[quote]pushharder wrote:
Police forensic scientist at Newtown hearing: Assault weapons ban won’t work
Read more: Police forensic scientist at Newtown hearing: ‘Assault weapons’ ban won’t work | The Daily Caller
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I heard somewhere that the victims at Newtown were not shot with a semi-automatic weapon. Is there any truth to this or write ups on it besides the hardcore conspiracy websites.
[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Police forensic scientist at Newtown hearing: Assault weapons ban won’t work
Read more: Police forensic scientist at Newtown hearing: ‘Assault weapons’ ban won’t work | The Daily Caller
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I heard somewhere that the victims at Newtown were not shot with a semi-automatic weapon. Is there any truth to this or write ups on it besides the hardcore conspiracy websites.[/quote]
If it wasn’t semi-automatic what exactly was it?
He had 2 hand guns on him
[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:
He had 2 hand guns on him[/quote]
Yes they were both semi-automatic as most hand guns are. Most articles say the only gun he didn’t have on him was the combat shotgun.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Police forensic scientist at Newtown hearing: Assault weapons ban won’t work
Read more: Police forensic scientist at Newtown hearing: ‘Assault weapons’ ban won’t work | The Daily Caller
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Unfortunately some people will just label him a “gun nut”.
[quote]smh23 wrote:
[quote]JayPierce wrote:
“The shooting range is perhaps not the best place to treat mental illness,”
You’re going to pretend that wasn’t a dig at Chris Kyle’s decision to take him to the gun range?
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It was a pretty bad decision in retrospect. Doesn’t make it any less sad. But yeah, if you’d have asked me whether or not I thought shooting was a great way to relieve mental illness, I’d have said, “maybe, but crazy and guns don’t mix well.” And I guess I’d have been right, huh?
But you’re right, I should have just pretended to think that he faked his own death and that his mourning family members are hired actors. That would have been the not-asshole approach, right? That’s what a humane, compassionate soul would do. Silly me. I’ve always been a bit insensitive about tragedy, you know?[/quote]
Sandy Hook was a tragedy.
This isn’t. This is more in the realm live by the sword die by the sword. He was a brave patriotic guy beyond a doubt. But he was also violent. And violent people sometimes come to violent ends. Sad certainly for any who knew him. But not tragic in any kind of way that a bunch of schoolkids dying is.
[quote]smh23 wrote:
[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
Suicide prevention 101 says remove lethal means from those at risk. I’ve had to help a friend’s wife pull guns from her severely depressed husband and store them for a while on doctors orders, and it wasn’t fun, but I personally think the step saved his life. Its not a personal affront to Veterans who might need some help to treat them like any other person who has mental-health issues and needs some help. [/quote]
This. Someone with serious mental problems doesn’t get a gun. Sorry.[/quote]
Have you ever gone to a shooting range? A lot of people don’t go just to shoot a target, they spend time with their family and friends there. Some people just enjoy shooting. Shooting can be kind of like golf, you can compete with yourself and relax while doing so. Him taking people suffering from PTSD to the range was most likely more of a way to develop a relationship with others and let them know he’s there for them. The firearm itself is just a small part of the equation.
[quote]Sandy Hook was a tragedy.
This isn’t. This is more in the realm live by the sword die by the sword. He was a brave patriotic guy beyond a doubt. But he was also violent. And violent people sometimes come to violent ends. Sad certainly for any who knew him. But not tragic in any kind of way that a bunch of schoolkids dying is. [/quote]
I have seen people meet violent ends.
I have also seen people live their lives with the utmost caution, never taking any unnecessary risks, only to meet ‘peaceful’ ends.
I can tell you without a doubt that I would much rather die the way Chris Kyle died, doing something I love and trying to help someone, than to live cautiously and ‘peacefully’ die of cancer. I have watched so many of my loved ones die long, drawn out, horribly painful deaths, that a bullet seems merciful in comparison.
[quote]JayPierce wrote:
I have seen people meet violent ends.
I have also seen people live their lives with the utmost caution, never taking any unnecessary risks, only to meet ‘peaceful’ ends.
I can tell you without a doubt that I would much rather die the way Chris Kyle died, doing something I love and trying to help someone, than to live cautiously and ‘peacefully’ die of cancer. I have watched so many of my loved ones die long, drawn out, horribly painful deaths, that a bullet seems merciful in comparison.[/quote]
Only one way for you to prove it.
[quote]groo wrote:
[quote]JayPierce wrote:
I have seen people meet violent ends.
I have also seen people live their lives with the utmost caution, never taking any unnecessary risks, only to meet ‘peaceful’ ends.
