Want to reduce your carbon footprint? Check out where France is potentially going with the whole carbon footprint thing. At the very least, this is the kind of thinking that is going on in the “Progressive” and/or “Liberal” mind.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20091220/sc_afp/lifestyleclimatewarminganimalsfood
“OOOOH the French can’t fight anyways” RIGHT?!
In the interest of being a good citizen of the world, I just blasted fluffy. Go team Eco!
Some people are seriously retarded. Why don’t we just nuke the earth and then we won’t be polluting it.
[quote]tom63 wrote:
Some people are seriously retarded. Why don’t we just nuke the earth and then we won’t be polluting it.[/quote]
I was watching a show not too long ago about old science fiction movies and how close or far off they were about their ideas of the future. A lot of them were very close to reality, some underestimated areas of our advancement and some drastically overestimated. However, nearly all the things that were science fiction from say the early 90’s and before are either in development or theoretically resonable at this point in time. It was quite scary actually. Anyways, the point to this whole little story is a science fiction movie, trilogy actually, which I just watched and the real life correlations.
I’m talking about the terminator series. TC just wrote an atomic dog where he discusses all these drone aircraft, robotic war machines and how they are trying… TRYING! to give them such advanced programming that they will be able to make decisions about firing on a target or not without human direction. Mistake #1.
The British are developing a satellite system which is designed to control these automated war machines. It’s called skynet. Mistake #2. Who is going to be the main controller of this thing? The UN? The US & Britain tag team? a new world government?
IBM has been working on computer brains. They aren’t interested in making them super good at computing, they are already good at that. They are trying to theach the brains to learn. They have now made a brain “HAL” which is twice as smart and adaptive as a cat. Mistake #3. http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/hals-bells-ibm-makes-thinking-computer-breakthrough-1822737.html
And then we have this story. Radicals who think that animals are a threat to the earth with the public enemy no 1 being humans. I mean how far fetched is it to think that somewhere down the line, a computer brain which becomes self aware, hits up the internet for a little reading, sees this global wrming threat, sees us as the problem, decides to save the world, learns how to hack into skynet, hacks in, takes control of the world weapons which are “online” and starts fucking shit up. I mean it may not go down just like in the movie. I doubt there is online access to launching a nuke now or ever. But I could see drone strikes, and especially if our robotics get much better over the next say 10 years when this would go down. Get your EMP weapons ready boys. If it’s not the zombie apocolypes, it will be the machines.
V
So what is the carbon footprint of the SPCA? That is more CO2 that a coal burning power plant. How is the SPCA going to fair under Cap and Trade? Just think of the animals. They might be an antidepressant, but when they crap on the floor or better yet on your bed, they become very depressing. SPCA is the reason for our global warming.
Vegita, is the next John Conner, or are you going to pilot a hovercraft in the sewers near Zion?
I lowered my footprint today by recycling a aluminum can tab. Just doing my part.
So I guess PETA are eco terrorists now.
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
I lowered my footprint today by recycling a aluminum can tab. Just doing my part.[/quote]
Actually, a healthy analysis would prove otherwise.
No recycle:
The can takes a ride and produces 1 trip of emissions and is buried.
Recycle:
I take it for a ride to my recycling box. (1 trip)
The bin is picked up by the semi and taken to a facility. (1 trip)
The facilty exhales much carbon to process the recycled aluminum material. (What is this in trips?)
Count the processing material purchased and shipped to the facility (1 trip)
The material is resold, shipped on a truck. (1 trip)
To be resold and shipped (1 trip)
It would seem that recycling contributes at least 3-5X more carbon emissions. How does this play with the whole Liberal/Green philosophy?
[quote]Vegita wrote:
[quote]tom63 wrote:
Some people are seriously retarded. Why don’t we just nuke the earth and then we won’t be polluting it.[/quote]
I was watching a show not too long ago about old science fiction movies and how close or far off they were about their ideas of the future. A lot of them were very close to reality, some underestimated areas of our advancement and some drastically overestimated. However, nearly all the things that were science fiction from say the early 90’s and before are either in development or theoretically resonable at this point in time. It was quite scary actually. Anyways, the point to this whole little story is a science fiction movie, trilogy actually, which I just watched and the real life correlations.
