[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Nobody was arguing in favor of the unions.
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No but the hypocrisy is abundant int he cartoon. You can make the same one v dems for Unions and Corporations…Fuck face.
[quote]Rockscar wrote:
Bringing in profession was not cool. Stay short and stocky my friend. May your forklift hit many pounds of money!
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hahahah yea really… one day, eh?
[quote]Rockscar wrote:
No but the hypocrisy is abundant int he cartoon. You can make the same one v dems for Unions and Corporations…Fuck face. [/quote]
I disagree. Unions have been waning for many years. It’s not like its 1934 and the AFL-CIO is running shit anymore.
While they may get a boost from Democrats I don’t see it being anywhere near the level of corporate welfare given out by Republicans… hell, the defense department alone is a solid example of this…
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
Point being, you seem to be arguing from an idealogical standpoint. Mine is from a rubber meets road position. Unfortunately, the tire tracks across my back were left by democratic vehicles for social change. HaaaHaha The Irony.
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Nobody was arguing in favor of the unions.
Neither is the cartoon. So I’m sorry you picked a shitty profession and the unions fucked you. Join the damn club. Stil has no bearing on what I’m talking about right here- the cartoon had nothing to do with the unions, which I am no fan of either.
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Missed that part about democratic vehicle for social change and the irony?
Understandable. It was a bit of a rambling post.
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Like I said. Unions have long since had their day and have been weakening continually since then.
Democrats have not used the unions as a “Vehicle of social change” for some time now.
Ohhhh I get it. its a black guy serving 3 white guys.
Got it.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
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Like I said. Unions have long since had their day and have been weakening continually since then.
Democrats have not used the unions as a “Vehicle of social change” for some time now.[/quote]
No, but they prevent it for them.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
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Like I said. Unions have long since had their day and have been weakening continually since then.
Democrats have not used the unions as a “Vehicle of social change” for some time now.[/quote]
Weak, weak, oh so weak.
Are you trying to kid yourself or everybody else into believing that dems don’t tap into organized labor, para professional and professional unions as a source of support and return the favor by manipulating policy, taxation and discretionary spending for their benefit?
I guess we can throw democratic party politics of the 20th and the first decade of this century out the window then, cuz you said so, huh?
Hard for me to believe that a freelance writer who supports himself on a product entirely of his own creation would support a party that doesn’t mind taking as much money as they possibly can out of your quarterlys, with essentially no benefit what so ever if or when you need it.
You must be suffering from Stockholm syndrome.
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
This notion that Democrats are rootin’, tootin’ populists “for the people” against the Big Bully is a joke and has been for years.[/quote]
Wow. I agree with you.
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
And this is my problem, Bolt…
People wishing to put admirable qualities on one party over the other…one is more “for” the people than the other…one spends more than the other…and one is “more in the pocket” of Big Buisness than the other…
This election saw spending in the BILLLIONS…and it was a midterm! I will guarantee you that NO candidate was turning down money from anyone…whether they were a DEM…a Republican…or a TeaRepublican…
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Always enjoy your posts Mufasa.
They really cut through the shit.
Wait, so the tax cuts that were in effect since 2003 didn’t help the business climate any? The marginal rates that have dropped considerably since Ike was president haven’t helped any? The thing that no one here will be able to answer is how does lowering taxes keep jobs in America as it will always be cheaper and thus more profitable to ship them overseas?
The super wealthy don’t need to fight for their “rights” when they have working class suckers doing it for them. Let me ask this: how many billionaires are collecting unemployment?
FI-
Really?
I’m disappointed that you still see ‘corporatism’ as a Republican stereotype. If you don’t see that “O” is a corporate entity with ties/interests then you’re really not paying attention.
Do you really think Democrats aren’t tied to corporate interests?
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
http://www.politicalcartoons.com/cartoon/7a90995e-9054-4086-82bb-78cba4d473b3.html[/quote]
Uh funny thing is that before the election, Republicans were redneck racist homophobic beer-swilling poorly-edumacated trailer park trash. All those self-help books I keep reading are right - what a difference a day makes! :o)
Mostly they won because a lot of disaffected Democrats voted for them. The question ought to be why was there so much disaffection? Mostly because of the perception that the Dems won control of 2/3 of the government then treated it like a spoils system.
