Some folk reccomend using a fake ID, when paying Western Union. Photo ID is required with every transaction.
[quote]jtg987 wrote:
Shadow Hunter36 wrote:
jtg987 wrote:
yeah but I wanna go to america for awhile eventually. Try some supersize fries lol
Oh man! You mean to tell me you guys don’t have that down there? I don’t blame you then.
we had supersize coke for about 6 months then once supersize me came out they destroyed the notion of ever having it. I also want white castle any time i hear harold and kumar now I begin to crave it and to be honest mcdonalds and hungry jacks just dont cut it.
I mean Australia is getting really fat at the moment yet we don’t really have any of the fried, artery clogging take away like the americans, to be honest its not fair lol.[/quote]
When it comes to food choices in general, it seems we have about 1/10th of what americans have, not just fast food but everything. And its so fucking cheap.
[quote]Waif No More wrote:
Some folk reccomend using a fake ID, when paying Western Union. Photo ID is required with every transaction. [/quote]
It depends where you go - i have used one company (a travel agency) for a number of transactions now and they never ask for ID! It really depends on how scrupulous the cashier is on that particurlar day.
Have a chat with them, flirt a little (if opposite sex), be charming… this is more likely to make them feel there is no need to ask for ID.
But i always used my real name anyway, i just destroyed the receipt after supplying the MTCN. The address on the WU form neednt be the actual shipping address, the phone number neednt be real, and go to a vendor that isnt near where you live/work - this way it could be argued that it is not enough info to be considered you beyond all reasonable doubt.
If there is no record of contact (emails, website history… etc) then it is pretty unlikely (or just as likely) that the feds could find your payment details.
If the details match the package and the feds have the package, then it could be found that way - i would say that WU should be true and real and honest - the package should be delivered to a false name, and to a different address if possible.
If you use a fake name on the WU form successfully, all they have to do is contact WU with the name on the package with the destination address, a vague date of payment, the city of sender, the city of pickup… to get the details - so totally false details are recommended… get someone else to pay if possible.
It is also prudent to remove all electronic evidence and physical evidence when waiting for a package to arrive.
So that is all Favourite sites, emails, email addresses, history, cookies.
And all needles, gear, books, solvents, equipment etc… it depends on the amount of stuff you have and what it could prove, one amp of HG Test floating around your sock drawer is not worth stashing - but solvents, pyrex jars, SSVials, homebrew, UGL, filter systems etc… are as they imply production of one level or another.
Most times if your gear is seized, then you will get a letter informing you as much - but if for some reason they want to bust you off the back of that seizure (if it is a powder source, large volume of product, Australia/NZ) there will be no such letter ‘warning’ you as to their intentions… you will simply get a knock at the door - and have it kicked in if you dont answer…
I guess this is kinda common knowledge - just thought i would add my own experience/thoughts in case it helps at all.
How much crap are you ordering?!? We don’t need to show ID unless over $1000 is being sent. Is the policy totally different in Oz?
Best way is to find someone in the states that you 100% trust. Send them the money and have them WU it with fake info. Payment could never be traced to you.
[quote] Brook wrote:
Waif No More wrote:
Some folk reccomend using a fake ID, when paying Western Union. Photo ID is required with every transaction.
It depends where you go - i have used one company (a travel agency) for a number of transactions now and they never ask for ID! It really depends on how scrupulous the cashier is on that particurlar day.
Have a chat with them, flirt a little (if opposite sex), be charming… this is more likely to make them feel there is no need to ask for ID.
But i always used my real name anyway, i just destroyed the receipt after supplying the MTCN. The address on the WU form neednt be the actual shipping address, the phone number neednt be real, and go to a vendor that isnt near where you live/work - this way it could be argued that it is not enough info to be considered you beyond all reasonable doubt.
If there is no record of contact (emails, website history… etc) then it is pretty unlikely (or just as likely) that the feds could find your payment details.
If the details match the package and the feds have the package, then it could be found that way - i would say that WU should be true and real and honest - the package should be delivered to a false name, and to a different address if possible.
If you use a fake name on the WU form successfully, all they have to do is contact WU with the name on the package with the destination address, a vague date of payment, the city of sender, the city of pickup… to get the details - so totally false details are recommended… get someone else to pay if possible.
It is also prudent to remove all electronic evidence and physical evidence when waiting for a package to arrive.
So that is all Favourite sites, emails, email addresses, history, cookies.
And all needles, gear, books, solvents, equipment etc… it depends on the amount of stuff you have and what it could prove, one amp of HG Test floating around your sock drawer is not worth stashing - but solvents, pyrex jars, SSVials, homebrew, UGL, filter systems etc… are as they imply production of one level or another.
Most times if your gear is seized, then you will get a letter informing you as much - but if for some reason they want to bust you off the back of that seizure (if it is a powder source, large volume of product, Australia/NZ) there will be no such letter ‘warning’ you as to their intentions… you will simply get a knock at the door - and have it kicked in if you dont answer…
I guess this is kinda common knowledge - just thought i would add my own experience/thoughts in case it helps at all.[/quote]
Ah so don’t use your personal computer.Maybe go to an internet cafe that has computers.Or a friends house.I thought about the public library but that might be a risk.