I can tell you without a doubt that I would much rather die the way Chris Kyle died, doing something I love and trying to help someone, than to live cautiously and ‘peacefully’ die of cancer. I have watched so many of my loved ones die long, drawn out, horribly painful deaths, that a bullet seems merciful in comparison.[/quote]
Only one way for you to prove it.[/quote]
Live life, help others, and let not your heart be troubled. Way ahead of you.
[quote]JayPierce wrote:
[quote]Sandy Hook was a tragedy.
This isn’t. This is more in the realm live by the sword die by the sword. He was a brave patriotic guy beyond a doubt. But he was also violent. And violent people sometimes come to violent ends. Sad certainly for any who knew him. But not tragic in any kind of way that a bunch of schoolkids dying is. [/quote]
I have seen people meet violent ends.
I have also seen people live their lives with the utmost caution, never taking any unnecessary risks, only to meet ‘peaceful’ ends.
I can tell you without a doubt that I would much rather die the way Chris Kyle died, doing something I love and trying to help someone, than to live cautiously and ‘peacefully’ die of cancer. I have watched so many of my loved ones die long, drawn out, horribly painful deaths, that a bullet seems merciful in comparison.[/quote]
To a certain extent I agree with you–on a personal level, I am infinitely more disturbed by the prospect of a slow, wasting death than of a bullet. And God knows I’ve taken some ridiculous risks.
That said, from a public policy perspective, sensible mental health/gun laws are desirable if they can be made to be effective.
[quote]b89 wrote:
[quote]smh23 wrote:
[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
Suicide prevention 101 says remove lethal means from those at risk. I’ve had to help a friend’s wife pull guns from her severely depressed husband and store them for a while on doctors orders, and it wasn’t fun, but I personally think the step saved his life. Its not a personal affront to Veterans who might need some help to treat them like any other person who has mental-health issues and needs some help. [/quote]
This. Someone with serious mental problems doesn’t get a gun. Sorry.[/quote]
Have you ever gone to a shooting range? A lot of people don’t go just to shoot a target, they spend time with their family and friends there. Some people just enjoy shooting. Shooting can be kind of like golf, you can compete with yourself and relax while doing so. Him taking people suffering from PTSD to the range was most likely more of a way to develop a relationship with others and let them know he’s there for them. The firearm itself is just a small part of the equation.[/quote]
I have no problem with the shooting range. I enjoy shooting. What I’m talking about is somewhat different. Truly disturbed people just don’t get to do what they want to do sometimes.
[quote]groo wrote:
[quote]smh23 wrote:
[quote]JayPierce wrote:
“The shooting range is perhaps not the best place to treat mental illness,”
You’re going to pretend that wasn’t a dig at Chris Kyle’s decision to take him to the gun range?
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It was a pretty bad decision in retrospect. Doesn’t make it any less sad. But yeah, if you’d have asked me whether or not I thought shooting was a great way to relieve mental illness, I’d have said, “maybe, but crazy and guns don’t mix well.” And I guess I’d have been right, huh?
But you’re right, I should have just pretended to think that he faked his own death and that his mourning family members are hired actors. That would have been the not-asshole approach, right? That’s what a humane, compassionate soul would do. Silly me. I’ve always been a bit insensitive about tragedy, you know?[/quote]
Sandy Hook was a tragedy.
This isn’t. This is more in the realm live by the sword die by the sword. He was a brave patriotic guy beyond a doubt. But he was also violent. And violent people sometimes come to violent ends. Sad certainly for any who knew him. But not tragic in any kind of way that a bunch of schoolkids dying is.
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How exactly do you know he’s a violent person, did you know him personally? Committing violence while at war doesn’t mean someone is inherently violent, it only means they’ve a desire to live to see another day. For him it’s part of his profession as a SEAL, a lot of people want to be a SEAL for the challenge of it. There’s nothing violent about wanting to challenge yourself.
[quote]b89 wrote:
[quote]groo wrote:
[quote]smh23 wrote:
[quote]JayPierce wrote:
“The shooting range is perhaps not the best place to treat mental illness,”
You’re going to pretend that wasn’t a dig at Chris Kyle’s decision to take him to the gun range?
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It was a pretty bad decision in retrospect. Doesn’t make it any less sad. But yeah, if you’d have asked me whether or not I thought shooting was a great way to relieve mental illness, I’d have said, “maybe, but crazy and guns don’t mix well.” And I guess I’d have been right, huh?
But you’re right, I should have just pretended to think that he faked his own death and that his mourning family members are hired actors. That would have been the not-asshole approach, right? That’s what a humane, compassionate soul would do. Silly me. I’ve always been a bit insensitive about tragedy, you know?[/quote]
Sandy Hook was a tragedy.
This isn’t. This is more in the realm live by the sword die by the sword. He was a brave patriotic guy beyond a doubt. But he was also violent. And violent people sometimes come to violent ends. Sad certainly for any who knew him. But not tragic in any kind of way that a bunch of schoolkids dying is.
