Hell's Angels v Muslims in Denmark

I’m trying to find the video of him answering questions on the uncovered meat because I think that will show people that his explanations are just implausible.
From what I remember he says “If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street, or in the garden or in the park, or in the backyard without a cover, and the cats come and eat it … whose fault is it, the cats’ or the uncovered meat? The uncovered meat is the problem. If she was in her room, in her home, in her hijab, no problem would have occurred.” means that it’s the cat’s fault for eating the meat, and therefore he isn’t excusing rape.

And the thing about kicking in the door? Why does he say it’s a trick of the camera rather than just saying what he later said? You saying that there is more to it, etc. etc. we’ll without actually providing anything at all means nothing really. I’m not saying he is a terrorist, and it’s not impossible that he is fighting extremists in his mosque, and I would welcome that, but he is doing himself (and the muslim community) no favours by allowing people to think he is a lying vandal.

In many of his interviews he sounds reasonable, it’s just when I read what he says when he isn’t adressing western media that I think he is a nutjob.

I assume this isn’t being interpreted badly?:

(and what are the pre-european islamic roots in Australia, and Bilaf was hardly charged for a “rendezvous”, he clearly implies that Bilaf shouldn’t have got 65 years, when later on in Western media he suggests he got what he deserves, and that if he was in a muslim country he would have been killed)

[quote]lixy wrote:
Chushin wrote:
lixy wrote:
For any religious person, 9/11 was “God’s work” just like everything else."[/i]

So, the invasion of Iraq was also “God’s work,” then.

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If you believe one, you should believe the other. How is Al-Hilaly any more right than Palin?

[quote]eigieinhamr wrote:
I’m sorry but this just doesn’t make any sense. [/quote]

Don’t be. It didn’t make much sense to me either.

I suggest you ask him.

But I certainly don’t share your conclusion that “he felt God was on the side of those who committed 9/11”. To say that something is God’s work doesn’t imply anything more - unless you’re biased and overreaching.

Yes.

I wouldn’t be so sure. And it certainly wouldn’t be reported in whatever newspaper and forum you read.

But go ask him just to make sure.

Now that is ridiculous! How does flying planes into buildings “make the US into a muslim country”? By what leap of logic or faith does that happen?

[quote]A lot of this just makes little sense to me, like:
“Sometimes we find a man who is over 40 or 50 years old and still acting like a teenager, still going to the beach in summer. Is that a real man? No. True manhood in Islam doesn’t depend on age. A child might act like a real man, while a man may act like a teenager. Some men, for example, don’t like what the Sheikhs tell them. These people are unbalanced and cannot be considered true men no matter how old they are.”
I assumed the beach comment wasn’t literal until I read the part about men not liking what Sheikhs telling them, not being real men.[/quote]

A “Sheikh” telling people that they should listen to him or they “cannot be considered true men”? I’m shocked!

[quote]Chushin wrote:

But, it is fun to watch, anyway…

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Nope, its sad, sad to see the excuse’s that are trotted out for this ignorant racist bigot, if it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck, flys liks a duck, looks like a duck, its a duck.

[quote]aussie486 wrote:
Chushin wrote:

But, it is fun to watch, anyway…

Nope, its sad, sad to see the excuse’s that are trotted out for this ignorant racist bigot, if it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck, flys liks a duck, looks like a duck, its a duck. [/quote]

Hey, I’m not making “excuse’s”. Just trying to see if those accusations hold water.

The man may be an “ignorant racist bigot” (in my experience, most religious leaders are), and if you have anything supporting that argument, feel free to post it. To me, tough, it seems to be very far from a clear-cut case.

[quote]lixy wrote:
Now that is ridiculous! How does flying planes into buildings “make the US into a muslim country”? By what leap of logic or faith does that happen?
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Actually you are right here, I misread the speach, so I thought the comment about the muslims taking over the whitehouse was immediately following the section about 9/11

[quote]lixy wrote:

The man may be an “ignorant racist bigot” (in my experience, most religious leaders are), and if you have anything supporting that argument, feel free to post it. To me, tough, it seems to be very far from a clear-cut case.[/quote]

“The Jews’ struggle with humanity is as old as history itself; the present continuing struggle with the Islam nation is a natural continuation of the Jews’ enmity towards the human race as a whole”

I don’t think that could be explained away by any link to Israel because it is just too far reaching.

“The Jews try to control the world through sex, then sexual perversion, then the promotion of espionage, treason, and economic hoarding.”

The references to world control through sex also means that it wouldn’t make sense to suggest this is a reference to Israel rather than the jews as a whole.

[quote]lixy wrote:

The man may be an “ignorant racist bigot” (in my experience, most religious leaders are), and if you have anything supporting that argument, feel free to post it. To me, tough, it seems to be very far from a clear-cut case.[/quote]

Hey no problems with your statements, most religious leaders in my view as well are ignorant racist bigots and that covers the whole range of religions.

