[quote]JPBear wrote:
Oh, and I almost forgot, law abiding citizens own them for protection. [/quote]
You are missing the point. Law abiding citizens would not want want handguns for protection if they weren’t designed to kill other people. That quality is what makes them useful for protectoin. That is also why police and military use them. I don’t even know that the person you are responding to is against handguns. He seems only to be pointing out the obvious. Handguns were designedd to kill people. Otherwise what good are they for protection?
Gotta go with the classic…1911. Bought my wife a Springfield 1911A1 hi-cap last year, and then put her through Blackwater’s 3-Day pistol course for Christmas. She had a blast, and learned a lot.
They loved her, too. They gave free hats and tshirts to the best shooter, most improved, etc. She got both just because she showed up 7 months pregnant and packing that beauty…
Was hoping to buy a Kimber CDP Pro for carry when I get home, but not making as much money as I thought I would on this deployment.
NSW (SEALs and boatguys) carry Sigs now, we have gotten away from the Mk23 due to size. It’s a great pistol, but it was really designed more as a primary weapon than as a secondary.
We carry the 228, toads carry the 226. Couldn’t tell you why we carry different models, that’s just what they gave us. 9mm unfortunately, IMO there’s a reason we went to .45 one hundred years ago, and that reason still exists today.
Nice job JPBear. Harry doesn’t believe in personal freedom that extends beyond his own sad myopic little world (as if you couldn’t tell that from his baseless, childish posts).
hey! …i just realized how to pick the lock w/my cossack friend: next time i’m over there i’ll say " hey after this delicious mug-full of room temperature vodka you just gave me, whadya say we go out back and practice some killing?" maybe then he’ll let me shoot that sig !
tool, have you taken any of those classes ? i have a couple books by masaad ayoob- that guy knows some shit !
Uh-huh. That’s why the fucking things were invented: going to the range. Sure. Gun nut.
Gun nut? Never been called that one before. Actually I don’t even like guns. A more fitting term would be “individual liberty nut” or maybe “property rights nut”.[/quote]
[quote]swivel wrote:
tool, have you taken any of those classes ? i have a couple books by masaad ayoob- that guy knows some shit !
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I haven’t taken any of his courses, yet. He’s pretty hardcore. The description of his LFI-IV Course is instructive:
"…LFI-IV is where we “go beyond the envelope.” It was here that we injected people with epinephrine and monitored their vital signs as they shot double speed to replicate full-blown fight or flight response in 1998. It was here that we did the “Dracula Drill,” draining a pint of blood from each student immediately prior to them shooting a qualification while experiencing blood loss. "
For the courses that he teaches in NH, he uses the Pioneer Sporting Club in Dunbarton.
I can also recommend the SIG Arms Academy in Epping, NH. Very modern indoor facility. Much more mainstream than Ayoob.
If you are looking to tweak your skills, on Monday nights the NH Tactical Arts Group shoots at Manchester Firing Line. Range time is only $11. They set up scenarios at different stations and you shoot for time and accuracy. One past scenario is that you stand with your back to the target and close your eyes. Your weapon is on the table behind you. The range officer spins you around until you are disoriented and dizzy. Open your eyes, orient your self, pick up your weapon and shoot. Good simulation for being being awoke in the middle of the night or (god help ya) being drunk.
Obviously, before they allow you to participate, they have to trust your skills, so you have to qualify with a range officer.
Well, what other purpose to handguns serve? Are people hunting with them now?
hahaha! awesome. i know this guy -a russian ex-speedskater, totally solid fireplug… everything in his personality is geared toward purpose. for instance he thinks it’s foolish for me to have “hobbies” like lifting and shooting. he’d say something like " theyr people who spend whole liyfe perfeK-ting these things. you-R not 1 of theym."
anyway one day i was at his house up in the sticks and he had a .357 sig p229 on the counter and i said " yo k. let me take it out back …" and he just looked at me with bemused disgust, took a long drag from his cigarette and said flatly:
" thet theng is 4 keeling,
not fyor shoooting et pay-per." [/quote]
[quote]Loose Tool wrote:
It was here that we did the “Dracula Drill,” draining a pint of blood from each student immediately prior to them shooting a qualification while experiencing blood loss. "
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[quote]rainjack wrote:
Nice job JPBear. Harry doesn’t believe in personal freedom that extends beyond his own sad myopic little world (as if you couldn’t tell that from his baseless, childish posts). [/quote]
You mean childish like calling me “Harry”? Fucking retard.
[quote]harris447 wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Nice job JPBear. Harry doesn’t believe in personal freedom that extends beyond his own sad myopic little world (as if you couldn’t tell that from his baseless, childish posts).
You mean childish like calling me “Harry”? Fucking retard.
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No. Nothing like that, Harry.
I mean like anything that scares you, or confuses you, or is not colored exactly the way you like should be impuned.
Fucking retard? I don’t know why I bother to post. You make my argument for me with your hate filled outbursts like that. But just so I am clear…is a fucking retard different than just a regular, everyday retard? Thanks for your help, Harry.
Now off to clean my Smith & Wesson model 686 .357 magnum revolver.
[quote]BRD421 wrote:
did anyone else notice that “Harry” has a picture of a person holding a handgun
under his name
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I was wondering about that. Perhaps he’s a bit confused as well as hoplophobic.
Ah, well, no matter. Here’s my baby. The Raptor by Kimber. When I get a bit faster with her I can call her the “Velociraptor”
Oh, and Harris? Do you know that throughout history, there have been lots of people who have not been allowed to own or carry weapons for any purpose, including personal protection. These people have always been called slaves, Harris.
The right to keep and bear arms was not invented by the Constitution of the United States. It is a fundamental right of free men that goes back to Ancient Greece and beyond.
In Greece, men killed each other with spears, swords, arrows and other weapons. They hunted with many of these same weapons.
Similarly, you can hunt with a handgun, if you like. You can also kill people with it. Weapons are versatile that way.
[quote]DemiAjax wrote:
Please, don’t use Ancient Greece as a model for fundamental human rights; it makes you look silly.
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I wasn’t talking about “fundamental human rights”. I have no idea what these might be.
In fact, I was referring specifically to the fundamental rights of free men, as they have been understood and practiced throughout history, including Ancient Greece. A free citizen of a city-state had the right and the duty to bear arms. If you disagree with this statement, please present your rebuttal. Otherwise you are the one who looks silly.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
DemiAjax wrote:
Please, don’t use Ancient Greece as a model for fundamental human rights; it makes you look silly.
I wasn’t talking about “fundamental human rights”. I have no idea what these might be.
In fact, I was referring specifically to the fundamental rights of free men, as they have been understood and practiced throughout history, including Ancient Greece. A free citizen of a city-state had the right and the duty to bear arms. If you disagree with this statement, please present your rebuttal. Otherwise you are the one who looks silly.[/quote]
I’ll be happy to rebut the statement. Citizens had the right and DUTY to bear arms in order to maintain a militia. Last I checked we don’t have a militia anymore.
Please enlighten me why anyone needs a handgun and don’t give me that protection line. When was the last time someone broke into you house?
A free man in Ancient Greece also had the right to kill a man who slept consensually with his wife, but could only sue a man who raped his wife. You’re using THAT culture as precedent for what “free men” are entitled to? Nice.
[quote]DemiAjax wrote:
A free man in Ancient Greece also had the right to kill a man who slept consensually with his wife, but could only sue a man who raped his wife. You’re using THAT culture as precedent for what “free men” are entitled to? Nice.[/quote]
Lets not forget that sleeping with young boys was also an accepted practice.