I’m talking about the terminator series. TC just wrote an atomic dog where he discusses all these drone aircraft, robotic war machines and how they are trying… TRYING! to give them such advanced programming that they will be able to make decisions about firing on a target or not without human direction. Mistake #1.
The British are developing a satellite system which is designed to control these automated war machines. It’s called skynet. Mistake #2. Who is going to be the main controller of this thing? The UN? The US & Britain tag team? a new world government?
IBM has been working on computer brains. They aren’t interested in making them super good at computing, they are already good at that. They are trying to theach the brains to learn. They have now made a brain “HAL” which is twice as smart and adaptive as a cat. Mistake #3. HAL's bells: IBM makes 'thinking computer' breakthrough | The Independent | The Independent
And then we have this story. Radicals who think that animals are a threat to the earth with the public enemy no 1 being humans. I mean how far fetched is it to think that somewhere down the line, a computer brain which becomes self aware, hits up the internet for a little reading, sees this global wrming threat, sees us as the problem, decides to save the world, learns how to hack into skynet, hacks in, takes control of the world weapons which are “online” and starts fucking shit up. I mean it may not go down just like in the movie. I doubt there is online access to launching a nuke now or ever. But I could see drone strikes, and especially if our robotics get much better over the next say 10 years when this would go down. Get your EMP weapons ready boys. If it’s not the zombie apocolypes, it will be the machines.
V[/quote]
Or maybe this generation and the couple before who have been connected through technology to disasters and simulated attacks against us in order to breed fear has resulted in a bunch of insecure paranoid people who will give anyone untold power in order to make them feel a little safe (George W. Bush)
[quote]Rockscar wrote:
Want to reduce your carbon footprint? Check out where France is potentially going with the whole carbon footprint thing. At the very least, this is the kind of thinking that is going on in the “Progressive” and/or “Liberal” mind.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20091220/sc_afp/lifestyleclimatewarminganimalsfood
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At least they think…
[quote]Schlenkatank wrote:
[quote]Rockscar wrote:
Want to reduce your carbon footprint? Check out where France is potentially going with the whole carbon footprint thing. At the very least, this is the kind of thinking that is going on in the “Progressive” and/or “Liberal” mind.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20091220/sc_afp/lifestyleclimatewarminganimalsfood
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At least they think…[/quote]
Or at least they claim they do…
[quote]Schlenkatank wrote:
[quote]Rockscar wrote:
Want to reduce your carbon footprint? Check out where France is potentially going with the whole carbon footprint thing. At the very least, this is the kind of thinking that is going on in the “Progressive” and/or “Liberal” mind.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20091220/sc_afp/lifestyleclimatewarminganimalsfood
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At least they think…[/quote]
About what? Destroying the way humams live?
Also it seems there is no challenge to MY THINKING that going green actually damages the environment more through the recycling programs.
[quote]Rockscar wrote:
[quote]Schlenkatank wrote:
[quote]Rockscar wrote:
Want to reduce your carbon footprint? Check out where France is potentially going with the whole carbon footprint thing. At the very least, this is the kind of thinking that is going on in the “Progressive” and/or “Liberal” mind.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20091220/sc_afp/lifestyleclimatewarminganimalsfood
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At least they think…[/quote]
About what? Destroying the way humams live?
Also it seems there is no challenge to MY THINKING that going green actually damages the environment more through the recycling programs.[/quote]
I don’t disagree. The actual cost of this stuff and energy used is something that is never factored in. Remember these clowns are Haavvaad grads, not MIT math guys.
[quote]Rockscar wrote:
[quote]Schlenkatank wrote:
[quote]Rockscar wrote:
Want to reduce your carbon footprint? Check out where France is potentially going with the whole carbon footprint thing. At the very least, this is the kind of thinking that is going on in the “Progressive” and/or “Liberal” mind.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20091220/sc_afp/lifestyleclimatewarminganimalsfood
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At least they think…[/quote]
About what? Destroying the way humams live?