If they check their history and see who logged in to that site.The library I went to didn’t make you sign anything though to use their computer.
Or just know how to clear that shit off your own… and do it if you feel that there is even the slightest chance of the outside world knowing what could be in your house/hard drive…
so after ordering any incriminating product/amounts, or after giving a relatively unknown personal AAS contact your contact details for shipment (ie. an email address contact rather than a website/‘pharmacy’).
There are usually a few different ‘places’ to go to to clear the data when doing such a thing, so it may be easier to just use a different computer.
[quote] Brook wrote:
Or just know how to clear that shit off your own… and do it if you feel that there is even the slightest chance of the outside world knowing what could be in your house/hard drive…
so after ordering any incriminating product/amounts, or after giving a relatively unknown personal AAS contact your contact details for shipment (ie. an email address contact rather than a website/‘pharmacy’).
There are usually a few different ‘places’ to go to to clear the data when doing such a thing, so it may be easier to just use a different computer.
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Brook,
Just fyi that clearing a bit of history and clearing out some cached files is by no means at all going to hide incriminating data on your hard drive from LE/FBI.
[quote]LillGuy001 wrote:
Brook,
Just fyi that clearing a bit of history and clearing out some cached files is by no means at all going to hide incriminating data on your hard drive from LE/FBI.
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I’m pretty sure he means wiping all sensitive data with either a DOD 3 pass or NSA 7 pass.
[quote]LillGuy001 wrote:
Brook wrote:
Or just know how to clear that shit off your own… and do it if you feel that there is even the slightest chance of the outside world knowing what could be in your house/hard drive…
so after ordering any incriminating product/amounts, or after giving a relatively unknown personal AAS contact your contact details for shipment (ie. an email address contact rather than a website/‘pharmacy’).
There are usually a few different ‘places’ to go to to clear the data when doing such a thing, so it may be easier to just use a different computer.
Brook,
Just fyi that clearing a bit of history and clearing out some cached files is by no means at all going to hide incriminating data on your hard drive from LE/FBI.
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Ya that’s kinda what i meant when i said there are a few different places to go… in that it isnt simple as clearing the cookies and temp internet files anymore!
That ain’t gonna do much to hide shit from computer forensics!
jj
[quote]Shadow Hunter36 wrote:
LillGuy001 wrote:
Brook,
Just fyi that clearing a bit of history and clearing out some cached files is by no means at all going to hide incriminating data on your hard drive from LE/FBI.
I’m pretty sure he means wiping all sensitive data with either a DOD 3 pass or NSA 7 pass.[/quote]
i sure if i knew what they were i would! ;D
[quote] Brook wrote:
Shadow Hunter36 wrote:
LillGuy001 wrote:
Brook,
Just fyi that clearing a bit of history and clearing out some cached files is by no means at all going to hide incriminating data on your hard drive from LE/FBI.
I’m pretty sure he means wiping all sensitive data with either a DOD 3 pass or NSA 7 pass.
i sure if i knew what they were i would! ;D[/quote]
When you delete something it’s NOT gone. Just the reference to it is gone. But the actual data is still there until it’s overwritten with new material. The 3/7 pass deal is where the data is overwritten either 3 or 7 times which makes recovery just about impossible.
There are lots of free programs to do this. I would suggest getting one to erase all your sensitive data. Sure, you can go around and delete everything manually but you sure aren’t going to be able to attack the swap file yourself.
There could be a LOT of stuff in the swap. Enough info for a forensics person to put the puzzle back together about what you been doing.
Oh i see! I knew about the undelete thing, but i had never heard of those programs… thanks, i will look into that!
JJ
[quote]Shadow Hunter36 wrote:
How much crap are you ordering?!? We don’t need to show ID unless over $1000 is being sent. Is the policy totally different in Oz?
Best way is to find someone in the states that you 100% trust. Send them the money and have them WU it with fake info. Payment could never be traced to you.
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True that! The same policy for Cali. I’m not worried of doing the WU thing but when you start getting have fake IDs made you open up another can of shit IMO. What if you get pulled over by Deputy Chokesoncock and you brandish one DL with your name and he spots the other one with your picture but it says Baba Ganoosh or some shit. That’ll ruin your weekend fo’ sho! I’m nice nice with my WU cashier she thinks I’m after her bones!
hmm best of luck with all that mate, one question though… was it AS you were going through when you got done ? was wondering about them myself and their success rate
Good Luck Bro, although I can’t say that I’m not a bit apprehensive to mail order now…
Maybe a good wake up call! Where my friends at?
hey man, signed up just to reply to this thread, because im from aus too and interested in this kind of stuff and ordering in the future etc…
my main question is how much did you order to get into this kind of trouble? just for a personal 3 month cycle or what?
good luck in october. thanks for sharing your story and let us know how you go
p.s. cant believe how crap our situation in aus must be compared to the us
[quote]Dave1188 wrote:
so no one here thats located in the US has been fucked too hard by the long,hard fist of freedom?
guess that makes me feel better. If anyone does please chime in, your experience may help someone in the future. [/quote]
If anyone is going to do this, please crosspost to the “War on Test” thread please…
Judgment day is tomorrow, fingers crossed.
Verdict is in, $3500 fine, 6 months to pay it, 12 months good behavior bond, but no criminal conviction/record.