Greatest 3 Stretch of Albums

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[quote]TJN713 wrote:
Dedicated wrote:
Dustin wrote:
Jack Urboady wrote:
Dustin wrote:
I was never a huge fan of Presence either. It’s a decent album, but compared to the previous 6 Zeppelin records it is disappointing.

I think it all went to shit after Physical Graffiti in all honesty mate. How could you keep that momentum going?

I’ve been listening to The Rain Song quite a lot recently. One of those tracks that takes you there.

The U.S tour after the release of Presence was a quite successful (up until Karac Plant died). But it was evident that eight years or so of touring, booze, drugs, and women was starting to take it’s toll on the band.

You’re right though. Six fantastic albums left the band only one way to go, which was down. They were a victim of their own success.

Dustin, what’d you think of In Through The Out Door? Always been one of my favorites.

D

And then there is this: http://www.listropolis.com/2008/06/led-zeppelin-innovators-or-plagiarists-audio-of-8-songs-proving-they-might-be-the-best-cover-band-of-all-time/[/quote]

If you are familiar with the Blues genre, you will know that it is common for artists to take previous material and tweak and modify it to make it their own. Often, this would be done without giving credit to whomever wrote the original piece. Essentially every Blues musician after Robert Johnson has “ripped” him off. George Therogood, for example, uses as many cliched blues riffs as one could ever use. The opening riff Billy Gibbons plays on La Grange is an old and rather typical one. Eric Clapton is another blues musician that has put his “spin” on old blues songs as well. Crossroads, which is one of Robert Johnson’s most famous tracks, has been re-written/modified by numerous individuals including Clapton.

Now Willy Dixon did raise hell when Zeppelin borrowed You Shook Me and made it their own. Later, Zeppelin did give Dixon credit for it.

I could talk about this for hours…so what exactly is your point?

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[quote]Dustin wrote:
TJN713 wrote:
Dedicated wrote:
Dustin wrote:
Jack Urboady wrote:
Dustin wrote:
I was never a huge fan of Presence either. It’s a decent album, but compared to the previous 6 Zeppelin records it is disappointing.

I think it all went to shit after Physical Graffiti in all honesty mate. How could you keep that momentum going?

I’ve been listening to The Rain Song quite a lot recently. One of those tracks that takes you there.

The U.S tour after the release of Presence was a quite successful (up until Karac Plant died). But it was evident that eight years or so of touring, booze, drugs, and women was starting to take it’s toll on the band.

You’re right though. Six fantastic albums left the band only one way to go, which was down. They were a victim of their own success.

Dustin, what’d you think of In Through The Out Door? Always been one of my favorites.

D

And then there is this: http://www.listropolis.com/2008/06/led-zeppelin-innovators-or-plagiarists-audio-of-8-songs-proving-they-might-be-the-best-cover-band-of-all-time/

If you are familiar with the Blues genre, you will know that it is common for artists to take previous material and tweak and modify it to make it their own. Often, this would be done without giving credit to whomever wrote the original piece. Essentially every Blues musician after Robert Johnson has “ripped” him off. George Therogood, for example, uses as many cliched blues riffs as one could ever use. The opening riff Billy Gibbons plays on La Grange is an old and rather typical one. Eric Clapton is another blues musician that has put his “spin” on old blues songs as well. Crossroads, which is one of Robert Johnson’s most famous tracks, has been re-written/modified by numerous individuals including Clapton.

Now Willy Dixon did raise hell when Zeppelin borrowed You Shook Me and made it their own. Later, Zeppelin did give Dixon credit for it.

I could talk about this for hours…so what exactly is your point?[/quote]

Point is Clapton, etc. gave song writing credits to the blues artists they “borrowed” from. Zeppelin did not, until being forced to do so through litigation. When does plagarism trump “inspiration?”

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Zeppelin were one of the only bands who could make a cover sound better than the original. No mean feat. In My Time Of Dying sends a chill up yon spine everytime I hear it

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[quote]TJN713 wrote:
Dustin wrote:
TJN713 wrote:
Dedicated wrote:
Dustin wrote:
Jack Urboady wrote:
Dustin wrote:
I was never a huge fan of Presence either. It’s a decent album, but compared to the previous 6 Zeppelin records it is disappointing.

I think it all went to shit after Physical Graffiti in all honesty mate. How could you keep that momentum going?

I’ve been listening to The Rain Song quite a lot recently. One of those tracks that takes you there.

The U.S tour after the release of Presence was a quite successful (up until Karac Plant died). But it was evident that eight years or so of touring, booze, drugs, and women was starting to take it’s toll on the band.

You’re right though. Six fantastic albums left the band only one way to go, which was down. They were a victim of their own success.

Dustin, what’d you think of In Through The Out Door? Always been one of my favorites.

