Gun Control II

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
The uncanny aspect to this ^ is that it happened in the heartland, not in the land of the Pacific Northwest bozos.[/quote]

because the Pacific Northwest bozos like the federal government running their lives. They would actually like the local and state governments to be abolished and let the Federal Government run their lives.[/quote]

It’s funny, there is an article in the Los Angeles Times, talking about how gun laws are tough to pass even in the West.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
Schumer, McCain say gun control bills will return

Read more: Schumer, McCain say gun control bills will return | The Daily Caller

Anybody need reminding why I refused to vote for McCain in 2008?
[/quote]

Because you preferred obama?

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[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Schumer, McCain say gun control bills will return

Read more: Schumer, McCain say gun control bills will return | The Daily Caller

Anybody need reminding why I refused to vote for McCain in 2008?
[/quote]

Because you preferred obama?[/quote]

Honestly, yes the GodKing ranks higher on my scale than McCain. They both fall well below the “shithead” threshhold, but Bam is head and shoulders above McCain.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Schumer, McCain say gun control bills will return

Read more: Schumer, McCain say gun control bills will return | The Daily Caller

Anybody need reminding why I refused to vote for McCain in 2008?
[/quote]

Because you preferred obama?[/quote]

Honestly, yes the GodKing ranks higher on my scale than McCain. They both fall well below the “shithead” threshhold, but Bam is head and shoulders above McCain. [/quote]
I respect your opinion, but I disagree. I can’t stand obama. I cringe every time he has something to say. I just know it’s going to piss me off.

On the gun thing, ok so McCain is a little to much in favor of gun control, but obama is way more for disarming citizens than McCain is.

God, Guns and America! Fuck Yeah!

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Schumer, McCain say gun control bills will return

Read more: Schumer, McCain say gun control bills will return | The Daily Caller

Anybody need reminding why I refused to vote for McCain in 2008?
[/quote]

Because you preferred obama?[/quote]

Honestly, yes the GodKing ranks higher on my scale than McCain. They both fall well below the “shithead” threshhold, but Bam is head and shoulders above McCain. [/quote]

Actually, I am a little surprised. I figure you would loath his economic policies.

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[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Schumer, McCain say gun control bills will return

Read more: Schumer, McCain say gun control bills will return | The Daily Caller

Anybody need reminding why I refused to vote for McCain in 2008?
[/quote]

Because you preferred obama?[/quote]

Honestly, yes the GodKing ranks higher on my scale than McCain. They both fall well below the “shithead” threshhold, but Bam is head and shoulders above McCain. [/quote]

Actually, I am a little surprised. I figure you would loath his economic policies.[/quote]

I loath them both, but I am speaking from a political perspective here, and that should be clear.

If we are talking about what they did before they became national level politicians it is an entirely different conversation.

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http://www.kptv.com/story/22147584/scio-schools-allow-staff-to-carry-concealed-weapons

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Well this certainly is interesting:

HIGHLIGHTS
Firearm-related homicides declined 39%, from 18,253 in 1993 to 11,101 in 2011.

Nonfatal firearm crimes declined 69%, from 1.5 millionvictimizations in 1993 to 467,300 victimizations in 2011.

For both fatal and nonfatal firearm victimizations, themajority of the decline occurred during the 10-year period from 1993 to 2002.

Firearm violence accounted for about 70% of all homicides and less than 10% of all nonfatal violent crime from 1993 to 2011.

About 70% to 80% of firearm homicides and 90% of nonfatal firearm victimizations were committed with a handgun from 1993 to 2011.

From 1993 to 2010, males, blacks, and persons ages 18 to 24 had the highest rates of firearm homicide.

In 2007-11, about 23% of victims of nonfatal firearm crime were injured.

About 61% of nonfatal firearm violence was reported tothe police in 2007-11.

In 2007-11, less than 1% of victims in all nonfatal violent crimes reported using a firearm to defend themselves during the incident.

In 2004, among state prison inmates who possessed a gun at the time of offense, less than 2% bought their firearm ata flea market or gun show and 40% obtained their firearmfrom an illegal source.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

Well this certainly is interesting:

HIGHLIGHTS
Firearm-related homicides declined 39%, from 18,253 in 1993 to 11,101 in 2011.

Nonfatal firearm crimes declined 69%, from 1.5 millionvictimizations in 1993 to 467,300 victimizations in 2011.

For both fatal and nonfatal firearm victimizations, themajority of the decline occurred during the 10-year period from 1993 to 2002.

Firearm violence accounted for about 70% of all homicides and less than 10% of all nonfatal violent crime from 1993 to 2011.

About 70% to 80% of firearm homicides and 90% of nonfatal firearm victimizations were committed with a handgun from 1993 to 2011.

From 1993 to 2010, males, blacks, and persons ages 18 to 24 had the highest rates of firearm homicide.

In 2007-11, about 23% of victims of nonfatal firearm crime were injured.

About 61% of nonfatal firearm violence was reported tothe police in 2007-11.

