Gov't Imposed Salary Caps

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:
Not a Republican, but really your post, where you throw around the word “retarded” for others while stating the things you do, is just too much to let pass.

Are you actually unaware that when borrowing money, a borrower is not forced to pick a particular lender? Let alone forced to take the loan?

If he is paying for example 30%, it is because:

  1. He is voluntarily agreeing to pay it (or perhaps is so damn stupid that even though the APR is plainly listed he doesn’t have a clue that high interest involved, but if so that is his fault), and

  2. He has cheated others by borrowing from them and not repaying, and therefore has a truly crappy credit rating.

Somehow you analyze this as the person being “robbed” !

Do you know what “robbed” means?

You are aware that a further part of the reason he cannot obtain a loan, in this case, at less than 30% is because there is a competitive market of lenders each seeking to obtain business by offering the most attractive deal possible that they are still confident on, on average, making money?

You find something wrong with this?

You are aware that in fact very many credit card companies and divisions are losing money despite these high rates due to the deadbeats such as the one you’re so outraged “has” to pay 30% to get any credit at all? (“Has” being in quotes because no one is forcing him to take the loan.)

You are aware that banks are private companies?

You are aware that anyone who meets given requirements can start their own bank? There are such things as local banks started by local people.

You do know that larger banks are owned by shareholders, who either voluntarily choose to buy the stock as personal direct decision or do so as a result of voluntarily empowering another person to make the decision for them. These shareholders voluntarily choose to have the directors be the authority over the company, and (if choosing to have voting stock) vote on the directors.

Your idea that no one is “boss” of these companies (or has the right to be, except Obama of course, not exactly sure just what your attempted point was) is just beyond belief.

Really, where do you get off calling others “retarded”? If nothing else surely that is not constructive commentary?

I am sorry the word RETARTED offended you Mr. Roberts. I do not know what else to call it when some one does not act in their own best interest[/quote]

Not offended: it is a matter of how such things can be posted as you wrote while saying that of others.

Wow!!!

Where do you get this?

Either that this formula exists for what profit should be, or an idea that banks make a profit ANYTHING LIKE 50% of what their deposits are?

You do realize that large banks have hundreds of billions of dollars in deposits, maybe more, but do not have profits anything like 50% of those figures?

Where do you get this “supposed to” from?

Someone is supposed to, by force, make this happen, instead of voluntary transactions?

Really where do you get your stuff.

So the situation of bank and its customers, engaging voluntarily in transactions according to terms agree to by all – except of course those customers that default – constitutes “robbery” according to you. The profits are not rightfully theirs, according to you, regardless of all interactions being voluntarily agreed to.

Not correct.

So you mean if someone is such a bad customer – such a high risk due to having defaulted on other loans – it should be a crime for anyone to lend him money? Regardless that both he and the lender would like to do so?

Or do you mean that lenders should be forced at the point of a gun to lend him money cheaper despite not wanting to do so due to the high risk that he’ll default again, and it’s just not worth the risk for a lesser percentage than that.

Yes, you could.

And publically-traded is not the same as publicly owned. In many, probably most cases, publicly-traded companies are held by private individuals, whether directly or via for example funds that they have have chosen to purchase, not by any public entity. They are not owned by the public. If you have no ponied up your own money you have no say.

It really is not your business. You seem to think the bank is “public” and therefore your business, but if it is doing for its customers as agreed and everything is consensual and voluntary, you have no legit beef.

Other than the fact you have ideas of what others ought to be allowed to make, pulled out of your head.

No, it’s the irony. Not that your post is “retarded,” but so exceedingly misinformed, yet you label those who disagree with you so quickly and heavy-handedly.

[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:
Not a Republican, but really your post, where you throw around the word “retarded” for others while stating the things you do, is just too much to let pass.

Are you actually unaware that when borrowing money, a borrower is not forced to pick a particular lender? Let alone forced to take the loan?

If he is paying for example 30%, it is because:

  1. He is voluntarily agreeing to pay it (or perhaps is so damn stupid that even though the APR is plainly listed he doesn’t have a clue that high interest involved, but if so that is his fault), and

  2. He has cheated others by borrowing from them and not repaying, and therefore has a truly crappy credit rating.

Somehow you analyze this as the person being “robbed” !

Do you know what “robbed” means?

You are aware that a further part of the reason he cannot obtain a loan, in this case, at less than 30% is because there is a competitive market of lenders each seeking to obtain business by offering the most attractive deal possible that they are still confident on, on average, making money?

You find something wrong with this?

You are aware that in fact very many credit card companies and divisions are losing money despite these high rates due to the deadbeats such as the one you’re so outraged “has” to pay 30% to get any credit at all? (“Has” being in quotes because no one is forcing him to take the loan.)

You are aware that banks are private companies?

