Help with Testosterone Results?

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Hi Guys,

Just an update, after months of trying different doses of clomid over different durations, I have found that personally the best dose for me is 25mg every 2.5 - 3 / Days.

Due to my estradiol being at the top end of the normal range I am going to start arimidex, at 0.5mg/ week, split in to two doses.

I was considering making a solution for daily arimidex dosing, but can see that @KSman recommends vodka which I will not use.
I see some say they use water with decent results, and also @KSman says glycerine holds the arimidex better and that bacteria is a concern when using water.

If I was to make a solution, I assume others are just using standard tap water?
Also anyone have any experience with using vegetable glycerine. Is there a specific method used to dissolve the arimidex?

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You dont need to chase E2 numbers. E2 will naturally rise with test levels and eventually level off. If you dont have any side effects of high E2 then just leave it alone. Anastazole can cause a slew of side effects.

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Thanks @NH_Watts

I was enquiring as for me personally clomid at lower doses or a longer duration between doses appears to increase libido, but I don’t feel as good overall.
As with higher doses of clomid I feel better overall, but erections, morning wood etc suffer.

I can only put this down to the lower estradiol levels with smaller doses.
Also I should mention when I say higher doses of clomid I never take more than 12.5mg /day.

Also I will be going back on T In a few months, and wondered what’s the verdict using testogel Vs injectable T? As my endo will only go with a protocol of sustanon 250 every 2-3 week’s in one administration, as it’s carried out by a practice nurse, hence why i am likely to need gel to sustain a steady T level.

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Given your options, I’d easily take the gel.

Ask DR if you can self inject at home. Injecting once every 2 or 3 weeks won’t work.

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Thanks @roscoe88

Yeah I think it will have to be the gel.

I followed his protocol before and ended up needing to move the injection frequency to every 10-12 days and still I couldn’t feel the benefit.

I may try and persuade him to let me self inject when I see him in a few months.

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You need to inject once a week minimum. If he lets you inject at home YOU set the schedule.

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Hi Guys, not checked in for a while and can see a massive change in opinion regarding AI’s compared to when I started this thread, which is why my recent results are quite interesting.

Quick recap:
One year ago taking 25mg clomid EOD with no AI

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Now:
Taking 12.5mg ED with 0.25mg arimidex 2x/week

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These results were unexpected, I’d assumed my test was higher than a year ago, I currently feel good, better libido than I’ve ever had.

*Not sure if I’ve desensitised to clomid.
*If the arimidex has somehow interfered with the way clomid works for me.
*If taking the same dosage of clomid but split in to daily amounts rather than EOD has affected my test levels.

Thoughts?

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Clomid works as an “anti-estrogen” that tricks the brain into thinking that estrogen levels in the body are very low. It does this by binding to estrogen receptors in the brain and blocking the ability of estrogen to bind to those receptors.Sep 17, 2020

Taking clomid with an ai is just stupid. i wish doctors had some clue as to what they were doing. brain dead as it gets.

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Why dont you just get on TRT? Clomid is just a half ass attempt at trt by a doctor who is not an hormone specialist. Unless im misunderstanding why you are on it in the first place.

People who started this AI craze were body builders who were taking all tyupes of anabolics. Not trt. It flowed into trt. ive literaly never heard of someone taking an ai on cholimd. you are tricking the body into thinking it needs to produce more .

T is injected bio identical T… the body stops producing… some men are way too sentivie and cannot get through the minor symptoms of starting trt (itchy/sentive nipples / libido up and down / some anxiety and water retention). Some say these arent even E symptoms, they are overall symptoms of the body just adopting the new influx of hormones.

End of day , your AI could be blocking the E in your heart, brain, bones… your blood tests dont show these results. you could stay on AI for years and end up getting a heaert attack. signs of declining CV on AI are high blood pressure, high heart rate and other adverse effects seen by a weak CV system. Your endo thelial lining is dependant upon Estrogen. Without it, you are destorying the arteries veins and etc .

Just because you feel better doesnt mean you wont realize declining health in years or weeks or months and maybe days to come.

get educated and dont let the noise effect the truth.

You need a better doctor man.