D

And then there is this: http://www.listropolis.com/2008/06/led-zeppelin-innovators-or-plagiarists-audio-of-8-songs-proving-they-might-be-the-best-cover-band-of-all-time/

If you are familiar with the Blues genre, you will know that it is common for artists to take previous material and tweak and modify it to make it their own. Often, this would be done without giving credit to whomever wrote the original piece. Essentially every Blues musician after Robert Johnson has “ripped” him off. George Therogood, for example, uses as many cliched blues riffs as one could ever use. The opening riff Billy Gibbons plays on La Grange is an old and rather typical one. Eric Clapton is another blues musician that has put his “spin” on old blues songs as well. Crossroads, which is one of Robert Johnson’s most famous tracks, has been re-written/modified by numerous individuals including Clapton.

Now Willy Dixon did raise hell when Zeppelin borrowed You Shook Me and made it their own. Later, Zeppelin did give Dixon credit for it.

I could talk about this for hours…so what exactly is your point?

Point is Clapton, etc. gave song writing credits to the blues artists they “borrowed” from. Zeppelin did not, until being forced to do so through litigation. When does plagarism trump “inspiration?”[/quote]

Please go back and read my post again. The Blues genre is filled with artists who take earlier material and modify it. And they sometimes do this without giving credit, which as I said already, is not uncommon.

If you are arguing Zeppelin should have given so and so credit for using lyrics, guitar riffs, etc, then that is fine. If you are saying that they spent their whole career plagarising other artists’ music and did nothing original, then you don’t know what you are talking about.

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[quote]Jack Urboady wrote:
Zeppelin were one of the only bands who could make a cover sound better than the original. No mean feat. In My Time Of Dying sends a chill up yon spine everytime I hear it[/quote]

In My Time of Dying, eh?

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[quote]Dustin wrote:
In My Time of Dying, eh?

That’s the shit right there Dustin. The DVD that performance is from is legendary. Bonzo’s drums on this track own me and my brethren.

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The Wallflowers:
Breach (2000)
Red Letter Days (2002)
Rebel, Sweetheart (2005)

AC/DC:
Highway to Hell (1979)
Back in Black (1980) - Any stretch of 3 including Black in Black would work.
For Those About to Rock We Salute You (1981)

Fastball:
Make Your Mama Proud (1996)
All the Pain Money Can Buy (1998)
The Harsh Light of Day (2000)

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[quote]Jack Urboady wrote:
Dustin wrote:
In My Time of Dying, eh?

That’s the shit right there Dustin. The DVD that performance is from is legendary. Bonzo’s drums on this track own me and my brethren.

[/quote]

That is from a 3 night show in May 1975 at Earl’s Court.

They reached their pinnacle in this concert, IMO.

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[quote]Dustin wrote:
TJN713 wrote:
Dustin wrote:
TJN713 wrote:
Dedicated wrote:
Dustin wrote:
Jack Urboady wrote:
Dustin wrote:
I was never a huge fan of Presence either. It’s a decent album, but compared to the previous 6 Zeppelin records it is disappointing.

I think it all went to shit after Physical Graffiti in all honesty mate. How could you keep that momentum going?

I’ve been listening to The Rain Song quite a lot recently. One of those tracks that takes you there.

The U.S tour after the release of Presence was a quite successful (up until Karac Plant died). But it was evident that eight years or so of touring, booze, drugs, and women was starting to take it’s toll on the band.

You’re right though. Six fantastic albums left the band only one way to go, which was down. They were a victim of their own success.

Dustin, what’d you think of In Through The Out Door? Always been one of my favorites.

D

And then there is this: http://www.listropolis.com/2008/06/led-zeppelin-innovators-or-plagiarists-audio-of-8-songs-proving-they-might-be-the-best-cover-band-of-all-time/

If you are familiar with the Blues genre, you will know that it is common for artists to take previous material and tweak and modify it to make it their own. Often, this would be done without giving credit to whomever wrote the original piece. Essentially every Blues musician after Robert Johnson has “ripped” him off. George Therogood, for example, uses as many cliched blues riffs as one could ever use. The opening riff Billy Gibbons plays on La Grange is an old and rather typical one. Eric Clapton is another blues musician that has put his “spin” on old blues songs as well. Crossroads, which is one of Robert Johnson’s most famous tracks, has been re-written/modified by numerous individuals including Clapton.

Now Willy Dixon did raise hell when Zeppelin borrowed You Shook Me and made it their own. Later, Zeppelin did give Dixon credit for it.

I could talk about this for hours…so what exactly is your point?

Point is Clapton, etc. gave song writing credits to the blues artists they “borrowed” from. Zeppelin did not, until being forced to do so through litigation. When does plagarism trump “inspiration?”

Please go back and read my post again. The Blues genre is filled with artists who take earlier material and modify it. And they sometimes do this without giving credit, which as I said already, is not uncommon.

