“NOTHING is as good as TestOnly when U consider benefits vs. sides vs. ability to retains gains.”
I would have to disagree with that…There is an optimal dose for almost every compound…test included, where the side effects start to outweigh the benefits…for test, I think that this occurs right around the 750mg-1000mg mark…
once you reach this point it will be necessary to add in other compounds to produce gains through other mechanisms…I.E. an AAS that more avidly binds to the AR…And retention of gains for testosterone only cycles really has more to do w/ your post cycle transition than the fact that test only was used DURING the cycle…
In actuality, there is a good chance that you will lose a decent amount of scale wt. post cycle d/t the bloat from test-even w/ an AI used during cycle edema will occur to some degree…Good luck w/ the cycle, I’m interested in how it turns out for you.
My whole point was that mg for mg nothing beats Test. Once u start approaching anthing over 1gram I don’t think it matters what your using U’ve reached the upper limits of drug induced hypertrophy. Altho the % of the hypertrophy which is attributable to drugs is HIGHLY individualized.
I’m not interested in Polypharmacy. Saying it another way > If I can’t get to the 240lbs+ at less than 10% bodyfat w/ the use of a synthetic version of natural hormone (Test) then it ain’t meant for me to get that big.
Every person has they’re own rationalizations for using juice and the amt of dependence they’ll place on it. I just am not willing to place THAT much reliance on an artifical, if not somewhat temporary, means of getting the gains I’m after.
Nothing comes close (at least for me) to Testosterone and its various esters and I’m not interested rite now in using anything else.
I’m not sure my answer would be of any value considering that this was in the begging month or so of a 20 week cycle. I ran the test at about 1 gram for a lil under a month and figured that I’d make better gains with less test, and less sides, if I just added some drol. So it’s kinda irrelevant. All I’m going to say is that, just like both Katz and I have been saying, I find stacking test and just about anything else to give better gains then just test alone OR just the other compound alone. Plus I use less of either the test/other compound.
I am now into my first week of prop/tren ace/masteron after my first 8 wks of 1g test 600mg EQ and I will definitely agree with you on the fact that that much test will make you tired… however, I did start taking niacin and i noticed a significant boost in overall energy levels and a significant drop in blood pressure…
Let us know when you start that 2g/wk cycle! That’s what I’m talking about…
All that drug use and ur not at the very least a national level amatuer? I’d have 18" arms, 50" chest, 32" waist and 31" thighs at 8% bf if I did THAT much. There is a price for that level of androgen use…eventually. Look at the old 80’s pros who used half that much today…they look like shit. Good luck.
I’m not starting a pissing contest here, but could you name some of those guys? BTW, imo if they dont’ lift anymore then it’s probably not fare to count them, no?
Bannout, Haney, Yates, Labrada…
Dude, u seriously think there are NO negative long term effects of prolonged exposure to 4grams a week? Jesus christ!!!
Fuck I forgot to add the poster child of long term effects of GH… Platz looks like a basketball on toothpick. I read in an article here on T-Nation where a former MAJOR so cal juice dealer in the 80’s said he sold a certain Blond bb 40K of GH. Anyone who can look at present day Platz and say “he ain’t got no side effects” is either blind or stupid.
[quote]TestOnly wrote:
Bannout, Haney, Yates, Labrada…
Dude, u seriously think there are NO negative long term effects of prolonged exposure to 4grams a week? Jesus christ!!![/quote]
I did 4g a week for awhile…the thing is, once you gain some small measure of notoriety for being a steroid author, you tend to get alot of freebies. It’s not a great idea to do that much gear, to be honest, for prolonged or even moderate time periods.
I totally agree w/ U. I’d really like to talk to Brock about his Gramabol someday. I just don’t think a 200% increase in dosage is gonna increase a subjects results 200%. Now I do wholeheartedly think an increase from 250mg to 1gr will make a HUGE difference…in some individuals.
Roberts u know ur shit and I’ll state for the record NOW I don’t know as much as U. If anyone contends they do just ask them “Where’s ur book”? I ain’t got one.
4g a week??? Test is cheap but DAMN, I still couldn’t afford that… I have to be honest… if people were just handing me jugs and jugs of test, I’d take em all… all at the same time…
I chatted it up with a guy at the gym who claims to be on 1g of test prop and 1g of tren ace/wk and I have noticied a significant change in his musculature…
There’s no way your body is meant to be able to take that much gear in that short of time frame…
For prolonged peroids of time? I won’t argue with that.
I am going to say that I really dont’ if any of those guys lift seriously anymore? I’ve seen pics of Yates and I don’t think he looks that terrible (alot smaller) but more human. As for Platz? I don’t know how he could have lost THAT much size if he didn’t stop lifting. I do get your point and I don’t entirely disagree. However, I think Bushido running 2 grams a week at the end of a cycle for a couple of weeks isn’t that nutty.
Btw, for some reason I didn’t think that Anthony Roberts was really Anthony Roberts. Just thought it was a screen name someone chose. Kinda like MikeKatz. WOW! Really cool to have you here, and I’m a big fan. Read alot of your work over the years.
I dont’ wanna jack this thread but I’ve got a question on ATD. If I start a post do you care/have the time to speak on it?
I spoke to Platz (email) and he says he squats 1x per mo. U gotta admit his noggin is pretty freakin large. 2grams is still a helluva lot. I’m gonna take a layoff and then try Gramabol.
Will be doing it again but this time…I’ll be taking a Oral like OT @ 50 a day.
And as far as the “All that drug use and ur not at the very least a national level amatuer? I’d have 18” arms, 50" chest, 32" waist and 31" thighs at 8% bf if I did THAT much. There is a price for that level of androgen use…eventually. Look at the old 80’s pros who used half that much today…they look like shit. Good luck." …
what the fuck does that have anything to do with the conversation? Pretty fuckin random. And BTW way I do have those measurments