You are aware that anyone who meets given requirements can start their own bank? There are such things as local banks started by local people.

You do know that larger banks are owned by shareholders, who either voluntarily choose to buy the stock as personal direct decision or do so as a result of voluntarily empowering another person to make the decision for them. These shareholders voluntarily choose to have the directors be the authority over the company, and (if choosing to have voting stock) vote on the directors.

Your idea that no one is “boss” of these companies (or has the right to be, except Obama of course, not exactly sure just what your attempted point was) is just beyond belief.

Really, where do you get off calling others “retarded”? If nothing else surely that is not constructive commentary?

I am sorry the word RETARTED offended you Mr. Roberts. I do not know what else to call it when some one does not act in their own best interest

Not offended: it is a matter of how such things can be posted as you wrote while saying that of others.

I hope you are not thinking I am complaining that the banks are fucking (hope that does not offend you) the people, which they are and that is not even my point. My point is we allow them to lend $10 for every $1 deposit they only have to pay the original depositor %5 even if they could charge no more than %5 interest on the money they loan. There profit before overhead should be %50 of the original deposit

Wow!!!

Where do you get this?

Either that this formula exists for what profit should be, or an idea that banks make a profit ANYTHING LIKE 50% of what their deposits are?

You do realize that large banks have hundreds of billions of dollars in deposits, maybe more, but do not have profits anything like 50% of those figures?

All the bank is supposed to do is take deposits lend the money make a profit split with the depositor and everybody made money and every body is happy�??�?�¢??

Where do you get this “supposed to” from?

Someone is supposed to, by force, make this happen, instead of voluntary transactions?

Really where do you get your stuff.

Robbing in my own words is taking what is not rightfully yours

So the situation of bank and its customers, engaging voluntarily in transactions according to terms agree to by all – except of course those customers that default – constitutes “robbery” according to you. The profits are not rightfully theirs, according to you, regardless of all interactions being voluntarily agreed to.

I am pretty sure you work for T.C.,

Not correct.

I will not argue about a 30 percent loan, it should be a crime,

So you mean if someone is such a bad customer – such a high risk due to having defaulted on other loans – it should be a crime for anyone to lend him money? Regardless that both he and the lender would like to do so?

Or do you mean that lenders should be forced at the point of a gun to lend him money cheaper despite not wanting to do so due to the high risk that he’ll default again, and it’s just not worth the risk for a lesser percentage than that.

I personally do not know of one bank that is not a public corp.I could be wrong though.

Yes, you could.

And publically-traded is not the same as publicly owned. In many, probably most cases, publicly-traded companies are held by private individuals, whether directly or via for example funds that they have have chosen to purchase, not by any public entity. They are not owned by the public. If you have no ponied up your own money you have no say.

It really is not your business. You seem to think the bank is “public” and therefore your business, but if it is doing for its customers as agreed and everything is consensual and voluntary, you have no legit beef.

Other than the fact you have ideas of what others ought to be allowed to make, pulled out of your head.

Again I apologize if the word retarded offended you, if I know you are reading certain thread I will not use it, but personally I think you should develop a little thicker skin.

No, it’s the irony. Not that your post is “retarded,” but so exceedingly misinformed, yet you label those who disagree with you so quickly and heavy-handedly.
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That is not the best reference I have seen , but I do not keep references . I think you and I need to simplify our conversation .

I am glad calling Republicans retarded did not offend you because I can continue doing so. As far as it being heavy handed, what planet do you live on? That is tame for the posts around here. I did not say Joe Smoe is a retard.

Lets take one subject for each post , it could be my reading ability , but your reponse to be a little all over the place.

[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:

You are aware that banks are private companies?

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I am by no means a person who knows all, maybe we need some clarification from some one that does. I was under the assumption that if corp. were traded publicly even though some one may own a controlling interest. It is still a public corp. I doubt very much ay body owns controlling interest in any of these major financial corps.

[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:

Or do you mean that lenders should be forced at the point of a gun to lend him money cheaper despite not wanting to do so due to the high risk that he’ll default again, and it’s just not worth the risk for a lesser percentage than that.

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How did you get this out of what I said ? Please explain

[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:

So you mean if someone is such a bad customer – such a high risk due to having defaulted on other loans – it should be a crime for anyone to lend him money? Regardless that both he and the lender would like to do so?


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Yes if some one is such a poor credit risk, you should not lend him money. You should not drive him deeper in debt because he is not smart enough to take care of himself. This is where the crime lays

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:

So you mean if someone is such a bad customer – such a high risk due to having defaulted on other loans – it should be a crime for anyone to lend him money? Regardless that both he and the lender would like to do so?

Yes if some one is such a poor credit risk, you should not lend him money. You should not drive him deeper in debt because he is not smart enough to take care of himself. This is where the crime lays

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You are right, we shouldn’t let idiots make their own decisions.