Also it seems there is no challenge to MY THINKING that going green actually damages the environment more through the recycling programs.[/quote]
Most recycling is very energy efficient (google aluminum recycling and energy) . That’s why we do it, most people think it’s normal. it’s also very easy, so why are you complaining?
And what humans do you speak of? Western civilization? I’ve heard this argument before, and I personally believe it’s seriously flawed.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Schlenkatank wrote:
[quote]Rockscar wrote:
Want to reduce your carbon footprint? Check out where France is potentially going with the whole carbon footprint thing. At the very least, this is the kind of thinking that is going on in the “Progressive” and/or “Liberal” mind.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20091220/sc_afp/lifestyleclimatewarminganimalsfood
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At least they think…[/quote]
Or at least they claim they do…
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See my last post, he didn’t actually take the time to legitimately estimate the energy cost which is something that green thinkers have done.
[quote]Schlenkatank wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Schlenkatank wrote:
[quote]Rockscar wrote:
Want to reduce your carbon footprint? Check out where France is potentially going with the whole carbon footprint thing. At the very least, this is the kind of thinking that is going on in the “Progressive” and/or “Liberal” mind.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20091220/sc_afp/lifestyleclimatewarminganimalsfood
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At least they think…[/quote]
Or at least they claim they do…
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See my last post, he didn’t actually take the time to legitimately estimate the energy cost which is something that green thinkers have done. [/quote]
Yeah?
Guess what, accountants have done it before them which is why aluminum is already recycled, green agenda or not.
Most other things that get recycled are a waste of resources, it is cheaper to just throw them away.
To use one of the very, very few substances an average houshold actually can recycle and make a profit is a tad misleading, dont you think?
I like how they have dovetailed environmentalism into veganism.
Now we should include eating meat with environmentally damaging practices.
Very creative. Complete bullshit, but very creative.
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
I like how they have dovetailed environmentalism into veganism.
Now we should include eating meat with environmentally damaging practices.
Very creative. Complete bullshit, but very creative.
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Well… not necessarily. Impact from consuming meat and dairy is decidedly higher than that of consuming everything else.
The only trouble is that while I consider myself at least partially environmentally minded, no way in hell am I giving up the amount of meat I eat. It’s just too central to my life.
There was a study a while ago comparing the impact of switching to a hybrid car vs that of reducing one’s meat intake to the global average, and it came out to roughly equal. I’ll see if I can find it.
“[…] the added GHG emissions associated with the difference between a red meat diet and a plant-based one is comparable to the difference between a Toyota Camry and an SUV, 2.52 CO2 person ^-1 yr ^-1, when the portion of animal based calories in the diet is 26%” (Eshel and Martin 2006).
The study is titled “Diet, Energy and Global Warming” by Gidon Eshel and Pamela Martin
Here’s the link: http://www.wepapers.com/Papers/48709/Diet,_Energy_and__Global_Warming_Gidon_Eshel_and_Pamela_Martin
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Schlenkatank wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Schlenkatank wrote:
[quote]Rockscar wrote:
Want to reduce your carbon footprint? Check out where France is potentially going with the whole carbon footprint thing. At the very least, this is the kind of thinking that is going on in the “Progressive” and/or “Liberal” mind.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20091220/sc_afp/lifestyleclimatewarminganimalsfood
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At least they think…[/quote]
Or at least they claim they do…
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See my last post, he didn’t actually take the time to legitimately estimate the energy cost which is something that green thinkers have done. [/quote]
Yeah?
Guess what, accountants have done it before them which is why aluminum is already recycled, green agenda or not.
Most other things that get recycled are a waste of resources, it is cheaper to just throw them away.
To use one of the very, very few substances an average houshold actually can recycle and make a profit is a tad misleading, dont you think?
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Accountants? Not exactly man, but yes I know why aluminum is recycled, it’s smart. Aluminum also happens to be one of the most used materials, so its a no brainer. Recycling of aluminum, glass, and most paper is energy efficient and not very expensive. Not all materials are cost effective, but there are other costs to consider which people here are ignoring.