I also find such cartoons to be strongly anti-democratic, in that they simply refuse the notion that the voters actually thought about the issues and made a decision.* Remember the hue and cry a few years back when CNN pundits wondered whether Black women would vote for Obama (since he’s Black) or Palin (since she’s a woman)? The pundits assumed all the voters were racists or sexists (which they meant that in the nicest possible way, of course) and the women they interviewed really chewed them a new one for it – as they should have.
– jj
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Modern political/social commentary has been stupefied to the point that the other side is assumed to be evil, stupid or has psychiatric issues. This cartoon falls squarely in the “they’re evil” category. My rule of thumb is that whenever I get a criticism that hits one of these hot buttons, I treat it like an exceptional claim and reject it without exceptional evidence.
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Wait, so the tax cuts that were in effect since 2003 didn’t help the business climate any? The marginal rates that have dropped considerably since Ike was president haven’t helped any? The thing that no one here will be able to answer is how does lowering taxes keep jobs in America as it will always be cheaper and thus more profitable to ship them overseas?
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Since your whole premise is wrong I suspect that indeed, noone will be able to answer this.
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
Delightful cartoon. It’d have been just as relevant if it was dated 2008. If Irish had any sense, he’d go see who the Big Banks, Wall Street and Big Health donated to in the 2008 election cycle. Hell, at one point, I thought the Democratic Party was going to change its official name to Goldman Sachs.
This notion that Democrats are rootin’, tootin’ populists “for the people” against the Big Bully is a joke and has been for years.[/quote]
Pretty much this. Corporations probably do belong in the cartoon though, and not just big multinational corporations - that would include folks from individuals on 1099 who have to pay higher taxes and are hit with higher health insurance bills to small/medium size businesses as well.
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[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Wait, so the tax cuts that were in effect since 2003 didn’t help the business climate any? The marginal rates that have dropped considerably since Ike was president haven’t helped any? The thing that no one here will be able to answer is how does lowering taxes keep jobs in America as it will always be cheaper and thus more profitable to ship them overseas?
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Since your whole premise is wrong I suspect that indeed, noone will be able to answer this.
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No premise; just questions.
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Wait, so the tax cuts that were in effect since 2003 didn’t help the business climate any? The marginal rates that have dropped considerably since Ike was president haven’t helped any? The thing that no one here will be able to answer is how does lowering taxes keep jobs in America as it will always be cheaper and thus more profitable to ship them overseas?
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Since your whole premise is wrong I suspect that indeed, noone will be able to answer this.
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No premise; just questions. [/quote]
Really?
What about the assumption that an American worker could never compete with a Chinese one because he "will always be cheaper and thus more profitable " for a company?
The irony of the original post is that many “evil” corporations prefer democrats. Generally speaking regulation puts smaller corporations at a disadvantage.
Lets say they pass a law that says aluminum cans need a do-hickey added to them to make them safer. Well, to add this do-hickey, all bottling companies have to buy a new machine. All the companies will be forced to raise their prices, BUT the larger companies average out that cost over a larger quantity of product. For coke, that new machine may add 2 cents a can, but for RC cola itâ??s 5 cents a can. And also Andy down the street who was about to launch “Andyâ??s bottling plant” no longer has the capital required to enter the market.
New regulations are an advantage for many large companies. Many big evil corporations prefer democrat policy.
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The irony of the original post is that many “evil” corporations prefer democrats. Generally speaking regulation puts smaller corporations at a disadvantage.[/quote]
This. A thousand times, this. Big Government, or Big Regulation more specifically, is a boon to Big Business - it acts as protectionism and as a barrier to entry, becaue only Big Business can afford to comply with the heavy mandates. As such, Big Business is not a natural enemy of Big Regulation because it helps perpetuate any monopolistic power they enjoy. Hell, there industry related bills and regs are quarterbacked into law by Big Business.
Left-liberals have never gotten this through their head. You want to help the Little Guy? Clear the path, level of the playing field by canning the layers and layers of useless regulations that hamper (and shut down) small businesses. The Democratic Party used to understand this - no longer.
But!But!But! Aren’t small businesses the democratic parties baby?
Ed Rendel said “Small businesses are Americas greatest untapped resource.”.
J/K. When he said resource, I’m pretty sure he meant “source of tax revenues”.