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How exactly do you know he’s a violent person, did you know him personally? Committing violence while at war doesn’t mean someone is inherently violent, it only means they’ve a desire to live to see another day. For him it’s part of his profession as a SEAL, a lot of people want to be a SEAL for the challenge of it. There’s nothing violent about wanting to challenge yourself.
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Killing people is a violent job. It attracts violent people with I suppose the possible exception of Alvin York…who was certainly violent as a youth before he swore off of it and certainly became capable of it again when they wouldn’t let him be a conscientious objector.
If part of your profession is killing people then its violent by nature.
There are a lot of ways to challenge yourself that don’t have the intrinsic violence of being a special forces soldier.
Why do you assume that being violent is bad? Sometimes its very good and sometimes its not. But its never tragic when someone that is violent and seeks out violence finds it.
[quote]groo wrote:
[quote]smh23 wrote:
[quote]JayPierce wrote:
“The shooting range is perhaps not the best place to treat mental illness,”
You’re going to pretend that wasn’t a dig at Chris Kyle’s decision to take him to the gun range?
[/quote]
It was a pretty bad decision in retrospect. Doesn’t make it any less sad. But yeah, if you’d have asked me whether or not I thought shooting was a great way to relieve mental illness, I’d have said, “maybe, but crazy and guns don’t mix well.” And I guess I’d have been right, huh?
But you’re right, I should have just pretended to think that he faked his own death and that his mourning family members are hired actors. That would have been the not-asshole approach, right? That’s what a humane, compassionate soul would do. Silly me. I’ve always been a bit insensitive about tragedy, you know?[/quote]
Sandy Hook was a tragedy.
This isn’t. This is more in the realm live by the sword die by the sword. He was a brave patriotic guy beyond a doubt. But he was also violent. And violent people sometimes come to violent ends. Sad certainly for any who knew him. But not tragic in any kind of way that a bunch of schoolkids dying is.
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You and the formerly honorable Ron Paul can go fuck yourselves.
[quote]JEATON wrote:
[quote]groo wrote:
[quote]smh23 wrote:
[quote]JayPierce wrote:
“The shooting range is perhaps not the best place to treat mental illness,”
You’re going to pretend that wasn’t a dig at Chris Kyle’s decision to take him to the gun range?
[/quote]
It was a pretty bad decision in retrospect. Doesn’t make it any less sad. But yeah, if you’d have asked me whether or not I thought shooting was a great way to relieve mental illness, I’d have said, “maybe, but crazy and guns don’t mix well.” And I guess I’d have been right, huh?
But you’re right, I should have just pretended to think that he faked his own death and that his mourning family members are hired actors. That would have been the not-asshole approach, right? That’s what a humane, compassionate soul would do. Silly me. I’ve always been a bit insensitive about tragedy, you know?[/quote]
Sandy Hook was a tragedy.
This isn’t. This is more in the realm live by the sword die by the sword. He was a brave patriotic guy beyond a doubt. But he was also violent. And violent people sometimes come to violent ends. Sad certainly for any who knew him. But not tragic in any kind of way that a bunch of schoolkids dying is.
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You and the formerly honorable Ron Paul can go fuck yourselves. [/quote]
Whatever. As a disciple of Rand you could say he got what he had coming. There is no rational self interest involved in charity. And as its a sign of weakness the uberman killed the other.
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:
He had 2 hand guns on him[/quote]
Yes they were both semi-automatic as most hand guns are. Most articles say the only gun he didn’t have on him was the combat shotgun.[/quote]
Damn that’s my bad. What I meant was that I read that the victims were not shot by an assault rifle, but by the hand guns.
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
LOL you best believe Obama is strapped. Dude is carrying a 0.45 under that tux in case someone tries to Bobby Kennedy him. He packin’ for sure. [/quote]
Yeah, funny shit lib. You’ve been wrong on just about everything you’ve posted in PWI. Assuming you’re not being sarcastic, Obama is surrounded by heavily armed CIA. Obama relies on other people with guns to protect him at taxpayer expense for the rest of his life while he persues his statist agenda of disarming the civilian population.
I’m no expert(not a skeet shooter) but you can tell by Obama’s stance and the fact that he doesn’t appear to have the stock tight to his shoulder is indicative of a novice with bad form. To his credit he does appear to rest his cheek and some of the weight of his head on the stock. But I’d say his skeet shooting is tantamount to Romney’s imaginary varmint hunting. A ridiculous, transparent political stunt. Obama’s first priority will be disarming the populace and this is just part of his propaganda.
Personally, I’d be interested to see Obama disarm the citizens of Texas. I hear they have an average of nine guns for every adult in the state. Should be an interesting state of affairs.