[quote]formerfatboy wrote:
This would be true if our national debt wasn’t already completely out of control.
Within 10 years our private sector won’t be able to fund gov entitlements and the interest on the debt. Creditors will cut us off, the printing presses will fire up, and on comes massive inflation.
That is when the proverbial shit will hit the fan. [/quote]
Once China cuts us off we are done, and they are just about to cut the funding. We don’t have 10 years we have 2 max.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
Incidentally, is anyone who was fundamentally against the bill but thought it would be strategically advantageous for it to pass (so as to destroy the Democratic Party forever, or some such reason) now happy that it passed?[/quote]
No. I said in a post last week, that if they pass it they win. People don’t seem to grasp that once these tyrants have control of every single aspect of their life because how it will be portrayed as effecting their health elections don’t matter anymore. Purely academic waste of time. [/quote]
VERY well said. As soon as the gov takes control of anything they create a monopoly. Monopolies ALWAYS (!) become in-efficient. Maybe this HC bill will have some minor advantages (which I doubt, but that’s not the point), but in the long term it will be disastrous.
Creating new systems & instances isn’t that hard, destroying them is EXTREMELY hard. There’s virtually no going back.
My dream to move to the USA after my studies has just been shattered.
[quote]Xav wrote:
VERY well said. As soon as the gov takes control of anything they create a monopoly. Monopolies ALWAYS (!) become in-efficient. Maybe this HC bill will have some minor advantages (which I doubt, but that’s not the point), but in the long term it will be disastrous.
Creating new systems & instances isn’t that hard, destroying them is EXTREMELY hard. There’s virtually no going back.
My dream to move to the USA after my studies has just been shattered.[/quote]
If you want to move here first thing to learn is don’t understimate the American people. The American people have rejected this bill, they will remember this come November. The battle lines have been drawn. As long as the GOP runs on smaller government this time around and actually delivers we should be ok, if they don’t we will see a 3rd party spring to action.
This bill and many other unconstitutional bills will very soon find themselves unfundable.
[quote]Tancredi wrote:
[quote]thefederalist wrote:
approximately 3 1/2 hours. This feels almost as good as Nov. 4, 2008.
[/quote]
Yes it does, I’m excited. Its far from complete and has flaws but its a good start.[/quote]
I’m curious, what is it that you like about this bill. I’d like some detail if you have it.
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
Incidentally, is anyone who was fundamentally against the bill but thought it would be strategically advantageous for it to pass (so as to destroy the Democratic Party forever, or some such reason) now happy that it passed?[/quote]
I’ve stated many times in the past that although I was against the bills passage I know that in November the democrats will pay dearly for this horrible bill. I also think that along with the bills passage not only will many democrats lose their seats in November but Obama’s hands will then be tied as well (see republican revolution of 94’ Gingrich Congress contract with America). And since Obama is truly a leftist he will not move to the center as Bill Clinton did in 95’ thus making Obama ineffective and totally harmless.
Obama did what smart politicians from the past would never have done and that’s thwart the will of the people. I think the backlash will be fierce and unceasing from this point to 2012 and beyond. In a very real sense I think it took something of this magnitude to wake up the American people (those who are capable of awakening) and to revive the republican party.
One final point, as Jimmy Carter went about recking the economy in the mid 70’s there arose a strong backlash and up from the dust came Ronald Reagan and 12 years of republican rule.
We thanked Jimmy Carter well into the 90’s for his contribution to a resurgence in the republican party. How long Obama will have our appreciation can only be measured by how far the economy will fall thanks to this catastrophic bill and the many other mis-steps of a President who seems to despise business and is only fully engaged when it comes to economic redistribution.
Oh yes, the democrats will pay dearly for this, very dearly for a long, long time.
[quote]John S. wrote:
<<< If you want to move here first thing to learn is don’t understimate the American people. The American people have rejected this bill, they will remember this come November. The battle lines have been drawn. As long as the GOP runs on smaller government this time around and actually delivers we should be ok, if they don’t we will see a 3rd party spring to action.