In 2007-11, less than 1% of victims in all nonfatal violent crimes reported using a firearm to defend themselves during the incident.

In 2004, among state prison inmates who possessed a gun at the time of offense, less than 2% bought their firearm ata flea market or gun show and 40% obtained their firearmfrom an illegal source.[/quote]

A similar story came out today in the Los Angeles Times as well…

Gun Crime has plunged, but Americans think it’s up, study says

Gun crime has plunged in the United States since its peak in the middle of the 1990s, including gun killings, assaults, robberies and other crimes, two new studies of government data show.

Yet few Americans are aware of the dramatic drop, and more than half believe gun crime has risen, according to a newly released survey by the Pew Research Center.

In less than two decades, the gun murder rate has been nearly cut in half. Other gun crimes fell even more sharply, paralleling a broader drop in violent crimes committed with or without guns. Violent crime dropped steeply during the 1990s and has fallen less dramatically since the turn of the millennium.

The number of gun killings dropped 39% between 1993 and 2011, the Bureau of Justice Statistics reported in a separate report released Tuesday. Gun crimes that werenâ??t fatal fell by 69%. However, guns still remain the most common murder weapon in the United States, the report noted. Between 1993 and 2011, more than two out of three murders in the U.S. were carried out with guns, the Bureau of Justice Statistics found.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

Well this certainly is interesting:

HIGHLIGHTS
Firearm-related homicides declined 39%, from 18,253 in 1993 to 11,101 in 2011.

Nonfatal firearm crimes declined 69%, from 1.5 millionvictimizations in 1993 to 467,300 victimizations in 2011.

For both fatal and nonfatal firearm victimizations, themajority of the decline occurred during the 10-year period from 1993 to 2002.

Firearm violence accounted for about 70% of all homicides and less than 10% of all nonfatal violent crime from 1993 to 2011.

About 70% to 80% of firearm homicides and 90% of nonfatal firearm victimizations were committed with a handgun from 1993 to 2011.

From 1993 to 2010, males, blacks, and persons ages 18 to 24 had the highest rates of firearm homicide.

In 2007-11, about 23% of victims of nonfatal firearm crime were injured.

About 61% of nonfatal firearm violence was reported tothe police in 2007-11.

In 2007-11, less than 1% of victims in all nonfatal violent crimes reported using a firearm to defend themselves during the incident.

In 2004, among state prison inmates who possessed a gun at the time of offense, less than 2% bought their firearm ata flea market or gun show and 40% obtained their firearmfrom an illegal source.[/quote]

A similar story came out today in the Los Angeles Times as well…

Gun Crime has plunged, but Americans think it’s up, study says

Gun crime has plunged in the United States since its peak in the middle of the 1990s, including gun killings, assaults, robberies and other crimes, two new studies of government data show.

Yet few Americans are aware of the dramatic drop, and more than half believe gun crime has risen, according to a newly released survey by the Pew Research Center.

In less than two decades, the gun murder rate has been nearly cut in half. Other gun crimes fell even more sharply, paralleling a broader drop in violent crimes committed with or without guns. Violent crime dropped steeply during the 1990s and has fallen less dramatically since the turn of the millennium.

The number of gun killings dropped 39% between 1993 and 2011, the Bureau of Justice Statistics reported in a separate report released Tuesday. Gun crimes that werenâ??t fatal fell by 69%. However, guns still remain the most common murder weapon in the United States, the report noted. Between 1993 and 2011, more than two out of three murders in the U.S. were carried out with guns, the Bureau of Justice Statistics found.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-gun-crimes-pew-report-20130507,0,3022693.story[/quote]

And on a completely unrelated note, the percentage of homes with guns has gone down too in that same period

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[quote]sufiandy wrote:

And on a completely unrelated note, the percentage of homes with guns has gone down too in that same period[/quote]

Where did you see that at?

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

And on a completely unrelated note, the percentage of homes with guns has gone down too in that same period[/quote]

Where did you see that at?[/quote]

The internet. Try to find a counter example, I tried and could not find one.

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[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

And on a completely unrelated note, the percentage of homes with guns has gone down too in that same period[/quote]

Where did you see that at?[/quote]

The internet. Try to find a counter example, I tried and could not find one.[/quote]

I was just wondering if gun ownership actually decreased over the last decade. I’m good, but I don’t know everything printed on “the internet” :slight_smile:

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boom…“the interent” sure did have it!

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^ interesting. Seems there might be a reliability issue on the research, but I buy there is a decline. Just look at the overall gun climate in America. Instead of guns people buy iphones, it makes sense ownership is down.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
^ interesting. Seems there might be a reliability issue on the research, but I buy there is a decline. Just look at the overall gun climate in America. Instead of guns people buy iphones, it makes sense ownership is down. [/quote]

Yep its a lot of little things that make it decline. Inconvenience is a big one too, if you live anywhere near a big city your either stuck at some indoor range or have to drive kind of far to shoot outdoors. My parents live in a rural area where we could shoot in the backyard 15 years ago but after a few houses popped up that had to stop.