Sloth, if you have not noticed by now ALL politicians are liars. It is the degree of the lie that you seem to be protesting. None of that bothers me when I think of four years of Hillary Clinton. And quite honestly if there was a good middle of the road democrat running I would vote for him or her against Trump. But right now there is too much at stake to throw my vote away and let Hillary Clinton occupy the White House.
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Obamacare was passed by Congress and signed into law. Republicans didn’t have the numbers to stop it. There’s no basis for withholding funding on ordinary legislation that you failed to stop through the legislative process. And what a terrible precedent to set - the party in the minority has a bunch of legislation passed over its objections, but once back in the majority after a successful round of elections, they go refuse to fund (or fully fund) that legislation as a way of defeating it retroactively? Absurd.
No one wants that version of governance from either party.
Should dovish Democrats unilaterally defund military expenditures duly passed in an appropriations bill that was originally passed over their objection? Of course not.
Conservatives need to stop looking for radical non-solutions and just hunker down and do the hard work of putting up good candidates to win national elections. They can start in 2020, I guess.
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Well said. Hopefully Clinton will be one and done…
Do you propose they shut down the government everytime they don’t have the votes to get something done? The power of the purse argument didn’t work last time when Cruz lead the shutdown. How would it of worked this time? Obama wasn’t going to sign something he didn’t want to… shutting down the government was only going to make Congress look even worse.
TB said it better than me. I’m not sure what you mean by cave, what was congress supposed to do about executive amnesty? Or Obamacare? No Republican voted for Obamacare, it had the votes to pass and it did.
Not Hillary or Trump. I can’t decide who I think would be worse, but rest assured neither will get my vote.
You ignore my previous post on the USSC, but I guess you also still think Trump has a chance. Replacing Scalia with a conservative is a lost cause. We need to take Merrick Garland now. Obama could have chosen much, much worse. I have faith that Anthony Kennedy, health permitting, will postpone his retirement until a republican is back in office.
Ruth Bader Ginsburg is an idiot. A year ago this was the GOP’s election to lose, and lose they have done in miraculous fashion. RBG should have retired a year ago while Obama could nominate another liberal judge. She will now likely retire under Hillary, but it’s still a wash as far as the balance of the court goes.
Pray for good health for Kennedy, Alito, Thomas, and Roberts. Hopefully Breyer will hold on for four years and the balance can tip back to a constitutional representation in 2020.
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Eventually Obamacare will shut the government down on its own. You guys act like this law is just a park ordinance or something.
Not fund it? This was an executive order not a law passed by congress. Since according to you and TB the test for withholding funding is whether congress voted legislation into law, it wouldn’t hold up for executive actions.
Good for you then by omission you have helped the winner!
See you just can’t avoid that.
You are throwing in the towel unless of course you are anti gun. I have no idea of your position on that issue but Garland will most certainly attack gun rights take a peak at his record.
“If we must have an enemy at the head of Government, let it be one whom we can oppose, and for whom we are not responsible, who will not involve our party in the disgrace of his foolish and bad measures.” - Alexander Hamilton
Sloth has adequately refuted your argument here already. I won’t be a part to the legitimacy of either candidate. When Trump loses by 20 million in the popular vote and 200 in electoral votes, don’t blame those that said all along they would not support a pathologically lying conman, blame the people that supported him as a legitimate candidate.
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So will Trump. Take a peak at his record. Or were those “suggestions” too?
tedro,
I think your issue is the same as same others around here. You hate Trump therefore you do not see how anyone could ever elect him to the Presidency. And I fully understand how you and the others can hate Trump there is a lot to hate. But you must not deny the facts. He did receive more votes in the primary than any other republican candidate in history. and that was with many other candidates running against him. He is also currently doing well with independents and blue collar democrats. Trump is also slightly ahead in PA, when is the last time a republican won PA? Trump also could win the coal mining states his numbers look pretty fair.
Don’t let any of this persuade you into thinking I am pro Trump. I will say probably for the 20th time I don’t like the man but I cannot imagine Hillary Clinton choosing the next 2 or 3 Justices not to mention the many other lower court Justices that she will appoint. If she wins America loses for generations and maybe forever.
You are throwing in the towel as if Trump has lost and I must disagree with you. No need to debate this point any longer as we only have four months to see who is correct. If I am correct and Trump keeps his word he will almost immediately appoint a conservative to the Supreme Court. If I’m wrong you and the others will get your wish and Hillary will become President. Isn’t that the game? She further wrecks the country for four years and then we get a “real” republican? I guess if Obama didn’t wreck the country and almost the entire world we might have four more years to invest but we don’t! And Hillary will absolutely appoint at least one or two Judges before her four years are up I assure you, you won’t like them…
I am looking at the list of 11 Judges that Trump floated. Did you see the list? If so you are thinking that he won’t follow through with one of them. And you might be right. But, we KNOW Hillary will appoint left wing wacko’s. So…I will take a chance with someone who at least is saying he will appoint conservatives. It’s about odds.
I get it you hate Trump more than Hillary. You are entitled to your own opinion and I don’t have a problem with that. But don’t blame me when you see her appoint left wing judges to the high and lower courts. And also cast upon this country yet one more left wing agenda. But…I don’t think she will be getting that opportunity.
As for Trump losing by 20 million votes I tried to hold back the laughter but I didn’t succeed.
But Let’s not go down that road as I said we only have 4 months to find out.
Sorry, for second I didn’t know which of the two candidates you were referring to.
If we entertain the fantasy that Trump has a shot, herein lies the issue. When has he ever kept his word? When he said he would quit attacking Republicans? He attacked Kasich again two days ago. When he said he was self-funding? When he said he would turn his loan into a contribution? It takes on form and still hasn’t been completed. How about when he said he was holding a fundraiser for Veterans in Iowa? He didn’t donate a dime until the WaPo forced his hand. Tax returns? Yeah…
That’s certainly not my wish, but I do believe we will be better off with control of congress and a party united against Hillary for four years than we will be defending Trump for four years and losing landslide elections in 2018 and 2020.
This is the part you miss. Yes, with Hillary we certainly won’t see this country turn around, but it buys us time to put forth the candidate we need while keeping control of Congress. With Trump, you lose everything over the next 2-4 years.
I’m not debating whether I would like Hillary’s USSC nomination. The point is we have a chance right now to limit her nominations to one, in which case we will simply be swapping one liberal judge for another. It’s time to fold while we still have chips on the table.
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You make some decent points in your prior posts. However, I must vote my principles. That is what Hamilton is speaking about. Principles are not principles if you do away with them for convenience sake, and in a purely utilitarian and non-principled vote his quotation will not ring true. I will vote my principles because I am a man of principle however flawed, and I will not support either of these two candidates. Pragmatic tactical political math has nothing to do with it.
We’re going in circles now, so let me ask you some different questions.
If Trump were to win, and subsequently lost his Trump U case, would you view that as disqualifying and support his impeachment - despite the vote of the people?
Second question, as I view this as every bit as likely as Trump winning, if Gary Johnson were to win New Mexico and no one earned 270 electoral votes, would you support the house voting to elect Johnson?
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Thoroughly agree with this part of the “math”.
Yes…he is indeed a politician…err I mean liar. Thank God the country has a great alternative like Hillary to turn to. Ha ha…(shaking my head) Yes Trump is a liar and many other things as well. But Hillary is a world class felon who also happens to be a left wing kook.
What a horrible choice my friend. But I’ve made my choice and will go with the lesser of two evils.
(See we are now repeating ourselves time to let it go I think)