This bill and many other unconstitutional bills will very soon find themselves unfundable.[/quote]
The American people have been rendered irrelevant. Do you understand me? That’s been the leftist nanny state goal for decades? Single payer totalitarian control over every last area of your life is now a virtual inevitability. MARK MY WORDS. Write it down. Smaller government? What does that even mean anymore? Getting hit by a bus instead of a train?
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
Incidentally, is anyone who was fundamentally against the bill but thought it would be strategically advantageous for it to pass (so as to destroy the Democratic Party forever, or some such reason) now happy that it passed?[/quote]
I’ve stated many times in the past that although I was against the bills passage I know that in November the democrats will pay dearly for this horrible bill. I also think that along with the bills passage not only will many democrats lose their seats in November but Obama’s hands will then be tied as well (see republican revolution of 94’ Gingrich Congress contract with America). And since Obama is truly a leftist he will not move to the center as Bill Clinton did in 95’ thus making Obama ineffective and totally harmless.
Obama did what smart politicians from the past would never have done and that’s thwart the will of the people. I think the backlash will be fierce and unceasing from this point to 2012 and beyond. In a very real sense I think it took something of this magnitude to wake up the American people (those who are capable of awakening) and to revive the republican party.
One final point, as Jimmy Carter went about recking the economy in the mid 70’s there arose a strong backlash and up from the dust came Ronald Reagan and 12 years of republican rule.
We thanked Jimmy Carter well into the 90’s for his contribution to a resurgence in the republican party. How long Obama will have our appreciation can only be measured by how far the economy will fall thanks to this catastrophic bill and the many other mis-steps of a President who seems to despise business and is only fully engaged when it comes to economic redistribution.
Oh yes, the democrats will pay dearly for this, very dearly for a long, long time.[/quote]
Yeah, Ronald Reagan, the guy who exploded the size of government via the drug war. Real small government hero there. The last chance this country had to have a president worth a damn was Barry Morris Fucking Goldwater.
mike
[quote]Xav wrote:
My dream to move to the USA after my studies has just been shattered.[/quote]
Don’t give up so easy my friend. The people have only started to have their say.
Things look bad, but nothing that man fucks up cannot be unfucked, one way or the other. The Founders proved that.
Idaho looks to be leading the charge and maybe the states and the people can still abort this monstrosity. Virginia has already passed a law that says its residents cannot be forced to buy health care.
Hell, maybe we are seeing the Balkanizing of the U.S. Idaho is looking better and better.
Does anyone have a list, or know the number, of how many states are planning law suits against the Federal Government forcing them to follow this bill?
This bastard passed a bill that, whether you look at it as being good or bad, has torn this country apart.
[quote]demonthrall wrote:
^has a lot of growing up to do[/quote]
Agreed some people just dont get it. Obama is killing this country with his socialist ways. And anyone of the traitors in congress who voted for this bill are no longer Americans in my eyes.
[quote]JD430 wrote:
[quote]Xav wrote:
My dream to move to the USA after my studies has just been shattered.[/quote]
Don’t give up so easy my friend. The people have only started to have their say.
Things look bad, but nothing that man fucks up cannot be unfucked, one way or the other. The Founders proved that.
Idaho looks to be leading the charge and maybe the states and the people can still abort this monstrosity. Virginia has already passed a law that says its residents cannot be forced to buy health care.
Hell, maybe we are seeing the Balkanizing of the U.S. Idaho is looking better and better.
[/quote]
grin
Hell, maybe you should come up here and clean up Moscow PD.
We’re also pushing a bill allowing us to coin silver for citizens to pay state taxes with. Idaho is far from perfect, but there’s a reason I’m not leaving. I think we’re the most free state in the union.
mike
[quote]James_T_Kirk wrote:
Obama is a fucking idiot.
[/quote]
Truer words have never been spoken
[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
[quote]JD430 wrote:
[quote]Xav wrote:
My dream to move to the USA after my studies has just been shattered.[/quote]
Don’t give up so easy my friend. The people have only started to have their say.
