Gun Control III

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

Bill, killing it as usual. [/quote]

Unfortunately, as wrong as they would be, it would only take 5 liberal supreme court justices to interpret it differently. Part of me wants Cali and New York gun laws to get appealed to the Supreme Court but I am frightened of the result.[/quote]

Fair enough, but we have Heller & McDonald on our side, and a few states that will blatantly say “fuck you” to the feds on this issue.

We’re winning the war, even though we lost a couple battles (CT, MA, NJ, NY, CA). Even the new gun control passed in MA went from “typical MA removal of rights” to “holy shit, this is only like 55% loss, with 45% gain”. We, gun owners, actually stood up and told them no, that bullshit isn’t happening, and we turned CT & NY style tyranny into typical masshole bullshit, with holes for judicial action written into the law, that favor us, not the government.

You eat an elephant one bite at a time. In certain states that means not losing as bad, and in free states it means winning.
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I don’t disagree. Like you said many states will ignore a Supreme Court decision for gun control but the precedent it will set worries me. Decisions such as Peruta in CA and the capacity limits will eventually make it to the Supreme Court and you know they won’t be 9-0 decisions.

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Americans acquire 135,000,000+ guns from 1991 to 2013 and violent crime rate hits all time record low (or at the very least back to 1935).

http://dailycaller.com/2014/11/22/fbi-u-s-murder-rate-fell-again-in-2013-and-other-bad-news-for-gun-control-supporters/[/quote]

We have to keep in mind that correlation does not imply causation. I wholeheartedly agree with champions of the 2nd amendment, however.

[quote]pushharder wrote:
However, it’s clear to anyone with an elementary school education that vast increases in numbers of guns do not cause relatively vast increases in violent crimes as has been trumpeted by anti-gunners for decades now.

They’ve been consistently wrong, wrong, wrong. Their theories cannot be trusted.
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^This.

It should be clear that the vast majority of crime is a result of disparities in the force available to people, not the existence of force itself. Criminals don’t often attempt to victimize someone that stands a decent chance of defeating them.

So this popped up on my facebook feed earlier today… sounds fantastic! Who’s joining in?

[quote]Aragorn wrote:
So this popped up on my facebook feed earlier today… sounds fantastic! Who’s joining in?

https://www.facebook.com/westyorkshirepolice/photos/a.10151841314484920.1073741827.19254304919/10152878629089920/?type=1

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Baaaahhhhh

“safe” sheep are “safe”

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Aragorn wrote:
So this popped up on my facebook feed earlier today… sounds fantastic! Who’s joining in?

Someday, the wolf will come.

It always has. Since time immemorial. Always.[/quote]

I can’t wait to see the look on their collective faces–and especially the facebook rage–when the wolf finally gets to their door and eats them. When the government benevolence facade finally caves I will be laughing my ass off.

And then promptly toasting the memory of what was once the greatest empire in the world

[quote]Aragorn wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Aragorn wrote:
So this popped up on my facebook feed earlier today… sounds fantastic! Who’s joining in?

Someday, the wolf will come.

It always has. Since time immemorial. Always.[/quote]

I can’t wait to see the look on their collective faces–and especially the facebook rage–when the wolf finally gets to their door and eats them. When the government benevolence facade finally caves I will be laughing my ass off.

And then promptly toasting the memory of what was once the greatest empire in the world[/quote]

I just don’t understand how anyone in Europe can actually celebrate the castles around the country side, read about the history of their regions, and then voluntarily give up their means of self defense…

You have the remains of the tyranny right in front of your fucking face, the god damn castle is visited by school children… And you sign right back up for that shit?

Idiots, just plain old total and absolute morons.

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Aragorn wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Aragorn wrote:
So this popped up on my facebook feed earlier today… sounds fantastic! Who’s joining in?

Someday, the wolf will come.

It always has. Since time immemorial. Always.[/quote]

I can’t wait to see the look on their collective faces–and especially the facebook rage–when the wolf finally gets to their door and eats them. When the government benevolence facade finally caves I will be laughing my ass off.

And then promptly toasting the memory of what was once the greatest empire in the world[/quote]

I just don’t understand how anyone in Europe can actually celebrate the castles around the country side, read about the history of their regions, and then voluntarily give up their means of self defense…

You have the remains of the tyranny right in front of your fucking face, the god damn castle is visited by school children… And you sign right back up for that shit?