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Hi @enackers

The post you are looking at was actually almost three years ago, but my thread was moved to the top as I had updated a post

The AI was stopped shortly after and I agree there was no need to ever have been on it

Regarding the clomiphene though, I am still taking it to this day and will likely continue to do so, as I have good test levels, feel good, good gains, no sides

In my above post I was at that time unaware that clomiphene would become ineffective if taken continuously without a break and the results were after a year of continuous use. I now take 25mg/day and have between 3-5 days/month off

In the UK TRT protocols are awful, I was on sustanon 250 every 12 days, could not inject myself as it had to be done by the nurse.
As expected by the injection frequency and amount, I had good high test levels but did not feel very good.
Also you have no chance of getting prescribed HCG in the UK so bye bye to your fertility and watch your testicles shrink like peanuts

Overall after taking for several years, I personally believe Clomiphene to be safe, effective and a good viable alternative to injecting test for secondary hypogonadism

I personally like the fact that im simply taking something that enables my body to function naturally and produce my own hormones

I do believe if clomiphene produced the same profit margins for big pharma as T, things would be far different, with regards to TRT overall

As a side note I believe the original cause of my low T to be caused by my medication (propranolol, venlafaxine, diazepam) and therefore I have recently started to taper off these meds starting with venlafaxine first. Hopefully ill get off all these meds and find out for sure eventually, but not going to kill myself in the process as im happy, motivated and everything is working as it should be

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Hi Guys,

Just wondering if anyone has any experience with regards to how long clomiphene elevates testosterone levels after discontinuing?

I can usually feel the side effects of low T within the first 3-4 days of taking a break on clomiphene, and therefore expected my results would be baseline after a week

I had my T tested around 8-9 days after I discontinued clomiphene, and my levels were still 14 Nmol (approximately twice my previous base line)

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The half-life of clomid is very similar to cypionate (4-7 days), so about 6 weeks to clear your system, maybe a little longer. I’ve seen in some cases, hormone levels can take a couple of months to return to baseline long after the clomid is out of your system.

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Thanks @systemlord

Reason I ask is I’m thinking of using one of the private TRT clinics in the UK (not sure if I’m allowed to name the clinic) but need two blood tests from the last 6 months showing baseline

Also as I’ve recently started correcting a zinc deficiency, I thought that may have contributed to my T levels remaining higher than expected

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I never understood why testing hormones early in the morning, when you’re at your best. When cardiologists check your heart, they don’t do it when you’re sitting in a chair, they check your heart when you’re at your worst, on the treadmill hooked up to a multiple probes.

There’s still so much stigma of steroids in 2023.

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Certainly agree with you there, fortunately there are now a few private TRT clinics in the UK and one or two of them seem reasonably priced

I think I’ll go off clomiphene for a month and then retest my baseline (just so I have an idea of what my actual baseline now is)

I believe these private TRT clinics will treat me with a level of 14 nmol anyway as long as I’m symptomatic

I’m just surprised how crappy I felt with a test level of 14 nmol especially when you consider my shbg is pretty much non existent. I believe my free T level to be almost 0.45 nmol which I thought was optimal

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Would you consider this free T level acceptable for long term clomid monotherapy if also feeling okay?

I’m torn between sticking with clomid monotherapy which I’ve been on for years, or switch to sustanon 125mg/week + 1000iu hcg/week

As I said I feel okay with just the clomid but keep questioning how much better I’d feel on proper T injections

Cost difference is 15-20 pounds/month vs approximately 75-80 pounds/month

All opinions welcome

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If you ask me, I’d rather be on a natural hormone than some frankenstein drug, a chemical, a toxin.

It’s really that simple.

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Thanks @systemlord for your input

With regards to the choice of substance I’m not particularly worried about taking clomid long term, as I’ve had no real issues since starting it in 2018

If anything I’m maybe a bit more irritable in hot weather than normal but no other noticeable negative sides

I suppose I’m more concerned with my numbers on clomid monotherapy. My free T seems to be what alot of people achieve on injectable test

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I have a neighbor that wants to fight with her husband when the weather is hot, cold weather and you forget they are even there. It’s already started now that the weather is getting warmer.

Well, it was good while it lasted.

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:rofl: Fortunately I’m not that bad

What do you think of the actual numbers @systemlord?