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:

You are aware that banks are private companies?

I am by no means a person who knows all, maybe we need some clarification from some one that does. I was under the assumption that if corp. were traded publicly even though some one may own a controlling interest. It is still a public corp. I doubt very much ay body owns controlling interest in any of these major financial corps.[/quote]

I think you are confusing publically owned in the available to the public sense of the word with publically owned in the socialist sense of the word. A publically traded company does not give vested interest to the public as a whole. Vested interest still remains in the hands of private individuals, limited to persons who own shares.

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:

You are aware that banks are private companies?

I am by no means a person who knows all, maybe we need some clarification from some one that does. I was under the assumption that if corp. were traded publicly even though some one may own a controlling interest. It is still a public corp. I doubt very much ay body owns controlling interest in any of these major financial corps.

I think you are confusing publically owned in the available to the public sense of the word with publically owned in the socialist sense of the word. A publically traded company does not give vested interest to the public as a whole. Vested interest still remains in the hands of private individuals, limited to persons who own shares.
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I thought there was a private company, like what I own and there were public companies like that are traded. You know IPO initial public offering. You may have it right, I have always heard public Corp. or private

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:

So you mean if someone is such a bad customer – such a high risk due to having defaulted on other loans – it should be a crime for anyone to lend him money? Regardless that both he and the lender would like to do so?

Yes if some one is such a poor credit risk, you should not lend him money. You should not drive him deeper in debt because he is not smart enough to take care of himself. This is where the crime lays

You are right, we shouldn’t let idiots make their own decisions.[/quote]

People that are credit risks will want to barrow money period, but banks charging hundreds percent loans to people that can not get credit else where should have no recourse on collection. I would liken it to having a child that tricks another child out of his lunch money. I would have gotten in trouble, but I guess when you are an adult it is OK

Wait a sec, you were calling 30% for a credit card “robbery.”

So you are saying that because someone, say a single mom with a job, has previously defaulted on loans but she and a bank are considering her having a new card with a $500 limit at such a rate – because of her risk – and her plans are that she is going to pay the balance every month and mostly wants the card for emergencies where if she can’t pay with what she has on hand, like unexpectedly needing to getting her car fixed, she’ll lose her job or something like that – YOU say that she can’t have it, it’s a crime?

Or that we should have the government decide this?

I really don’t want you deciding these things, or the government. I also really don’t know where you get off in thinking it is properly your decision, or anyone’s decision but THOSE INVOLVED IN IT.

Why do you think you and others outside the transaction should have the say in it, whether directly or via the government offical you elect dictating what they should be allowed to do? Why?

I’d rather she decide whether she wants those terms or not, and there be a multitude of banks available each deciding what’s the best offer they want to put forward to try to get her business, that seems worth the risk to them.

[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
Wait a sec, you were calling 30% for a credit card “robbery.”

So you are saying that because someone, say a single mom with a job, has previously defaulted on loans but she and a bank are considering her having a new card with a $500 limit at such a rate – because of her risk – and her plans are that she is going to pay the balance every month and mostly wants the card for emergencies where if she can’t pay with what she has on hand, like unexpectedly needing to getting her car fixed, she’ll lose her job or something like that – YOU say that she can’t have it, it’s a crime?

Or that we should have the government decide this?

I really don’t want you deciding these things, or the government. I also really don’t know where you get off in thinking it is properly your decision, or anyone’s decision but THOSE INVOLVED IN IT.

Why do you think you and others outside the transaction should have the say in it, whether directly or via the government offical you elect dictating what they should be allowed to do? Why?

I’d rather she decide whether she wants those terms or not, and there be a multitude of banks available each deciding what’s the best offer they want to put forward to try to get her business, that seems worth the risk to them.[/quote]

Now you got it, if you are credit worthy and can do it and comply with certain standards then lend the money, if you think that single mother is not credit worthy by all means do not lend her the money. But what ever you do not steal the girls money

The government would not decide if she gets the loan the Government would make sure that the loan was fair.

I think some one has to make sure the bullies do not steal the retarded kidâ??s lunch money

The girl has a history of making bad choices, if you think her new job is a keeper and that will enable her to pay her loan , by all means lend her the money , but do not put a strangle hold on all her future income

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:
Wait a sec, you were calling 30% for a credit card “robbery.”

So you are saying that because someone, say a single mom with a job, has previously defaulted on loans but she and a bank are considering her having a new card with a $500 limit at such a rate – because of her risk – and her plans are that she is going to pay the balance every month and mostly wants the card for emergencies where if she can’t pay with what she has on hand, like unexpectedly needing to getting her car fixed, she’ll lose her job or something like that – YOU say that she can’t have it, it’s a crime?