Idiots, just plain old total and absolute morons. [/quote]

BINGO!

We have a winner. Ah, but we’re more evolved and special than they were. We’re not selfish like they were. Our nature has evolved…or something.

Castles are the “remains of tyranny?” This is actually quite amusing. It betrays the fundamental anti-imperialist/anti-monarchist mindset that is uniquely American and a hangover of the revolutionary era. It was the French Revolution and Bolshevism that threatened Europe with tyranny; monarchists/traditionalists were the forces opposing tyranny. Richard Weaver regarded this radical anti-imperialist mindset as the major flaw in American conservatism. He writes quite a bit about it in Ideas Have Consequences - an excellent, underrated classic of American conservatism in the 20th Century. Weaver was a much greater thinker than Russell Kirk in my opinion.

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Castles are the “remains of tyranny?” [/quote]

Castles have Kings & Queens, Kings & Queens rule subjects, and power is kept by a “family” through linage.

Say what you want about how discombobulated our current election process has become, but we get 8 years or so, and POTUS can’t give his “throne” to anyone.

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

Castles have Kings & Queens, Kings & Queens rule subjects, and power is kept by a “family” through linage.

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Monarchs on average taxed about 2-5% of income. Not even Genghis Khan would’ve taxed people at the rates that democratic nation states tax citizens. And why are taxes so high? Because the citizens have voted their way into the public treasury. A monarch traditionally is a non-partisan head of state and mediates between the different factions in society. This is in stark contrast to the head of state in the US; the leader of a political party. The monarch has a longterm vested interest in the society and so longterm economic stability and security are of primary importance to the monarch, unlike the head of state in a republic.

Because the monarch is not beholden to party politics or populist political ideologies like socialism, monarchies are the only systems of government that have longterm viability and stability. When the ancien regime in France collapsed the forces unleashed plunged Europe into the first actual world war in history; the Napoleonic Wars were fought on four continents. The century that followed was plagued by revolutionary violence(vanguard Communists and anarchists and anarchists/nihilists) on a massive scale in the colonies and internally. This is not a history lesson. I’m explaining what happened in Europe that brought about Bolshevism and fascism and completely destroyed Western civilisation as it was known before the US became a great power. Specifically, it was the collapse of the Bourbon regime and subsequent century of chaos and revolution that followed; by 1916 the remaining continental dynasties(Habsburg, Hohenzollern and Romanov) were teetering on collapse and the German General Staff deliberately sent Lenin back into Russia as a ideological subversion plot against the Russians in desperation > Russian Revolution > Bolshevism > The Second World War.

The legitimacy of those older power structures has been contested over and over again in Europe and what replaced them was almost universally bad. This is something Americans missed entirely. The US was an exception and a mythical ideology developed linking revolution with liberty as cause to effect; means to ends. A deep ideological hostility to monarchism and imperialism flourished in the collective consciousness. Accompanied by hostility to imperialism and colonialism; a distrust of European powers; political isolationism. This was very ironic in the antebellum South which had developed into a kind of feudal aristocracy. I’m not criticising it though. I’m an admirer of Southern agrarianism and the social structures of the South, leaving aside the slavery.

Everything you see going wrong today in the third world is due to the collapse of the colonial powers. I can scarcely think of anywhere that wasn’t convulsed in sectarian and political violence when the colonial powers pulled out. Terrorism is political and ideological and always an expression of nationalist, pan-nationalist or internationalist impulses. It arises where the old established powers whether they be native or foreign collapsing.

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Say what you want about how discombobulated our current election process has become, but we get 8 years or so, and POTUS can’t give his “throne” to anyone. [/quote]

The US will be a backwater within a generation and it won’t survive in anything like its current form. Mark Steyn gives a pretty good prognostication of what will happen in the US over the next few decades. I highly recommend his book America Alone. As a sort of European Canadian he’s removed from the party politics and idiosyncrasies of domestic politics over there. And Samuel P Huntington’s Clash of Civilisations is a pretty accurate assessment of the geopolitical scene in the 21st Century(although I don’t agree with some of his strategic assessments).