To me it appears to be very clear in the Mufti’s case, he has shown a consistent pattern of this behaviour over the years and when he is called on it, its this constant state of denial from him and his followers.

Most info has been posted on him in this thread so am not going to contuinue to post it, to me it shows a very clear case against the mufti, I guess this is where we will disagree. May your day be good.

[quote]eigieinhamr wrote:
lixy wrote:

The man may be an “ignorant racist bigot” (in my experience, most religious leaders are), and if you have anything supporting that argument, feel free to post it. To me, tough, it seems to be very far from a clear-cut case.

“The Jews’ struggle with humanity is as old as history itself; the present continuing struggle with the Islam nation is a natural continuation of the Jews’ enmity towards the human race as a whole”

I don’t think that could be explained away by any link to Israel because it is just too far reaching.

“The Jews try to control the world through sex, then sexual perversion, then the promotion of espionage, treason, and economic hoarding.”

The references to world control through sex also means that it wouldn’t make sense to suggest this is a reference to Israel rather than the jews as a whole.[/quote]

That pretty much settles it. We can be fairly confident that the man was a “racist bigot” 21 years ago.

[quote]Chushin wrote:
eigieinhamr wrote:

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20646437-601,00.html → uncovered meat comment

Which of the many accusations of “unfairness” and “bigotry” that have been made here will be cast on THESE critics of this “holy man?”

[i]Muslim community leaders were yesterday outraged and offended by Sheik Hilali’s remarks, insisting the cleric was no longer worthy of his title as Australia’s mufti.

Young Muslim adviser Iktimal Hage-Ali - who does not wear a hijab - said the Islamic headdress was not a “tool” worn to prevent rape and sexual harassment. “It’s a symbol that readily identifies you as being Muslim, but just because you don’t wear the headscarf doesn’t mean that you’re considered fresh meat for sale,” the former member of John Howard’s Muslim advisory board told The Australian.

“The onus should not be on the female to not attract attention, it should be on males to learn how to control themselves.”

Australia’s most prominent female Muslim leader, Aziza Abdel-Halim, said the hijab did not “detract or add to a person’s moral standards”, while Islamic Council of Victoria spokesman Waleed Ali said it was “ignorant and naive” for anyone to believe that a hijab could stop sexual assault.

“Anyone who is foolish enough to believe that there is a relationship between rape or unwelcome sexual interference and the failure to wear a hijab, clearly has no understanding of the nature of sexual crime,” he said.

Ms Hage-Ali said she was “disgusted and offended” by Shiek Hilali’s comments. “I find it very offensive that a man who considers himself as a mufti, a leader of Australia’s Muslims, can give comment that lacks intelligence and common sense.” [/i]

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Very sad you’re nothing but a parrot of the media.

Pity you didn’t parrot more though because if you did, you’d also know that Hage Ali was busted on cocaine charges… this is the Prime ministers hand pick for a Muslim youth leader… lmao, oh AND Australian of the year.

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,24779599-5001021,00.html

This is exactly what I’m talking about. You guys want Muslims to fit your ideals just as Howard supposedly hand picked a model representative of Muslims when she is largely known to be from a sect who are considered outside the fold of Islam, she doesn’t practice her religon, she openly flaunts not practicing her religon and worse yet takes hard drugs, was caught doing it and admitted to it, was caught up in a dealing scandal and was eventually sacked from the prime ministers board, her award revoked and is basically conniving her way around it all.
If this is the Muslim you’re after, then rest assured, there will be plenty like her breeding.

Is this what Muslims themselves want? I can guarantee you the answer is a big fat no.

They never bothered to ask Muslims to provide a decent role model but rather hand picked her, and another guy both from controversial sects and largely not accepted by the mainstream Muslims.

Before you quote things - which has been my contention all along - know what you’re quoting.

You guys seriously don’t understand the dynamics and terrible inner politics going on. You latch on media tripe and claim it as your gospel. The opportunists in that quote above are all involved in power struggles and ploys to overthrow Sheikh Taj for their own agendas. Funny enough, you’d be going down the evolutionary scale if you think getting rid of Taj will bring about benefit. If you think he’s bad, just wait for what’s in stall with those clutching at the position behind him.

Besides, he’s not the Mufti and hasn’t been for quite a while.

Anyway, I hoped that I could steer this in a sensible fashion and answer the questions appropriately but with the input of every cook, the broth has certainly spoiled.

[quote]eigieinhamr wrote:
lixy wrote:
Now that is ridiculous! How does flying planes into buildings “make the US into a muslim country”? By what leap of logic or faith does that happen?

Actually you are right here, I misread the speach, so I thought the comment about the muslims taking over the whitehouse was immediately following the section about 9/11[/quote]

I think you two are forgotten that Islam is airborne, like the gay, so you need planes to spread it-

[quote]lixy wrote:
The man may be an “ignorant racist bigot” (in my experience, most religious leaders are)[/quote]

Don’t forget sexist and homophobic.

Go religion!

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