Or that we should have the government decide this?

I really don’t want you deciding these things, or the government. I also really don’t know where you get off in thinking it is properly your decision, or anyone’s decision but THOSE INVOLVED IN IT.

Why do you think you and others outside the transaction should have the say in it, whether directly or via the government offical you elect dictating what they should be allowed to do? Why?

I’d rather she decide whether she wants those terms or not, and there be a multitude of banks available each deciding what’s the best offer they want to put forward to try to get her business, that seems worth the risk to them.

Now you got it, if you are credit worthy and can do it and comply with certain standards then lend the money, if you think that single mother is not credit worthy by all means do not lend her the money. But what ever you do not steal the girls money

The government would not decide if she gets the loan the Government would make sure that the loan was fair.

I think some one has to make sure the bullies do not steal the retarded kidâ??s lunch money

The girl has a history of making bad choices, if you think her new job is a keeper and that will enable her to pay her loan , by all means lend her the money , but do not put a strangle hold on all her future income
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That is a cop-out.

You want the government to say who is responsible and should get a credit card and who should not- that is what it comes down to.

You have two posts now where you try to have it both ways, conveniently ignoring that if she does not pay interest rates that somehow relate to the credit risk she poses, someone else has to pick up the tab or she won´t get a CC at all.

I am also fed up with this socialist reasoning, inventing fake “crimes” to justify real ones.

A credit card company making an offer technically cannot “steal”.

You, wanting to send jackbooted thugs to enforce your nanny state ideas, now that comes much closer to robbery if it leads to a form of redistribution.

[quote]PB-Crawl wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Since the people who earn those salaries either were lucky to inherit intelligence or money, they didn’t really earn those salaries. They were just lucky. So, since it was just a matter of luck, they have to understand that they can’t keep all the good things in life. They have to share, even if they don’t want to! We the People have a big club full of thugs (IRS agents) and we will force those lucky greedy thieves to be moral and surrender their money!

i swear i didnt make any noise over your bridge when i crossed it.[/quote]

This idea of luck is actually the basis for Progressivism, as later espoused by Willard V. Quine, Professor of Philosophy, at Harvard. It is the moral foundation for liberalism today — that the productive and/or rich got that way by pure chance, and are therefore undeserving of keeping their subsequent wealth.

[quote]orion wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:
Wait a sec, you were calling 30% for a credit card “robbery.”

So you are saying that because someone, say a single mom with a job, has previously defaulted on loans but she and a bank are considering her having a new card with a $500 limit at such a rate – because of her risk – and her plans are that she is going to pay the balance every month and mostly wants the card for emergencies where if she can’t pay with what she has on hand, like unexpectedly needing to getting her car fixed, she’ll lose her job or something like that – YOU say that she can’t have it, it’s a crime?

Or that we should have the government decide this?

I really don’t want you deciding these things, or the government. I also really don’t know where you get off in thinking it is properly your decision, or anyone’s decision but THOSE INVOLVED IN IT.

Why do you think you and others outside the transaction should have the say in it, whether directly or via the government offical you elect dictating what they should be allowed to do? Why?

I’d rather she decide whether she wants those terms or not, and there be a multitude of banks available each deciding what’s the best offer they want to put forward to try to get her business, that seems worth the risk to them.

Now you got it, if you are credit worthy and can do it and comply with certain standards then lend the money, if you think that single mother is not credit worthy by all means do not lend her the money. But what ever you do not steal the girls money

The government would not decide if she gets the loan the Government would make sure that the loan was fair.

I think some one has to make sure the bullies do not steal the retarded kid�¢??s lunch money

The girl has a history of making bad choices, if you think her new job is a keeper and that will enable her to pay her loan , by all means lend her the money , but do not put a strangle hold on all her future income

That is a cop-out.

You want the government to say who is responsible and should get a credit card and who should not- that is what it comes down to.

You have two posts now where you try to have it both ways, conveniently ignoring that if she does not pay interest rates that somehow relate to the credit risk she poses, someone else has to pick up the tab or she won�´t get a CC at all.

I am also fed up with this socialist reasoning, inventing fake “crimes” to justify real ones.

A credit card company making an offer technically cannot “steal”.

You, wanting to send jackbooted thugs to enforce your nanny state ideas, now that comes much closer to robbery if it leads to a form of redistribution.
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I do not want the government to say who is responsible, I want the government to cap the interest that a bank can charge, and it is the banks choice whether they can make a profit

You will have to be more specific where, I want it both ways

What fake crime are you speaking of?

I equate the outrageous interest rates that some companies charge as, stealing the lunch money of someone that may be a lesser person than you. Right now it is not a crime, but I know AZ is working to ban those payday loans, which most are owed by banks.

I do not want to send any body to do anything