I’m not going to engage in an argument about this.

I’ll take as close to freedom as I can get over being ruled by a king, irrelevant how wonderful a picture you paint of being ruled.

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
I’m not going to engage in an argument about this.

I’ll take as close to freedom as I can get over being ruled by a king, irrelevant how wonderful a picture you paint of being ruled. [/quote]

This thread derailment reminded me of this scene.

What do we mean when we refer to “freedom?”

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

Castles have Kings & Queens, Kings & Queens rule subjects, and power is kept by a “family” through linage.

[/quote]

Monarchs on average taxed about 2-5% of income. Not even Genghis Khan would’ve taxed people at the rates that democratic nation states tax citizens. And why are taxes so high? Because the citizens have voted their way into the public treasury. A monarch traditionally is a non-partisan head of state and mediates between the different factions in society. This is in stark contrast to the head of state in the US; the leader of a political party. The monarch has a longterm vested interest in the society and so longterm economic stability and security are of primary importance to the monarch, unlike the head of state in a republic.

Because the monarch is not beholden to party politics or populist political ideologies like socialism, monarchies are the only systems of government that have longterm viability and stability. When the ancien regime in France collapsed the forces unleashed plunged Europe into the first actual world war in history; the Napoleonic Wars were fought on four continents. The century that followed was plagued by revolutionary violence(vanguard Communists and anarchists and anarchists/nihilists) on a massive scale in the colonies and internally. This is not a history lesson. I’m explaining what happened in Europe that brought about Bolshevism and fascism and completely destroyed Western civilisation as it was known before the US became a great power. Specifically, it was the collapse of the Bourbon regime and subsequent century of chaos and revolution that followed; by 1916 the remaining continental dynasties(Habsburg, Hohenzollern and Romanov) were teetering on collapse and the German General Staff deliberately sent Lenin back into Russia as a ideological subversion plot against the Russians in desperation > Russian Revolution > Bolshevism > The Second World War.

The legitimacy of those older power structures has been contested over and over again in Europe and what replaced them was almost universally bad. This is something Americans missed entirely. The US was an exception and a mythical ideology developed linking revolution with liberty as cause to effect; means to ends. A deep ideological hostility to monarchism and imperialism flourished in the collective consciousness. Accompanied by hostility to imperialism and colonialism; a distrust of European powers; political isolationism. This was very ironic in the antebellum South which had developed into a kind of feudal aristocracy. I’m not criticising it though. I’m an admirer of Southern agrarianism and the social structures of the South, leaving aside the slavery.

Everything you see going wrong today in the third world is due to the collapse of the colonial powers. I can scarcely think of anywhere that wasn’t convulsed in sectarian and political violence when the colonial powers pulled out. Terrorism is political and ideological and always an expression of nationalist, pan-nationalist or internationalist impulses. It arises where the old established powers whether they be native or foreign collapsing.

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Say what you want about how discombobulated our current election process has become, but we get 8 years or so, and POTUS can’t give his “throne” to anyone. [/quote]

The US will be a backwater within a generation and it won’t survive in anything like its current form. Mark Steyn gives a pretty good prognostication of what will happen in the US over the next few decades. I highly recommend his book America Alone. As a sort of European Canadian he’s removed from the party politics and idiosyncrasies of domestic politics over there. And Samuel P Huntington’s Clash of Civilisations is a pretty accurate assessment of the geopolitical scene in the 21st Century(although I don’t agree with some of his strategic assessments).[/quote]

I agree with your post, SM, but how can the world(or even a single nation) come back from DDDDEEEEMMMMOOOOCCCCRRRRAAAACCCCYYYY? The only way out, as far as I can see, is to wait for the collapse.

^^ The West can’t come back from democracy. There’s no possibility of a return to monarchy because the old, established legitimate monarchies are dead. Authentic monarchy develops over centuries.

@cb I wasn’t arguing that the US should have a monarch. That’s not possible. I was explaining my comment about castles and the American ideological hostility to monarchies and imperialism.

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

@cb I wasn’t arguing that the US should have a monarch. That’s not possible. I was explaining my comment about castles and the American ideological hostility to monarchies and imperialism.[/quote]

I know, but to continue to talk about it will lead to one, lol.