school.[/quote]
Heaven forbid we rediscover a healthy sense of shame.[/quote]
Ok, fine. I do agree with you on this and there are myriad examples on issues where we need that. But is this REALLY a place or issue worthy to make that stand? I mean shit, it’s a damn ceremony. It means nothing compared to pretty much any other issue we discuss in PWI, let alone all of the issies that come up in real non-internet life. When you graduated I will bet just about anything that there were kids who walked who weren’t officially graduated college yet. So? You want to walk with your friends as oppposed to a bunch of strangers–or no ceremonyy at all in summer semester–why should you pick this issue of all issues to pull the “we need a healthy sense of shame” card.
I mean, if they were giving diplomas out to these failed exam takers, then I would be all for telling them to get the fuck over themselves and their PC feel-good bullshit. But there’s no reward. It’s a social walk. I don’t get it.
So they are getting rewarded for something they did not accomplish yet? Sweet I can start celebrating graduating college even tho I haven’t done it yet.
[quote]smh23 wrote:
From a girl in the article: “I think they should pass [the exit exam], because it’s kind of unfair that I passed.”
No it isn’t. You passed, you graduate, you get to go on and work or go to college and have a crack at the American dream. That’s what graduation is about. Why would you care that someone else who is struggling (who might pass anyway) gets to put on the stupid dress and walk with their friends? Objection to this seems mean-spirited.[/quote]
Since when did the American dream include graduation?
Majority of people that have the “American dream” didn’t finish HS and a good chunk barely passed 8th grade.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
This is to appease butt-hurt flunkies who couldn’t hack it.
Someone answer me this please…
HOW THE FUCK DO YOU FLUNK HIGH SCHOOL IN TODAY’S AGE WITH THE INTERNET ???
These punk ass kids have no need to go to a library with things like Google. My God, they can email their homework in, they can copy/paste essays and papers from other students.
[quote]smh23 wrote:
From a girl in the article: “I think they should pass [the exit exam], because it’s kind of unfair that I passed.”
No it isn’t. You passed, you graduate, you get to go on and work or go to college and have a crack at the American dream. That’s what graduation is about. Why would you care that someone else who is struggling (who might pass anyway) gets to put on the stupid dress and walk with their friends? Objection to this seems mean-spirited.[/quote]
Since when did the American dream include graduation?
Majority of people that have the “American dream” didn’t finish HS and a good chunk barely passed 8th grade.[/quote]
Where do you get this notion that “the majority of people that have the American dream didn’t finish HS?” That simply isn’t true. Chances of success increase with education in modern America.
The American Dream, in this day and age, is damn near out of reach for people that haven’t either finished high school or attained an equivalent amount of comparable education.