Havoc, Epistane Discontinued?

[quote]J-J wrote:
High Estrogen will increase Prolactin.

I agree though that one’s reaction to a specific action can vary with user - to some degree… possibly as we don’t fully understand all that is involved.[/quote]

Oh yes good call I completely forgot about that. I just automatically assume people always use AI’s adequately, in my mind its just crazy not to. That angle just completely escaped me.

The other thing I also forgot to mention with superdrol that I should have.

Most users get what they call “delayed gyno” in other words gyno during the PCT, or what they think is a PCT…

The actual drug shuts you down, when your coming back from suppression you get estrogen fluctuations and spikes.

This estrogen rebounding effect is generally what causes their gyno. People taking milk thistle and tribulus for a PCT are simply screwed by their own bodies and blame the drug.

So you get alot of people reporting gyno from non-aromatizing drugs, but its really due to misuse and lack of understanding of the drug/steroids in general.

[quote]Westclock wrote:
J-J wrote:
High Estrogen will increase Prolactin.

I agree though that one’s reaction to a specific action can vary with user - to some degree… possibly as we don’t fully understand all that is involved.

Oh yes good call I completely forgot about that. I just automatically assume people always use AI’s adequately, in my mind its just crazy not to. That angle just completely escaped me.

The other thing I also forgot to mention with superdrol that I should have.

Most users get what they call “delayed gyno” in other words gyno during the PCT, or what they think is a PCT…

The actual drug shuts you down, when your coming back from suppression you get estrogen fluctuations and spikes.

This estrogen rebounding effect is generally what causes their gyno. People taking milk thistle and tribulus for a PCT are simply screwed by their own bodies and blame the drug.

So you get alot of people reporting gyno from non-aromatizing drugs, but its really due to misuse and lack of understanding of the drug/steroids in general.
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Yea - it did seem strange you didn’t mention that.

I agree about the ‘delayed gyno’ thing ie. its cause.

I also agree about the use of an AI - vital.

[quote]J-J wrote:
Superdrol does not aromatise to estrogen. Not ever, not once, not a bit.[/quote]

Never said it did. Just saying people get gyno from it, but I don’t know anyone who’s gotten gyno from Masteron.

[quote]benchaffleck wrote:
J-J wrote:
Superdrol does not aromatise to estrogen. Not ever, not once, not a bit.

Never said it did. Just saying people get gyno from it, but I don’t know anyone who’s gotten gyno from Masteron.[/quote]

It isnt masteron.

Its methylated masteron, WHOLE new ball game.

People dont realize that methylation is a game changer, completely new drug, completely new rules.

It shares some similarities with Drol, which may explain gyno in some individuals ON CYCLE.

Even if there is no aromatization, it may somehow have a progestinic effect or an effect on prolactin that is uncommon and that we are not aware of.

Honestly Id say that is very unlikely, I think almost all gyno it causes stems from people’s own estrogen levels and their misuse of the product.

But certainly it is possible.

[quote]J-J wrote:
Superdrol does not aromatise to estrogen. Not ever, not once, not a bit.

Never said it did. Just saying people get gyno from it, but I don’t know anyone who’s gotten gyno from Masteron.[/quote]

If you want to be totally accurate - you said:

You are directly comparing Masteron and Superdrol - and as Masteron doesn’t aromatise it wasn’t much of a leap to think you may be thinking on the lines that methylated Masteron does…

I believe Masteron was not originally developed as a breast cancer drug - though it has of course been used as one (generally androgenic steroids DON’T make the most friendly drugs for women…).

It also does not block estrogen from breast tissue but is much more likely to have affinity for aromastase but no efficacy - blocking testosterone (or aromatisable compounds with a lesser affinity) from aromatase.