If you are arguing Zeppelin should have given so and so credit for using lyrics, guitar riffs, etc, then that is fine. If you are saying that they spent their whole career plagarising other artists’ music and did nothing original, then you don’t know what you are talking about.[/quote]

I’m saying they should have given credit to the originators for the entire songs they “covered” and received royalties for. The fact that shared song writing credits suddenly appeared on the Greatest Hits collection shows that somebody got caught with their hands in the cookie jar.

I am not denying that Zeppelin was a talented and influential band. I’m also not a biased fanboy like you are, and can see that ripping off the artists who influenced them (in a financial sense) is pretty reprehensible. Also pretty sad that it took actual litigation to get them to see the light.

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[quote]TJN713 wrote:
Dustin wrote:
TJN713 wrote:
Dustin wrote:
TJN713 wrote:
Dedicated wrote:
Dustin wrote:
Jack Urboady wrote:
Dustin wrote:
I was never a huge fan of Presence either. It’s a decent album, but compared to the previous 6 Zeppelin records it is disappointing.

I think it all went to shit after Physical Graffiti in all honesty mate. How could you keep that momentum going?

I’ve been listening to The Rain Song quite a lot recently. One of those tracks that takes you there.

The U.S tour after the release of Presence was a quite successful (up until Karac Plant died). But it was evident that eight years or so of touring, booze, drugs, and women was starting to take it’s toll on the band.

You’re right though. Six fantastic albums left the band only one way to go, which was down. They were a victim of their own success.

Dustin, what’d you think of In Through The Out Door? Always been one of my favorites.

D

And then there is this: http://www.listropolis.com/2008/06/led-zeppelin-innovators-or-plagiarists-audio-of-8-songs-proving-they-might-be-the-best-cover-band-of-all-time/

If you are familiar with the Blues genre, you will know that it is common for artists to take previous material and tweak and modify it to make it their own. Often, this would be done without giving credit to whomever wrote the original piece. Essentially every Blues musician after Robert Johnson has “ripped” him off. George Therogood, for example, uses as many cliched blues riffs as one could ever use. The opening riff Billy Gibbons plays on La Grange is an old and rather typical one. Eric Clapton is another blues musician that has put his “spin” on old blues songs as well. Crossroads, which is one of Robert Johnson’s most famous tracks, has been re-written/modified by numerous individuals including Clapton.

Now Willy Dixon did raise hell when Zeppelin borrowed You Shook Me and made it their own. Later, Zeppelin did give Dixon credit for it.

I could talk about this for hours…so what exactly is your point?

Point is Clapton, etc. gave song writing credits to the blues artists they “borrowed” from. Zeppelin did not, until being forced to do so through litigation. When does plagarism trump “inspiration?”

Please go back and read my post again. The Blues genre is filled with artists who take earlier material and modify it. And they sometimes do this without giving credit, which as I said already, is not uncommon.

If you are arguing Zeppelin should have given so and so credit for using lyrics, guitar riffs, etc, then that is fine. If you are saying that they spent their whole career plagarising other artists’ music and did nothing original, then you don’t know what you are talking about.

I’m saying they should have given credit to the originators for the entire songs they “covered” and received royalties for. The fact that shared song writing credits suddenly appeared on the Greatest Hits collection shows that somebody got caught with their hands in the cookie jar.

I am not denying that Zeppelin was a talented and influential band. I’m also not a biased fanboy like you are, and can see that ripping off the artists who influenced them (in a financial sense) is pretty reprehensible. Also pretty sad that it took actual litigation to get them to see the light.[/quote]

The statement I made below, which I highlighted for you, again, is not my opinion, it’s a fact.

The Blues genre is filled with artists who take earlier material and modify it. And they sometimes do this without giving credit, which as I said already, is not uncommon.

If you doubt this, go find a Clapton or Double Z cd and listen to it. They don’t give credit to every single Blues song/songwriter that they borrow from.

Now, they should have given royalties to Dixon before he took any legal action. And, as I said previously, I don’t have a problem with people saying that.

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[quote]Sixx wrote:
Tool

  1. Undertow
  2. Anima
  3. Lateralus
    [/quote]

THIS.

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[quote]Skinless wrote:
deletedmemory wrote:
Pantera

Cowboys from Hell
Vulgar Display of Power
Far Beyond Driven

Slayer

Reign in Blood
South of Heaven
Seasons in the Abyss

Cryptopsy

Blasphemy Made Flesh
None So Vile
Whisper Supremecy

Opeth

Still Life
Blackwater Park
Deliverance

Hell yes to Cryptopsy.

Id have to say.

Dying Fetus
-Stop at nothing
-War of Attrition
-Descend into Depravity[/quote]

killing on adrenaline was my fave, but that new one is SIIIIICK.

Nile

black seeds of vengeance
in their darkened shrines
annihilation of the wicked

and my fave band ever
Soilent Green

Sewn Mouth Secrets
A Deleted Symphony for the Beaten Down
Confrontation
*Inevitable Collapse In The Presence Of Conviction, because they can do no wrong.

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Devourment

Molesting the Decapitated
Butcher the Weak
Enter The Carnivore