Things look bad, but nothing that man fucks up cannot be unfucked, one way or the other. The Founders proved that.
Idaho looks to be leading the charge and maybe the states and the people can still abort this monstrosity. Virginia has already passed a law that says its residents cannot be forced to buy health care.
Hell, maybe we are seeing the Balkanizing of the U.S. Idaho is looking better and better.
[/quote]
grin
Hell, maybe you should come up here and clean up Moscow PD.
We’re also pushing a bill allowing us to coin silver for citizens to pay state taxes with. Idaho is far from perfect, but there’s a reason I’m not leaving. I think we’re the most free state in the union.
mike
[/quote]
I have read some examinations of the issue and Idaho often comes out on top in terms of most free states.
I would be there already if not for two things…my roots(family and such) and the fairly lucrative careers my wife and I have. Maybe in time.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Does anyone have a list, or know the number, of how many states are planning law suits against the Federal Government forcing them to follow this bill?
This bastard passed a bill that, whether you look at it as being good or bad, has torn this country apart. [/quote]
36 at last count and I believe only 34 needed for Constitutional Convention(?). Its a long shot, but there are pathways that can be taken that would restore American greatness and smash the progressive march against freedom. If this is not a rallying cry, I don’t know what is left short of a land invasion by communist country.
Nail in the coffin for the Democrats. Nov 2010 is going to be a tidal wave compared to 94. Wouldn’t be surprised if the GOP get’s both the house and the senate and keeps them for a generation.
[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
Incidentally, is anyone who was fundamentally against the bill but thought it would be strategically advantageous for it to pass (so as to destroy the Democratic Party forever, or some such reason) now happy that it passed?[/quote]
I’ve stated many times in the past that although I was against the bills passage I know that in November the democrats will pay dearly for this horrible bill. I also think that along with the bills passage not only will many democrats lose their seats in November but Obama’s hands will then be tied as well (see republican revolution of 94’ Gingrich Congress contract with America). And since Obama is truly a leftist he will not move to the center as Bill Clinton did in 95’ thus making Obama ineffective and totally harmless.
Obama did what smart politicians from the past would never have done and that’s thwart the will of the people. I think the backlash will be fierce and unceasing from this point to 2012 and beyond. In a very real sense I think it took something of this magnitude to wake up the American people (those who are capable of awakening) and to revive the republican party.
One final point, as Jimmy Carter went about recking the economy in the mid 70’s there arose a strong backlash and up from the dust came Ronald Reagan and 12 years of republican rule.
We thanked Jimmy Carter well into the 90’s for his contribution to a resurgence in the republican party. How long Obama will have our appreciation can only be measured by how far the economy will fall thanks to this catastrophic bill and the many other mis-steps of a President who seems to despise business and is only fully engaged when it comes to economic redistribution.
Oh yes, the democrats will pay dearly for this, very dearly for a long, long time.[/quote]
Yeah, Ronald Reagan, the guy who exploded the size of government via the drug war. Real small government hero there. The last chance this country had to have a president worth a damn was Barry Morris Fucking Goldwater.
mike[/quote]
Yea, Goldwater would have been a good one, it’s a shame he lost to perhaps the worst President of our modern era Lyndon Johnson. Ultimately I think Obama will surpass Johnson for the worst with Carter running third.
As for Reagan he inherited a mess from Carter and brought us back foreign policy wise (remember the Soviet Union, the Berlin wall? Sure you do>) as well as economically. Congress spends the money I know you know that.
"The Freedom of Choice in Health Care Act has already been filed or prefiled in 33 states:
Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maryland, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Nebraska, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia, Wisconsin, and Wyoming. Lawmakers in an additional four states â?? Montana, North Carolina, Rhode Island, and Utahâ??have publicly announced their intentions to file the legislation. A citizen-led initiative has also been announced in Colorado."
Very impressive, I wonder which option the US government will choose to squash this?